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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 13:27:03 GMT
Oh yeah, I've got fans who hate me following me. Every time I work with or am even papped with an actor who's Tumblr famous I wake up to a bunch of new Twitter followers who have that actor's photo as their profile pic. Yes, the face as the profile pic does rather give them away! I'm always surprised that people don't just go through their follower list and mute them all on sight! (Or maybe people do....) Tangential but related, I'm blocked by some fan of the Cucumberpatch and I have ZERO idea why. I only know because someone I follow is clearly friends with them and RT's stuff a lot, and I have a morbid curiosity for those links that say 'not available' so I would LOVE LOVE to know how I dishonoured our lord and saviour Cucumberpatch to the degree a fan blocked me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 14:02:46 GMT
And the problem is you probably can't even search your own tweets to see a definitive list of all the things you've ever said about him, because honestly, who even uses the same "Cumberbatch" euphemism more than a handful of times? (My money's on you being shunned for refusing to buy into the "fake wife + fake baby" conspiracy.)
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Nov 5, 2018 20:45:17 GMT
I once had a FB convo with someone where I made a joke about having hot gossip about Cufflesnatch* without realising the FB comments thread was public, and got some verrrry interesting emails.
*He's crap at paraphrasing Shakespeare and falls over a lot. Which is okay gossip but not quite up there with fake babies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 21:35:43 GMT
And the problem is you probably can't even search your own tweets to see a definitive list of all the things you've ever said about him, because honestly, who even uses the same "Cumberbatch" euphemism more than a handful of times? (My money's on you being shunned for refusing to buy into the "fake wife + fake baby" conspiracy.) Right I mean I have a fondness for Cucumberpatch as a favoured one but one does like to mix it up. And yes clearly I didn’t buy the fake wife really loves Freeman/whatever the latest is.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 5, 2018 21:59:45 GMT
He's crap at paraphrasing Shakespeare and falls over a lot. Which is okay gossip but not quite up there with fake babies. That’s nearly as good as him asking for a staff discount at the NT bookshop when he was there to see Angels in America. Still makes me laugh, that one. Obviously not as dramatic as fake babies....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 7:33:49 GMT
He's crap at paraphrasing Shakespeare and falls over a lot. Which is okay gossip but not quite up there with fake babies. That’s nearly as good as him asking for a staff discount at the NT bookshop when he was there to see Angels in America. Still makes me laugh, that one. Obviously not as dramatic as fake babies.... Ooh maybe it was the story of me (metaphorically) shoving him out of the way in the NT foyer to get to Marianne? Look Caterpillarpatch I don’t see you in any of her plays so I?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 9:43:42 GMT
Off-topic but related to twitter dramas - had some bizzareness on my timeline with two people who followed me within minutes of each other a few weeks ago, then proceeded to have massive rows with each other over twitter, accuse each other of blocking them, etc etc. Due to the similarity in their styles and the fact they followed me at the same time I suspect they are actually the same person.
Ended up muting them "both" as I couldn't cope with the drama.
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Post by kimbahorel on Nov 6, 2018 9:57:15 GMT
Off-topic but related to twitter dramas - had some bizzareness on my timeline with two people who followed me within minutes of each other a few weeks ago, then proceeded to have massive rows with each other over twitter, accuse each other of blocking them, etc etc. Due to the similarity in their styles and the fact they followed me at the same time I suspect they are actually the same person. Ended up muting them "both" as I couldn't cope with the drama. That's so weird!! There is a woman on twitter who (I have blocked) who spent time either subtweeting (really horrible stuff about people) or talking to herself in her roleplay accounts. Sometimes I think in these case people want attention and when they don't get it they start following people in the hope they get attention.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 0:52:19 GMT
I've known people use "good guy" and "bad guy" twitter accounts to speak to people not necessarily famous. They insult someone then defend them hoping defending tweets/posts gets them favour.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 7, 2018 9:57:59 GMT
To be fair, that just doesn't happen on Twitter! Sock puppets have been around probably since the dawn of the internet. I can certainly recall people being caught on the old WOS forum doing it.
Twitter's mute function is a thing of joy - people have no idea that you've tuned them out so they can just keep arguing with themselves pointlessly while everyone else gets on with their day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 10:34:01 GMT
I've known people use "good guy" and "bad guy" twitter accounts to speak to people not necessarily famous. They insult someone then defend them hoping defending tweets/posts gets them favour. That is IN.SANE.
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Post by jaqs on Nov 7, 2018 14:24:06 GMT
Who has the time or energy? I'd get them mixed up within half an hour and it would be game over.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 7, 2018 15:03:43 GMT
Who has the time or energy? I'd get them mixed up within half an hour and it would be game over. If I recall correctly, the time someone got rumbled doing it on the WOS board it was because he'd used the account being attacked to 'like' the post by the person doing the attacking, not realising that people using browsers could see exactly who 'liked' what. Most people's posting styles are pretty distinctive - I'm not a good enough writer to fake being someone else!
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 7, 2018 17:30:41 GMT
I’m still trying to master being myself, let alone someone else too!
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Post by Roxie on Nov 7, 2018 18:15:53 GMT
Who on earth has time to manage two twitter accounts and ‘argue’ with each other!? Also it’s a bit wierd and I think symptomatic of some kinda personality disorder.
What bugs me is the sense of ENTITLEMENT some people have! And not just fans with stars, as a woman I’ve been on the receiving end of anger from many a man if I’ve politely dismissed him. A friend was telling me about someone she blocked on Instagram after he became angry when she told him he was sending her too many messages and making her uncomfortable. The dude then set up a new insta account so he could continue to message her. This sh*t is NOT OK!!
Just because you’ve watched someone in a show, or paid them a compliment, or sent them a nice message, doesn’t mean they owe you any of their time and attention!! Honestly, it makes me cross!! If someone you have no relationship with, opts to speak to you and give you some of their time - great! Bonus! How kind of them! If they opt not to, build a bridge and get over it. Stop being so bloody entitled everyone. Rant over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 19:16:57 GMT
And not just fans with stars, as a woman I’ve been on the receiving end of anger from many a man if I’ve politely dismissed him. A friend was telling me about someone she blocked on Instagram after he became angry when she told him he was sending her too many messages and making her uncomfortable. The dude then set up a new insta account so he could continue to message her. This sh*t is NOT OK!! Oh god so much this. I mean any woman who has been on dating sites has had the man who won't take no. But also just being a woman existing in the world leaves you open to all manner of unsolicited messages. And no men, it's not just being 'friendly' it's harassment.
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Post by rockinrobin on Nov 7, 2018 19:56:54 GMT
What's particularly disturbing is that we're not talking about hormone-struck teenagers here. We're talking about adult people - in their 30s, 40s, 50s... - who get so obsessed with their favourite actors that they kind of think they own them. Of course, they are closer to them than ever because of social media but still, if you've been living on this planet for some time, then FFS, you should understand that Twitter, Instagram et cetera are NOT reality. And also, while it's not impossible to actually become friends with the artist you admire - I don't think there are many artists under the sun who'd happily befriend someone who tweets them 80 times a day, and who insults their friends and relatives.
Anyway, the worst thing I've ever seen so far this year was a person literally getting in the actor's way and trying to hug him. He managed it quite well and walked away but that whole situation was genuinely creepy. I mean, when I walk down the street and see a handsome guy walking in my direction, I don't stop him to squeeze him (maybe that's why I never got married...) - why would you do that to an actor? Actors, even if their face is the first thing you see in the morning because you used their headshots as your bedroom wallpaper, are still strangers to you and you are a stranger to them. Of course, if you ask politely, you'll probably get your hug. Earlier this year, at the Wyndham's stage door, I saw a guy who managed to get a photo with Jeremy Irons (despite abundant "no photos" signs and warnings) simply because he was nice and very kindly asked for it, fully aware that his request would probably be refused. And he heard "OK". Of course, if an actor clearly just wants to go home, you should respect it, full stop. But if you really, really want this autograph/selfie/handshake/hug AND if your beloved thespian is not in rush - just be kind and ask. No need to force them to do something against their will.
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Post by Roxie on Nov 7, 2018 20:38:09 GMT
And not just fans with stars, as a woman I’ve been on the receiving end of anger from many a man if I’ve politely dismissed him. A friend was telling me about someone she blocked on Instagram after he became angry when she told him he was sending her too many messages and making her uncomfortable. The dude then set up a new insta account so he could continue to message her. This sh*t is NOT OK!! Oh god so much this. I mean any woman who has been on dating sites has had the man who won't take no. But also just being a woman existing in the world leaves you open to all manner of unsolicited messages. And no men, it's not just being 'friendly' it's harassment. I wish I could triple like this post! We need a separate thread of all the daily struggles of being a woman! A lot of men don’t realise how ingrained it is in many women to be wary of strange men, and how we modify our behaviour and risk assess constantly for our safety. There was a really interesting thread on twitter recently where someone proposed ‘imagine all men have a 9pm curfew - what would you do?’ And the replies were things like ‘go to the supermarket alone’ ‘go for a run after dark’ ‘take that shortcut through the park’ so many men expressed that they had no idea women worry or think about these things, it didn’t occur to them! However hard we fight for parity, men will always be generally bigger and stronger than women so there will always be that fear.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 20:47:03 GMT
Oh god so much this. I mean any woman who has been on dating sites has had the man who won't take no. But also just being a woman existing in the world leaves you open to all manner of unsolicited messages. And no men, it's not just being 'friendly' it's harassment. I wish I could triple like this post! We need a separate thread of all the daily struggles of being a woman! A lot of men don’t realise how ingrained it is in many women to be wary of strange men, and how we modify our behaviour and risk assess constantly for our safety. There was a really interesting thread on twitter recently where someone proposed ‘imagine all men have a 9pm curfew - what would you do?’ And the replies were things like ‘go to the supermarket alone’ ‘go for a run after dark’ ‘take that shortcut through the park’ so many men expressed that they had no idea women worry or think about these things, it didn’t occur to them! However hard we fight for parity, men will always be generally bigger and stronger than women so there will always be that fear. I want to triple like this and then highlight it for the Moderators of this board in particular to know why we women 'moan' so much about male behaviour on this board. It's because as women we are TIRED of it, and some of us are fighting back in the little ways we can. Because out in the 'real world' we often don't dare. Yesterday a man took a photo of me at the gym. I saw him do it. Did I challenge him? no because it was early and hardly anyone was around and it wasn't worth it. That's the tip of an annoying, often threatening, always frustrating iceberg. EVERY. DAY.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 7, 2018 21:01:14 GMT
I want to triple like this and then highlight it for the Moderators of this board in particular to know why we women 'moan' so much about male behaviour on this board. It's because as women we are TIRED of it, and some of us are fighting back in the little ways we can. Because out in the 'real world' we often don't dare. I'm surprised that it's a problem on this board because most of the male contributors seem to be gay so I'm surprised that they would be interested in harassing the female contributors. Or is it only in the Musicals section, which is what I mostly read, that the male contributors seem to be mainly gay and the Plays section, which I don't read much, has more straight male contributors so is more problematic?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 21:18:14 GMT
I want to triple like this and then highlight it for the Moderators of this board in particular to know why we women 'moan' so much about male behaviour on this board. It's because as women we are TIRED of it, and some of us are fighting back in the little ways we can. Because out in the 'real world' we often don't dare. I'm surprised that it's a problem on this board because most of the male contributors seem to be gay so I'm surprised that they would be interested in harassing the female contributors. Or is it only in the Musicals section, which is what I mostly read, that the male contributors seem to be mainly gay and the Plays section, which I don't read much, has more straight male contributors so is more problematic? It's not harassment per se it's the way that some Board Members feel it's ok to talk about/to women, making misogyinistic comments, throwing around comments about appearance and weight, comments like 'whore' cropping up over and over...I could go on but that's the general gist. I couldn't say where on the board it's worse, but there's an increasing air of subtle but noticeable dislike for women that makes this an unpleasant place to be. Especially as a blind eye is turned by moderators.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 21:22:19 GMT
Yeah, you don't have to be attracted to women to make it all too clear you think of them as lesser beings, and I'm so lucky to know some absolutely wonderful gay men but they are being very let down by a small but nasty contingent.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 7, 2018 21:25:13 GMT
It's not harassment per se it's the way that some Board Members feel it's ok to talk about/to women, making misogyinistic comments, throwing around comments about appearance and weight, comments like 'whore' cropping up over and over...I could go on but that's the general gist. I couldn't say where on the board it's worse, but there's an increasing air of subtle but noticeable dislike for women that makes this an unpleasant place to be. Especially as a blind eye is turned by moderators. Oh, right, I was evidently thinking of a different sort of harrassment, which would be why I hadn't noticed that. I have noticed a few instances of things like your examples but not that much, probably because I try to avoid the more contentious discussions on here. Yeah, you don't have to be attracted to women to make it all too clear you think of them as lesser beings, and I'm so lucky to know some absolutely wonderful gay men but they are being very let down by a small but nasty contingent. I was (evidently incorrectly) thinking of the sexual harassment involving men paying women unwanted attentions, which was why I thought that gay men wouldn't be doing it, rather than comments based on sexism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 21:47:10 GMT
Oh god so much this. I mean any woman who has been on dating sites has had the man who won't take no. But also just being a woman existing in the world leaves you open to all manner of unsolicited messages. And no men, it's not just being 'friendly' it's harassment. I wish I could triple like this post! We need a separate thread of all the daily struggles of being a woman! A lot of men don’t realise how ingrained it is in many women to be wary of strange men, and how we modify our behaviour and risk assess constantly for our safety. There was a really interesting thread on twitter recently where someone proposed ‘imagine all men have a 9pm curfew - what would you do?’ And the replies were things like ‘go to the supermarket alone’ ‘go for a run after dark’ ‘take that shortcut through the park’ so many men expressed that they had no idea women worry or think about these things, it didn’t occur to them! However hard we fight for parity, men will always be generally bigger and stronger than women so there will always be that fear. I recently had to explain to my husband why I was so angry about some workmen coming earlier than they’d said and how this meant I couldn’t have a shower, and that this threw my day out. He’s a feminist, pretty clued up about this stuff, and he was agog at the idea that I wouldn’t have a shower when there were four strange men in the house. Never crossed his mind that this was just a complete no-no for (I think) any woman alone in the house.
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 7, 2018 21:53:32 GMT
Oh god so much this. I mean any woman who has been on dating sites has had the man who won't take no. But also just being a woman existing in the world leaves you open to all manner of unsolicited messages. And no men, it's not just being 'friendly' it's harassment. I wish I could triple like this post! We need a separate thread of all the daily struggles of being a woman! A lot of men don’t realise how ingrained it is in many women to be wary of strange men, and how we modify our behaviour and risk assess constantly for our safety. There was a really interesting thread on twitter recently where someone proposed ‘imagine all men have a 9pm curfew - what would you do?’ And the replies were things like ‘go to the supermarket alone’ ‘go for a run after dark’ ‘take that shortcut through the park’ so many men expressed that they had no idea women worry or think about these things, it didn’t occur to them! However hard we fight for parity, men will always be generally bigger and stronger than women so there will always be that fear. Here's that curfew thread if anyone's interested. And you should be.
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