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Post by 141920grm on Jul 30, 2020 16:42:03 GMT
I know I'm stealing this joke, but this whole situation is more confusing than the plot of 'Love Never Dies' Gosh don't you jinx it just yet, they might kill Christine off in this one as well to save costs!! |
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Post by 141920grm on Jul 30, 2020 16:55:06 GMT
Just for a fun debate - Wonder if ALW were to buy out CM as a producer if that changes it from being the original production  ? It's all semantics at the end of the day isn't it- Cameron obviously favours the "any day anything named Les Mis brings me ££ is a day added to the longest running production" approach; while the less business-oriented, more artistry-focused fans will probably wait and see if the 2021 Phantom continues to successfully carry out Hal/Maria/Gillian's vision, before deciding whether or not it's deserving of the "Brilliant Original" mantle. Changes in the % of shares in the production is as trivial to the "original production" debate as new costumes/cast changes/sound desk upgrades I should think... obviously only speaking in terms of the production as experienced day-to-day by an audience member, here! |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 30, 2020 17:07:47 GMT
If Cameron Mackintosh dares tamper with the original and brilliant production, then a disaster beyond his imagination will occur.
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Post by Jon on Jul 30, 2020 17:20:43 GMT
Interesting that LW Theatres has taken up a 50 year lease on Her Majesty's. I assume they announced it to ensure people the theatre wasn't going to sold off anytime soon.
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 17:36:28 GMT
Not sure how to feel about this. The article mentions that "a "brand new physical production" – was used when the show opened in an international tour in 2019, with a set that cost $10 million to make and was intended to look "exactly like" the original piece." Are they suggesting that when Phantom comes back, it will keep Maria's designs, but it will be similar to the international tour? And how similar/different to the London version was that? Things have just gotten even more confusing. |
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Post by 10642 on Jul 30, 2020 17:46:32 GMT
The international tour is fairly similar to London/Broadway, more similar than the 2020 UK tour anyway. Main difference I know of is All I ask of You has a stationary angel on the stage which is then visible through the curtain as the chandelier falls.
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 17:53:43 GMT
The international tour is fairly similar to London/Broadway, more similar than the 2020 UK tour anyway. Main difference I know of is All I ask of You has a stationary angel on the stage which is then visible through the curtain as the chandelier falls. Oh ok. So the international tour still has the chandelier rise and fall I assume? I wonder if the Phantom still pops up from behind the angel, even if it is stationary. |
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Post by 141920grm on Jul 30, 2020 18:23:20 GMT
The international tour is fairly similar to London/Broadway, more similar than the 2020 UK tour anyway. Main difference I know of is All I ask of You has a stationary angel on the stage which is then visible through the curtain as the chandelier falls. Oh ok. So the international tour still has the chandelier rise and fall I assume? I wonder if the Phantom still pops up from behind the angel, even if it is stationary. This post summarises the differences between the WT+UKT and the original: glassprism.tumblr.com/post/621672162800074752/ive-heard-rumours-that-if-they-do-change-phantom. In terms of English-language productions of Phantom, only the 25th anniversary Albert Hall version, that 2012 Restaged UK/US Tour "Connor version", and the 2020 UK Tour "Sklar-Heyn/O'Brien version", have forgone the classic chandelier rise and fall. A mistake, obviously, that I hope won't be made again. |
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 18:37:08 GMT
Oh ok. So the international tour still has the chandelier rise and fall I assume? I wonder if the Phantom still pops up from behind the angel, even if it is stationary. This post summarises the differences between the WT+UKT and the original: glassprism.tumblr.com/post/621672162800074752/ive-heard-rumours-that-if-they-do-change-phantom. In terms of English-language productions of Phantom, only the 25th anniversary Albert Hall version, that 2012 Restaged UK/US Tour "Connor version", and the 2020 UK Tour "Sklar-Heyn/O'Brien version", have forgone the classic chandelier rise and fall. A mistake, obviously, that I hope won't be made again. That does help, thanks. So overall, the World Tour has fewer changes than the recent UK tour. The chandelier does look a bit flatter I have to be honest. Shame that the angel doesn't float, but let's hope that's not the case when the show reopens in London, as with the proscenium as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 18:39:00 GMT
They'll rewrite the story so the Phantom is a producer rather than a composer. He won't murder anyone, but he'll cut productions to the bone and angry fans will treat it like a murder anyway.
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 18:39:09 GMT
only the 25th anniversary Albert Hall version, that 2012 Restaged UK/US Tour "Connor version", and the 2020 UK Tour "Sklar-Heyn/O'Brien version", have forgone the classic chandelier rise and fall. With the Royal Albert Hall, I imagine it would have been more difficult to have it rise and fall, so I guess we can let that slide. |
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Post by David J on Jul 30, 2020 18:47:10 GMT
I think the only continuous long runner for a musical will be The Lion King as Mamma Mia! has moved theatres twice and they replaced the set when they moved to the Novello. As I said, I don't think any show should continue their long run after this pandemic |
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Post by dollybm on Jul 30, 2020 19:36:06 GMT
Not sure how to feel about this. The article mentions that "a "brand new physical production" – was used when the show opened in an international tour in 2019, with a set that cost $10 million to make and was intended to look "exactly like" the original piece." Are they suggesting that when Phantom comes back, it will keep Maria's designs, but it will be similar to the international tour? And how similar/different to the London version was that? Things have just gotten even more confusing. The world tour is pretty similar to the London production. Pretty much identical to Broadway when I saw it, although All I Ask Of You is a stationary angel and the chandelier does rise and fall. |
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 19:42:12 GMT
Not sure how to feel about this. The article mentions that "a "brand new physical production" – was used when the show opened in an international tour in 2019, with a set that cost $10 million to make and was intended to look "exactly like" the original piece." Are they suggesting that when Phantom comes back, it will keep Maria's designs, but it will be similar to the international tour? And how similar/different to the London version was that? Things have just gotten even more confusing. The world tour is pretty similar to the London production. Pretty much identical to Broadway when I saw it, although All I Ask Of You is a stationary angel and the chandelier does rise and fall. Yeah, I saw some pictures and the angel being stationary is a disappointing sacrifice. Let's just hope this won't be the case when it reopens. |
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 19:45:52 GMT
Does anyone know what the orchestra size was for the world tour?
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jul 30, 2020 22:27:37 GMT
Not sure how to feel about this. The article mentions that "a "brand new physical production" – was used when the show opened in an international tour in 2019, with a set that cost $10 million to make and was intended to look "exactly like" the original piece." Are they suggesting that when Phantom comes back, it will keep Maria's designs, but it will be similar to the international tour? And how similar/different to the London version was that? Things have just gotten even more confusing. That’s rubbish. No set costs £10million. |
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Post by 42ndBlvd on Jul 30, 2020 23:07:16 GMT
Not sure how to feel about this. The article mentions that "a "brand new physical production" – was used when the show opened in an international tour in 2019, with a set that cost $10 million to make and was intended to look "exactly like" the original piece." Are they suggesting that when Phantom comes back, it will keep Maria's designs, but it will be similar to the international tour? And how similar/different to the London version was that? Things have just gotten even more confusing. That’s rubbish. No set costs £10million. As far as I’m aware, there’s multiple copies of the Phantom set/costumes in storage in case a new production needs to be produced. So I really don’t understand where this $10 million is coming from. Sure they had to make a new slimmer chandelier and change the proscenium a little bit for the world tour but $10 million?!?! Edit: If they’re factoring in the cost of costumes as well then maybe it’s understandable-ish. Some of the Christine dresses cost up to $40,000 to make a new one. They’ve mostly been re-working old costumes to fit new actors though. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jul 30, 2020 23:10:19 GMT
There really is no way it cost that much. Even Lord of the Rings, Charlie and the chocolate factory, Mary poppins, moulin Rouge didn’t cost that much.
A huge budget for a set is around £4/5 million at the absolute most.
It’s all hot air.
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Post by Jon on Jul 30, 2020 23:33:18 GMT
The production probably costs $10m in total which for a show on the scale of Phantom is about right.
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Post by westendboy on Jul 30, 2020 23:49:05 GMT
Even Lord of the Rings, Charlie and the chocolate factory, Mary poppins, moulin Rouge didn’t cost that much. Lord of the Rings cost approximately £12 million ($25 million), so a little over $10 million. As for the others, I'm not sure how much they cost. We've also got to put into consideration that they were referring to the world tour costing $10 million, so we don't know how much it would cost in London. It may be around that much, when putting the fact that they are refurbishing HMT and replacing/renovating sets. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jul 31, 2020 7:35:05 GMT
Even Lord of the Rings, Charlie and the chocolate factory, Mary poppins, moulin Rouge didn’t cost that much. Lord of the Rings cost approximately £12 million ($25 million), so a little over $10 million. As for the others, I'm not sure how much they cost. We've also got to put into consideration that they were referring to the world tour costing $10 million, so we don't know how much it would cost in London. It may be around that much, when putting the fact that they are refurbishing HMT and replacing/renovating sets. That was not purely the set budget... that’s what they are claiming here. Also it makes no difference that it’s opening in a London or a tour- the set will be built by the same workshops regardless. |
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Post by ceebee on Jul 31, 2020 8:22:43 GMT
$10 million is the notional/insurable value.
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Post by anthony on Jul 31, 2020 10:13:47 GMT
They used the Broadway version of Wandering Child for the UK tour?! That can't happen! The London version is soooooo, sooooo much better?!?
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