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Post by daisy24601 on Feb 28, 2022 20:45:57 GMT
I have a ticket for sale, posted in the noticeboard.
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Post by cpm on Mar 11, 2022 22:10:58 GMT
To think we once lived in a world where a **** might very easily decline the chance to see JOJ + full orchestra + original staging, in London.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 17, 2022 15:45:30 GMT
Finally going to see the new production tonight, snapped up a plum stalls seat for £52.30 via TKTS. Nervous but excited...
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Post by inthenose on Mar 17, 2022 16:01:01 GMT
Now for all the fun and games with Southern Rail... Haven't been this excited about seeing a show in ages!
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Post by alece10 on Mar 17, 2022 16:08:20 GMT
Finally going to see the new production tonight, snapped up a plum stalls seat for £52.30 via TKTS. Nervous but excited... I had tickets to see it a couple of weeks ago but as it was the tube strike rebooked for next week. Last time I saw the show was 1985!!
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Post by inthenose on Mar 17, 2022 16:28:35 GMT
Looks like it's James Gant as Phantom and Holly-Anne Hull as Christine tonight, according to West End Understudies. Happy enough with that!
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Post by inthenose on Mar 17, 2022 20:52:50 GMT
Interval. Soulless.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Mar 17, 2022 21:11:15 GMT
Go home and watch The Apprentice. Will be much more entertaining
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Post by inthenose on Mar 17, 2022 23:02:12 GMT
First (and probably last) visit to the new Phantom of the Opera. Not because it was poor - it wasn't. It was familiar to such an extent that I felt I was watching a below-average performance of the original production. With my favourite bit taken out.
The changes are for the worse. A few line changes, all the same technical shortcomings and dated visual effects. Nothing rubbish about the original has been fixed.
Close up, everything was sparkling and new. The sets, the costumes - it felt like everything was fresh. It looked great in that regard; "Masquerade" earned well deserved gasps from those around me. It was beautiful.
But nothing has changed which could and should have been improved upon. The cheap pyro, the naffness of the player piano, the Phantom's fireballs etc are identical. Perhaps not in timing, but certainly in visual effect. The flashbangs on the chandelier were rubbish. I literally can tell what they bought, from where and how much each bang costs. I don't want that from this show.
It sounds worse musically than before. Some numbers feel seriously underpowered by the reduced orchestra.
The highlight was Masquerade, mainly because it didn't depend on the leads (both first covers) who were underwhelming to put it politely. I had hoped to see Lucy St. Louis, but I knew in advance that I was seeing Holly-Anne Hull. And she was bang average.
Slightly below average was our Phantom, James Gant. I had seen and enjoyed Gant covering Javert previously, this is a step too far. A naturally deep voice, every high note was a battle of will for him and the nerves were palpable. Sadly, those nerves got the better of him tonight with several very duff notes in The Music of the Night and The Point of No Return. Given the role has so little live singing, this isn't what I hoped for. He blew the final note in MotN so badly that the MD went into double time to just end it. Sadly, a few of his band weren't paying attention and a blown note was accompanied by half the band playing one tempo and the rest another. It was uncomfortable.
There was some click-track weirdness at times too. Everything musically was a little off.
But none of that would've mattered if the performances were right, and they weren't. Holly-Anne Hull was shrill and pitchy, understudy Carlotta Lily-de-la-Haye did well with comic moments and has a good enough voice, but absolutely no sense of timing. Gant, with a booming bassy baritone was the voice of the evening, with zero stage presence and some nasty errors.
Key moments fell flat. The horse in the Act I finale is a massive downgrade. It was also very annoying hearing the squeaky casters from 6-7 rows back. It shouldn't happen. WD40 is in your workroom, I know for a fact.
So I am glad to have seen it, it's another Phantom on the list and a new production (technically). I've seen worse but this was not a great evening of theatre.
Like I said at the interval, it felt soulless.
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Post by alece10 on Mar 26, 2022 11:27:51 GMT
I had a very nice visit to see Phantom this week. This is only the 2nd time I have seen the musical. The first being in 1986 with the original cast of Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman. I remember seeing the musical but as it was so long ago just a few details remain in my mind so it was almost like seeing it for the first time. I have to say I really enjoyed it as I dont have more recent versions to compare it with. I had forgotten what a mega musical it was at the time and to be honest, still is. It is visually wonderful and can see how it still attracts audiences. Also I think the score is one of ALW's best. There was a slight technical stop at the beginning just after the chandelier rises to the roof. Safety curtain came down and there was about a 10 minute hold. I believe one of the sets got stuck. Great cast, and there are an awful lot of them. We had an understudy on for The Phantom but I forget which one it was, possibly Ashley Stillburn, but whoever it was they were very good indeed. I especially liked the voice of Lucy St Louis as Christine. I am guessing the costumes are fairly new as they looked stunning. For me one of the best numbers is Masquerade which opens the 2nd act as it is a feast for the eyes. The orchestra sounded much bigger than I was expecting because of the reduction in musicians. I presume there was an element of pre-recorded music there. The friend I went with had never seen Phantom before, only the film and she was very impressed. Its definitely a show I would like to revisit again at some point in the near future.
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Mar 26, 2022 12:23:01 GMT
We had an understudy on for The Phantom you had James Gant who is 1st cover Phantom!
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Post by scarpia on Mar 26, 2022 18:01:47 GMT
There was a slight technical stop at the beginning just after the chandelier rises to the roof. Safety curtain came down and there was about a 10 minute hold. I believe one of the sets got stuck. ...safer and smoother, they said. *sigh*
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Post by inthenose on Mar 26, 2022 18:46:40 GMT
Lots of points echoed in that review, Masquerade did indeed look great - dare I say better than the original production. Are you sure you saw James Gant, he really vocally struggled at times when I saw him and it wasn't the sort of thing you'd neglect to mention. Maybe you saw Ashley Stillburn?
Killian does seem to be off a lot.
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Post by richey on Mar 26, 2022 18:59:28 GMT
Lots of points echoed in that review, Masquerade did indeed look great - dare I say better than the original production. Are you sure you saw James Gant, he really vocally struggled at times when I saw him and it wasn't the sort of thing you'd neglect to mention. Maybe you saw Ashley Stillburn? Killian does seem to be off a lot. According to West End Understudies, James Gant was Phantom on Tuesday and yesterday. No other understudy mentioned for this week
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Post by alece10 on Mar 26, 2022 19:20:11 GMT
Lots of points echoed in that review, Masquerade did indeed look great - dare I say better than the original production. Are you sure you saw James Gant, he really vocally struggled at times when I saw him and it wasn't the sort of thing you'd neglect to mention. Maybe you saw Ashley Stillburn? Killian does seem to be off a lot. According to West End Understudies, James Gant was Phantom on Tuesday and yesterday. No other understudy mentioned for this week Definately wasn't Killian as I've seen him perform in Kinky Boots and The Commitments so would recognise him (even with the mask).
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Post by alece10 on Mar 26, 2022 19:21:56 GMT
Lots of points echoed in that review, Masquerade did indeed look great - dare I say better than the original production. Are you sure you saw James Gant, he really vocally struggled at times when I saw him and it wasn't the sort of thing you'd neglect to mention. Maybe you saw Ashley Stillburn? Killian does seem to be off a lot. I think it was Ashley. I asked a girl at the merch kiosk who was the Phantom tonight and she said Killian was not off and looking in the programme at the names of the understudies I'm pretty sure she said Ashley.
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Post by anthony on Mar 27, 2022 0:12:03 GMT
Does Stillburn have any confirmed dates? Not a fan of Gant or Killian Guessing not, since it's taken him 7 months as u/s for him to have his first performance.
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Mar 27, 2022 0:19:36 GMT
According to West End Understudies, James Gant was Phantom on Tuesday and yesterday. No other understudy mentioned for this week According to James' instagram he's been on as phantom all week.
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Post by greeny11 on Mar 27, 2022 6:03:04 GMT
Lots of points echoed in that review, Masquerade did indeed look great - dare I say better than the original production. Are you sure you saw James Gant, he really vocally struggled at times when I saw him and it wasn't the sort of thing you'd neglect to mention. Maybe you saw Ashley Stillburn? Killian does seem to be off a lot. I've seen James Gant as Phantom before, and he was vocally one of the strongest Phantoms I've seen, so maybe you just saw him on an off night. It was James yesterday, he's been posting on Instagram about it all week. Having seen Killian and James, I prefer James massively (based on the performances I saw).
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Post by alece10 on Mar 27, 2022 8:40:01 GMT
Glad that's now sorted. All I can say is that he was very good indeed.
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Post by scarpia on Mar 27, 2022 11:18:35 GMT
First (and probably last) visit to the new Phantom of the Opera. Not because it was poor - it wasn't. It was familiar to such an extent that I felt I was watching a below-average performance of the original production. With my favourite bit taken out. The changes are for the worse. A few line changes, all the same technical shortcomings and dated visual effects. Nothing rubbish about the original has been fixed. But nothing has changed which could and should have been improved upon. The cheap pyro, the naffness of the player piano, the Phantom's fireballs etc are identical. Perhaps not in timing, but certainly in visual effect. The flashbangs on the chandelier were rubbish. I literally can tell what they bought, from where and how much each bang costs. I don't want that from this show. It sounds worse musically than before. Some numbers feel seriously underpowered by the reduced orchestra. Which is what we were saying back in 2020 when this was all announced in contradictory language, and I'm sad to be vindicated. This was nothing about making the show "bigger and better" or "for the 21st century", and everything about slashing costs at the expense of the show's integrity. The more I hear and see of this the less inclined I am to bother. Hadn't even realised that the Christine mannequin, which used to match the actress playing the role, is now just a silver dummy that looks like an inflatable sex toy.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 27, 2022 19:35:09 GMT
First (and probably last) visit to the new Phantom of the Opera. Not because it was poor - it wasn't. It was familiar to such an extent that I felt I was watching a below-average performance of the original production. With my favourite bit taken out. The changes are for the worse. A few line changes, all the same technical shortcomings and dated visual effects. Nothing rubbish about the original has been fixed. But nothing has changed which could and should have been improved upon. The cheap pyro, the naffness of the player piano, the Phantom's fireballs etc are identical. Perhaps not in timing, but certainly in visual effect. The flashbangs on the chandelier were rubbish. I literally can tell what they bought, from where and how much each bang costs. I don't want that from this show. It sounds worse musically than before. Some numbers feel seriously underpowered by the reduced orchestra. Which is what we were saying back in 2020 when this was all announced in contradictory language, and I'm sad to be vindicated. This was nothing about making the show "bigger and better" or "for the 21st century", and everything about slashing costs at the expense of the show's integrity. The more I hear and see of this the less inclined I am to bother. Hadn't even realised that the Christine mannequin, which used to match the actress playing the role, is now just a silver dummy that looks like an inflatable sex toy. It *is* the original production, but less. The changes in text serve absolutely no purpose. If I were a cynical man, I'd suggest they were legally mandated to differentiate this production from the original and make the author eligible for a writing credit. Make no mistake, this new production was about money saving through running costs (crew, musicians) and royalties (Hal Prince, Crawford et Al) and absolutely nothing to do with updating or improving the piece. That said, it is still a perfectly fine show and a decent spectacle. For this to sparkle it absolutely needs a tip-top cast, and it hasn't got one. They just keep trading down.
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Post by alex90 on Mar 28, 2022 12:31:36 GMT
Saw the show on Saturday afternoon with James Gant as Phantom. We also had understudies for Carlotta and Meg. Lily De-La-Haye as Carlotta had a beautiful voice and the end of Lucy's Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again quite deservedly got a huge round of applause and was the highlight of the show for me. There were a fair few empty seats along the sides of the dress circle where I was. Had an aspiring Christine sat near me singing along at some of the more well-known moments, quite a lot of people around me were on their phones at various times during the show and one who stayed on their phone (thankfully with dimmed light) for the entire time. They seat latecomers during the overture while the chandelier is rising which is a bit of a shame if you're sat behind people just coming in at that time but I imagine there isn't a more suitable time for latecomers to enter other than perhaps at the interval. Really friendly box office and front of house staff at the theatre.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 29, 2022 0:31:29 GMT
First (and probably last) visit to the new Phantom of the Opera. Not because it was poor - it wasn't. It was familiar to such an extent that I felt I was watching a below-average performance of the original production. With my favourite bit taken out. The changes are for the worse. A few line changes, all the same technical shortcomings and dated visual effects. Nothing rubbish about the original has been fixed. Close up, everything was sparkling and new. The sets, the costumes - it felt like everything was fresh. It looked great in that regard; "Masquerade" earned well deserved gasps from those around me. It was beautiful. But nothing has changed which could and should have been improved upon. The cheap pyro, the naffness of the player piano, the Phantom's fireballs etc are identical. Perhaps not in timing, but certainly in visual effect. The flashbangs on the chandelier were rubbish. I literally can tell what they bought, from where and how much each bang costs. I don't want that from this show. It sounds worse musically than before. Some numbers feel seriously underpowered by the reduced orchestra. The highlight was Masquerade, mainly because it didn't depend on the leads (both first covers) who were underwhelming to put it politely. I had hoped to see Lucy St. Louis, but I knew in advance that I was seeing Holly-Anne Hull. And she was bang average. Slightly below average was our Phantom, James Gant. I had seen and enjoyed Gant covering Javert previously, this is a step too far. A naturally deep voice, every high note was a battle of will for him and the nerves were palpable. Sadly, those nerves got the better of him tonight with several very duff notes in The Music of the Night and The Point of No Return. Given the role has so little live singing, this isn't what I hoped for. He blew the final note in MotN so badly that the MD went into double time to just end it. Sadly, a few of his band weren't paying attention and a blown note was accompanied by half the band playing one tempo and the rest another. It was uncomfortable. There was some click-track weirdness at times too. Everything musically was a little off. But none of that would've mattered if the performances were right, and they weren't. Holly-Anne Hull was shrill and pitchy, understudy Carlotta Lily-de-la-Haye did well with comic moments and has a good enough voice, but absolutely no sense of timing. Gant, with a booming bassy baritone was the voice of the evening, with zero stage presence and some nasty errors. Key moments fell flat. The horse in the Act I finale is a massive downgrade. It was also very annoying hearing the squeaky casters from 6-7 rows back. It shouldn't happen. WD40 is in your workroom, I know for a fact. So I am glad to have seen it, it's another Phantom on the list and a new production (technically). I've seen worse but this was not a great evening of theatre. Like I said at the interval, it felt soulless. I have questions about this. One of the things I kind of loved with the brilliant original was the squeaky original set, it felt creepy in itself! So when I first saw the new version I sort of missed it as nothing squeaked at all!!! I also saw it last week and the horse (also, not my favourite thing) was totally silent!! One thing I found it so odd was that you'd pick on three understudies to have a go at, especially after the last two years! I've seen Holly many times now and her voice is anything but shrill, she has a very round lyrical soprano sound. Lily has brilliant comic timing, far better than others I've seen in the role and Gant is vocally one of the strongest phantoms I've ever heard! Found this on YouTube which has all three and I think, proves my point. This is why I love live theatre though, everyone has a different experience every time. Absolutely fair enough - and thank you so much for reading my little write-up and giving your thoughts too! I think I perhaps grew up (and this sounds really patronising, but I promise you it isn't meant in that way!) where the roles were "prestigious". Playing the Phantom - or Valjean - in the West End was once seen as the pinnacle of musical theatre excellence. I crewed on Phantom for several years, and I saw standards slip - Stewart (Arnott) the stage manager is a brilliant professional, so I don't blame him. Technically they do everything asked of them according to the rigid plan. The casting has sucked for years. It sucked when they brought Scott Davies back (because they were out of ideas), it sucked when they are so desperate for good enough voices who are minimum 6'0" and "young looking'. They are trying to cast it sexy still, they want a Gerard Butler who can sing. Cameron's team have completely lost what made Phantom and LM make their millions in the first place.
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Post by galinda on Apr 9, 2022 13:18:29 GMT
This has probably been discussed here before as it’s all over YouTube but my brother just sent me this and I have never noticed it before!
Did ALW steal Phantom from Pink Floyd or is it just a coincidence?! I thought he only stole music from his other shows! 😂
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