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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 18:04:29 GMT
That argument does work both ways.
Also I find it a bit hypocritical some of the things being posted on this thread when Glenn close was happily mocked,even jokes about her dying at one stage on the sunset thread. But I guess i shouldn't be surprised, ageism has always been alive and well on here
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Post by infofreako on May 21, 2016 18:32:04 GMT
That argument does work both ways. Also I find it a bit hypocritical some of the things being posted on this thread when Glenn close was happily mocked,even jokes about her dying at one stage on the sunset thread. But I guess i shouldn't be surprised, ageism has always been alive and well on here Really. I've not noticed it
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 18:54:11 GMT
Why don't we stop policing what others post about and instead just scroll past what we don't want to talk/read about?
No-one is using her situation as entertainment but it is affecting the production of Funny Girl and therefore is being discussed in this thread about the production. It would be bizarre if we'd just ignored it and pretended it isn't happening.
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Post by theatrenut on May 21, 2016 19:16:35 GMT
Why don't we stop policing what others post about and instead just scroll past what we don't want to talk/read about? No-one is using her situation as entertainment but it is affecting the production of Funny Girl and therefore is being discussed in this thread about the production. It would be bizarre if we'd just ignored it and pretended it isn't happening. Some people quite clearly ARE finding this situation entertaining - just read back through this very thread. Some are quite clearly scrolling through Twitter to find reasons to pass judgement on Sheridan Smith. And quite frankly some people's interest seems to be less about the fate of this current production and more about passing judgement on the character flaws of its leading lady. I'm happy that there is some discussion about the actual production on here (and I'm guilty of not yet having shared my thoughts) but this thread has primarily been about Sheridan Smith lately and I have strong opinions about some of the character assassination I've seen on various platforms. So thank you very much, but I'm joining in with my views on what others want to talk/read about rather than scrolling past or policing them (I'm a newbie, not a Moderator).
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 19:32:02 GMT
Still, people can post about whatever they want. I don't agree with a lot of posts in here but I don't tell those people that they're wrong for posting them.
I disagree, I don't think anyone is using it for entertainment. It's not clear at all. You don't need to scroll through Twitter. If she posts something and you follow her, it will come up on your Twitter homepage.
The thread has primarily been about Sheridan Smith lately because that has been what the main bit of news surrounding the show has been about. Simple.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 19:38:31 GMT
Actually, people can't post anything they want as there are laws that govern what can be said/posted.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 19:39:53 GMT
Well I'm obviously not talking about anything that would fall under the bracket of needing to be removed.
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Post by theatrenut on May 21, 2016 19:54:56 GMT
I never said people can't or shouldn't post about whatever they want; just that I find some of it disturbing (/distasteful). I'm simply disagreeing with some of what I've read.
You would have to scroll through Twitter to find old posts, re-tweets, who's been blocked, who-follows-who etc. but again I'm not stopping anyone doing so, just suggesting that they should follow their own advice if they say Sheridan Smith should take a break from it.
The main point is trying to make is that someone's real life personal tragedy is being diminished/dismissed and used as a stick to beat her with.
It's not only happening on this thread but I find this general lack of empathy very disheartening.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 20:03:40 GMT
People suggested Sheridan take a break from Twitter as reading comments on there were obviously making her upset/angry and causing her to lash out. As far as I'm aware, Twitter isn't affecting any users on here in the same way so there's no need for them to take a break. They're just making simple comments on things they've seen and saying while it doesn't have to mean something, it could. It's just a way of adding to discussion.
I can't speak for others who have been critical of Sheridan on here but I am absolutely empathetic towards her situation. I am glad she has taken time off the show (AND Twitter) and hope that she can come back better than ever and put all this behind her. However, to me, there is no doubt that the way she has acted at times has been unacceptable. We all go through hard times, but there are still expectations of us. If Sheridan couldn't meet those expectations then she should have left the show a long time ago. I don't find any of this entertaining. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 20:07:51 GMT
I'd also like to add that people had stopped talking about Sheridan's situation for two days before you brought it up again. So if you don't want to read about it, maybe don't start another conversation on it.
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Post by shady23 on May 21, 2016 20:14:57 GMT
Twitter can be very positve, yes there were the usual idiotic comments but they were quickly drowned out by many many more messages of positivity.
The theatre community are a very supportive lot.
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Post by theatrenut on May 21, 2016 20:51:15 GMT
I'd also like to add that people had stopped talking about Sheridan's situation for two days before you brought it up again. So if you don't want to read about it, maybe don't start another conversation on it. My apologies for living my life instead of live-monitoring this thread. :-o (But if you're being serious... JFC!) In answer to your penultimate post: you seem to be talking my disagreement/criticism somewhat personally and that wasn't my intention (unless you are engaging in some the uninformed character assasination I've seen!?) You also express your empathy, albeit you then qualify it. My view (expressed in my first post in this thread and liked by several but not replied to by anyone as far as I'm aware) is that we can't know for certain what discussions Sheridan Smith had with the producers prior to the transfer, nor whether her father/family persuaded her - against her instinct - that 'the show must go on', or whether she felt she couldn't let her cast/crew/fans down and over-committed herself or ..... who knows? Like I also said, very few of us will ever be in the position of having to cope with a personal crisis while also being responsible for the employment/enjoyment of 10's to 1000's of other people. I am NOT trying to paint Sheridan Smith as a saint (I think there might be things she regrets / would do differently if she could) but right now I think she needs sympathy, support and space. Luckily, I think most of the theatre community will give her these things. I agree wholeheartedly with your hope that she can put "all this" behind her. But, coming on the back of her father's terminal illness, it may be easier to forgive than forget in the long run. I wish her well whatever path her life/career takes after this.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 21:00:07 GMT
I wasn't trying to attack you for posting in this thread. I'm just saying, I understand why you would want the conversation to move on so maybe check that it hasn't already moved on before you insinuate that it hasn't. I'm personally happy to stop talking about it unless something happens again (other than Sheridan returning to the show).
I'm not taking anything personally. I just think this is a discussion board that is meant to represent different opinions. Unless someone is insulting Sheridan personally and not just her attitude towards the show then I don't see the need to try and prevent those opinions from being shared. I doubt Sheridan is reading here.
Everyone has different jobs and responsibilities. Some jobs are even more high pressure than Sheridan's. I'm happy to move on from Sheridan's actions, but I'm never going to think that they're okay.
I agree with most of your last paragraph. Now shall we move on?
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Post by theatrenut on May 21, 2016 21:19:34 GMT
Fair enough. I was commenting on what I'd read - there were no retractions so I commented on opinions I disagreed with (including things said on other platforms). I don't really think it matters if the discussion here had "moved on", unless there is going to be mandatory time limit on replies - there were still posts which anyone who registers for this board can read for however long it is open. (That includes SS or her nearest and dearest. I hope they haven't though!)
Happy to move on now and we'll have to sort of agree to disagree (I don't think SS has handled things as well as she could have, but she has said as much herself and my heart goes out to her under the current circumstances).
FWIW, I enjoyed the production at the Menier and really bought into Fanny Brice's story. I think SS engages me more as an actress than as a singer but I loved her big numbers at the end of each act. I'm intrigued to see how the show plays in a larger venue and what changes have been made.
Editing to reiterate (once again) that I am NOT trying to prevent people from commenting (I see your 'insinuating' and raise you 'inferring'); what I am doing is strongly disagreeing with some of the opinions I've read and posting my own (counter) opinions. Ergo I'm engaging in the discussion, not trying to shut it down. Once again: I'm not a moderator on here.
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Post by shady23 on May 21, 2016 21:31:13 GMT
I saw the show at the Menier and at the Savoy and it keeps much of the intimate Menier production staging and doesn't just add redundant things just for the sake of it.
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Post by ali973 on May 22, 2016 2:57:27 GMT
Are there any day seats for this? If so, where are they? Theatremonkey? Help? I will be in London this week for an assignment and maybe..maybe I might want to see Natacha given that there's absolutely nothing I really want to see until July.
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Post by mrpianoman on May 22, 2016 7:23:44 GMT
Out of interest who is the 2nd understudy for Fanny? Surely there must be one to be able to cover for Natasha?
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 22, 2016 8:41:18 GMT
Valda Aviks
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Post by shady23 on May 22, 2016 9:35:44 GMT
Are there any day seats for this? If so, where are they? Theatremonkey? Help? I will be in London this week for an assignment and maybe..maybe I might want to see Natacha given that there's absolutely nothing I really want to see until July. I am thinking the same. I also have a free evening next week. Am I right in thinking Sheridan has been off two weeks now? In theory she may be back next week as the press release said 2-4 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 9:49:07 GMT
Are there any day seats for this? If so, where are they? Theatremonkey? Help? I will be in London this week for an assignment and maybe..maybe I might want to see Natacha given that there's absolutely nothing I really want to see until July. I am thinking the same. I also have a free evening next week. Am I right in thinking Sheridan has been off two weeks now? In theory she may be back next week as the press release said 2-4 weeks. I have dayseated the week before the Sheridan break, dayseats are strictly the front row of the stalls. Just to note, the stage is very high. With Sheridan being the smallest in the company, you can only see from the waist up of her at the back of the stage. But with the money, you can't really complain, it is stunning!
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Post by littleflyer on May 22, 2016 10:31:21 GMT
I really enjoy that people have kicked off about Sheridan having time off and that she should have done the entire 6 month run with no time off, yet Natasha gets 2-4 weeks on and people hope she has an understudy! Why? She shouldn't need to take time off should she!
People are using her situation for entertainment, the Metro have this morning made a lame story by rehashing some comment Sheridan made weeks ago, people are reading this stories for entertainment, they are being written for people's entertainment.
Oh and day seats are £15 only 15 available
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 10:42:52 GMT
I wonder if Sheridan returning will be announced or if it will just happen out of the blue?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 10:45:39 GMT
I really enjoy that people have kicked off about Sheridan having time off and that she should have done the entire 6 month run with no time off, yet Natasha gets 2-4 weeks on and people hope she has an understudy! Why? She shouldn't need to take time off should she! I suppose that's the same as speculating about what what show is going into which theatre before the one that's currently on has even announced it's closing.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 11:02:26 GMT
I wonder if Sheridan returning will be announced or if it will just happen out of the blue? I was thinking the exact same thing. I would've thought they would announce it in advance but then again she could just say "I'll come back tonight" and it all happens at once. I spoke to the funny girl team on Twitter and they said they haven't got an exact date when she comes back but they will announce it when it's confirmed. I think it will be once her 4 weeks are up, what about you?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 11:05:26 GMT
Are there any day seats for this? If so, where are they? Theatremonkey? Help? I will be in London this week for an assignment and maybe..maybe I might want to see Natacha given that there's absolutely nothing I really want to see until July. I am thinking the same. I also have a free evening next week. Am I right in thinking Sheridan has been off two weeks now? In theory she may be back next week as the press release said 2-4 weeks. It depends when the 2-4 weeks started. Did it start on the first show she missed (Monday after BAFTAs) or the Thursday in which the press release was released. If it started Monday then it'll be two weeks tomorrow but if it started on the Thursday, then it'll be two weeks from Thursday. I think she'll be back next week or the beginning of the following week, they'll probably announce it soon
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