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Post by scarpia on May 1, 2021 12:45:10 GMT
Might have been a good way of adding some legitimacy to the new production if they could have got a well established, much loved performer such as Philip to come back and endorse it Given his comments in The Stage interview about his commitment to the original vision, I suspect Griffiths wouldn't have particularly rated what they've done with the show. So it's probably for the best...not that that excuses the sheer cruelty and disregard shown by the producers. |
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Post by ceebee on May 1, 2021 13:56:07 GMT
Might have been a good way of adding some legitimacy to the new production if they could have got a well established, much loved performer such as Philip to come back and endorse it Given his comments in The Stage interview about his commitment to the original vision, I suspect Griffiths wouldn't have particularly rated what they've done with the show. So it's probably for the best...not that that excuses the sheer cruelty and disregard shown by the producers. Have you seen the new show? I'm confused. I didn't think it had opened yet. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 1, 2021 14:19:32 GMT
Aaaah isn’t she lovely?
(nowt wrong with those costumes either! 😌)
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 15:01:04 GMT
Might have been a good way of adding some legitimacy to the new production if they could have got a well established, much loved performer such as Philip to come back and endorse it Endorse it for who? 99.9% of the public have no idea who he is. |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on May 1, 2021 15:10:28 GMT
Aaaah isn’t she lovely? (nowt wrong with those costumes either! 😌) Absolutely gorgeous inside and out. Her excitement is so endearing and over the moon for her. She's the only reason I would see this show, I've seen her covers of Phantom and her voice is stunning. |
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Post by richey on May 1, 2021 15:42:41 GMT
Aaaah isn’t she lovely? (nowt wrong with those costumes either! 😌) This actually makes me want to see the show. Her enthusiasm is lovely. |
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Post by scarpia on May 1, 2021 17:29:05 GMT
Given his comments in The Stage interview about his commitment to the original vision, I suspect Griffiths wouldn't have particularly rated what they've done with the show. So it's probably for the best...not that that excuses the sheer cruelty and disregard shown by the producers. Have you seen the new show? I'm confused. I didn't think it had opened yet. You do seem awfully confused. If I recall, something opened in Leicester last year that Cameron has confirmed multiple times is going into Her Majesty's...and the production announcements confirm the original design, direction, and choreography are being "adapted" by the same creative team as the UK tour. |
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Post by tm on May 1, 2021 17:57:30 GMT
I've seen The Phantom 3 times now. The first time was in Antwerp. I was almost front row and I'll never forget the falling chandelier right above me. The other 2 times were in London. I don't remember that much about the first time in London (other than that my seats were somewhere on the balcony). The second time however, I had the chance to see Scott Davies as the phantom. I will never forget how stunning his performance was. It made me so emotional!
So yes, of course I'd love a spectacular rising and falling chandelier, a full orchestra etc. But I have to say that when I go to a show, the actors are probably the most important to me. And seeing that video of Lucy St. Louis made me excited. So I hope one day I can travel to London again and see her, or whoever is playing Christine that day.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 1, 2021 18:51:04 GMT
We have it from the horses mouth that the chandelier will rise and fall*. And the actors will be wonderful so get travelling to London as soon as you can to see it!
*Shall we all agree to be mature enough to resist the temptation to go round the chandelier discussion again? No one needs to read that. Seriously. No one. Not until it’s been seen.
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Post by fiyero on May 1, 2021 19:49:17 GMT
We have it from the horses mouth that the chandelier will rise and fall*. And the actors will be wonderful so get travelling to London as soon as you can to see it! *Shall we all agree to be mature enough to resist the temptation to go round the chandelier discussion again? No one needs to read that. Seriously. No one. Not until it’s been seen. I do wonder if someone will be live tweeting the first night |
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Post by ceebee on May 1, 2021 21:05:13 GMT
Have you seen the new show? I'm confused. I didn't think it had opened yet. You do seem awfully confused. If I recall, something opened in Leicester last year that Cameron has confirmed multiple times is going into Her Majesty's...and the production announcements confirm the original design, direction, and choreography are being "adapted" by the same creative team as the UK tour. So you've not seen the new version then... |
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Post by inthenose on May 1, 2021 21:31:10 GMT
Just listened to her singing "Wishing ... " on YouTube, which is sung absolutely beautifully.
When I broke what I knew about the casting call earlier in the year, I mentioned the casting of a black actress as Christine was targeted, and will be used a lot in marketing copy. This was always the intention, before any individual had been cast. There was precedent for this, as it was also a directive from CM when casting Cornell John as Javert, in the 2005 Les Mis revamp. Numerous press releases from Cam's PR mentioned the "world first" casting prominently.
Has anyone seen the new production posters/ads? Anything gone up at the theatre, tube - etc?
I really hope they don't make the campaign in bad taste. But it wouldn't surprise me if they did. I have no doubts Lucy St Louis is going to be superb in the role on her own merit.
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Post by showtoones on May 1, 2021 23:02:56 GMT
What performances please did the alternate do back before the pandemic? Obviously it may change but just curious
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on May 1, 2021 23:24:58 GMT
I believe it was Monday and Friday evenings
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Post by scarpia on May 1, 2021 23:29:15 GMT
The former trombonist on the contrasts between the "toothless" Musicians Unions in the UK vs Broadway. He corroborates the story about the 34-year legacy being ended via a Zoom call from one of Cameron's associates: mumembersforchange.com/2021/04/30/the-phantom-union/ |
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Post by ceebee on May 2, 2021 6:31:46 GMT
The former trombonist on the contrasts between the "toothless" Musicians Unions in the UK vs Broadway. He corroborates the story about the 34-year legacy being ended via a Zoom call from one of Cameron's associates: mumembersforchange.com/2021/04/30/the-phantom-union/This is a very enlightening read - thanks for sharing. |
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Post by danb on May 2, 2021 8:20:27 GMT
Grim reading indeed, but no different from every other big business since the Conservatives returned to office. Employment laws were softened to protect the employer and unions lost a lot of their fire power. Getting less people to do more work for a tiny bit more money. It stresses me out every single day at work.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2021 8:34:44 GMT
Sounded like the writer, as a much younger and less experienced person, expected to be paid the same rate as a man who had been doing the job for 27 years? I think the departing musician was entitled to his extra £9 per show after that length of tenure. That’s what happens when you stay with an employer for a long time, your pay increases. I’m surprised it was only a £9 difference to be honest.
Also every redundancy scheme I know of thats based on the number of years in the job has a cap on the number of weeks pay that will be paid out.
That’s not to say that the MU don’t sound completely useless. But even that’s not unique, the one I’m in is useless too but I keep paying that £20 a month. I do wonder why I bother.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 9:01:34 GMT
Every emerging statement from cast/crew further advocates and verifies pretty much every post I've made in this thread over the last year. Reading the galling contents of this blog I'd hoped there may have been some reformation here. Predictable responses from the elite undermining the essence of the writing. Remind me why I log on here.
Petition to rename the board: Cameron Mackintosh Fan Club
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2021 9:24:57 GMT
Every emerging statement from cast/crew further advocates and verifies pretty much every post I've made in this thread over the last year. Reading the galling contents of this blog I'd hoped there may have been some reformation here. Predictable responses from the elite undermining the essence of the writing. Remind me why I log on here. Petition to rename the board: Cameron Mackintosh Fan Club Just a minute please. We’ve already had one valued and long standing member leave the forum because every time he stated an opinion in this thread he got jumped on. If people don’t want to hear differing opinions and aren’t able to disagree with those opinions with civility and without the snarky responses then they are indeed on the wrong forum. |
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Post by danb on May 2, 2021 9:45:37 GMT
Every emerging statement from cast/crew further advocates and verifies pretty much every post I've made in this thread over the last year. Reading the galling contents of this blog I'd hoped there may have been some reformation here. Predictable responses from the elite undermining the essence of the writing. Remind me why I log on here. Petition to rename the board: Cameron Mackintosh Fan Club I’m not sure what you are reading? Nobody is approving of it, simply understanding the background and reasoning. Your inability to acknowledge the bigger picture is equally as frustrating. I am selfish enough to understand that if I want to continue to see quality productions the price might be scaled back reinterpretations, but I’d rather have something over nothing. Elite? Yeah right. |
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Post by ceebee on May 2, 2021 10:05:07 GMT
Additionally, I was genuinely grateful for Scarpia sharing that blog. As a human, it saddened me to read about the gritty side of contract negotiations. As a theatre fan, I do like CML and RUG shows. However, I try to keep an open mind and a realistic perspective. It doesn't have to be black and white - there's a lot of grey in the middle. I won't be persuaded by insults, but I might be by a cohesive argument for or against a standpoint.
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Post by 141920grm on May 2, 2021 10:33:26 GMT
Sounded like the writer, as a much younger and less experienced person, expected to be paid the same rate as a man who had been doing the job for 27 years? I think the departing musician was entitled to his extra £9 per show after that length of tenure. That’s what happens when you stay with an employer for a long time, your pay increases. I’m surprised it was only a £9 difference to be honest. Also every redundancy scheme I know of thats based on the number of years in the job has a cap on the number of weeks pay that will be paid out. That’s not to say that the MU don’t sound completely useless. But even that’s not unique, the one I’m in is useless too but I keep paying that £20 a month. I do wonder why I bother. Hold on, but this was brought up as a counter-argument earlier when we discussed pay relative to an actor's age and experience (https://theatreboard.co.uk/post/376024/thread), and no one disputed that someone young and green are as valuable as someone older and more experienced, which unfortunately in reality is not reflected in their salary. The pay differences in part simply due to 1) Older actors having more "clout" to request extra, or 2) Actors who take on additional roles in the production. Here a musician wishes to be paid the SAME amount as when he was depping his predecessor (£9 less than his OWN, previous pay) and he is met with incredulity?? And your starting statement is wrong- read the article again- nowhere does it say the writer wanted his predecessor's pay. He argues that he was paid £x as deputy, and was pressured to accept £(x-9) as principal- on which planet does this make sense? Please enlighten me. |
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Post by scarpia on May 2, 2021 10:49:32 GMT
Every emerging statement from cast/crew further advocates and verifies pretty much every post I've made in this thread over the last year. Reading the galling contents of this blog I'd hoped there may have been some reformation here. Predictable responses from the elite undermining the essence of the writing. Remind me why I log on here. Petition to rename the board: Cameron Mackintosh Fan Club Just a minute please. We’ve already had one valued and long standing member leave the forum because every time he stated an opinion in this thread he got jumped on. If people don’t want to hear differing opinions and aren’t able to disagree with those opinions with civility and without the snarky responses then they are indeed on the wrong forum. You didn't mention someone else who also left because she kept getting insulted by a poster here. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 2, 2021 10:58:16 GMT
I wasn’t aware of someone else, either way I don’t want ANYone to leave because of the way they’re spoken to by other members.
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