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Post by Polly1 on Aug 16, 2017 5:07:45 GMT
Do you mean NT live encore (in cinemas) or is there somewhere else? Ah no, not encore screenings. The internet has some questionable nooks and crannies! Would you like to drop some hints, for the uninitiated? |
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Post by crowblack on Aug 16, 2017 9:18:18 GMT
Salome is theatrical because of every element, not just the "style" of the individual actors! I didn't see Salome, but Peggs suggested that for some reason those involved in Mosquitoes mightn't be happy to see it on screen and I can't think why that would be - there are some actors whose stage performance style doesn't work well in close-up but in the case of Mosquitoes the main cast are all excellent and it is quite an intimate production, not using the broad brush-strokes you get in some. I don't think anyone turning up to see Olivia Colman on an NT Live broacast would be in any way disappointed. |
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Post by peggs on Aug 16, 2017 12:30:25 GMT
I think someone referenced a few pages back that there's the issue that it is stage acting which works for stage (you know people have to project or make sure those at the back can see) but might seem a bit 'big' on screen where people are used to the subtleties of tv/film work. So it's less about any one actor and their ability on stage or screen and more that they are theatrical events. I don't know anything about Mosquitoes specifically and agree it would have been likely to have been a popular sell and been attractive to people. The national must have some criteria for how they choose them, maybe they already had met their number for the season? Has it just been one done from the Dorfman? Maybe it's harder to do there or takes out so many seats for the cameras that the production would be impacted whereas in the Olivier and Lyttleton you've got much bigger auditoriums.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 13:02:56 GMT
They've been done in the Donmar, so there's no excuse regarding auditorium size.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Aug 16, 2017 13:28:20 GMT
Ah no, not encore screenings. The internet has some questionable nooks and crannies! Would you like to drop some hints, for the uninitiated? There does appear to be a bit of a thriving black market. |
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Post by crowblack on Aug 16, 2017 14:08:51 GMT
Has it just been one done from the Dorfman? I rang the box office before the run started, after it had sold out in May, asking if it would be NT Lived and they said they don't do it from the Dorfman. It's a fairly new space but having now been I don't see why the placing of cameras would be an issue - Yerma (traverse style) is being NT lived, and some productions from the Manchester Royal Exchange (a theatre in the round) have also been broadcast - the RX Lear was on over Christmas. I've seen some listings where audiences are asked to wear dark clothes for a broadcast evening but other than that I can't see an issue. The Dorfman galleries would surely be ideal for cameras and it's not like they're the old Hollywood jobs. Maybe they're thinking of a transfer instead? Some Dorfman plays travel (Barber Shop Chronicles) but I can't see Mosquitoes getting a regional tour - we just don't get that kind of cast doing much outside London! |
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Post by prophet on Aug 17, 2017 6:58:07 GMT
Ah no, not encore screenings. The internet has some questionable nooks and crannies! Would you like to drop some hints, for the uninitiated? I too would like to be in the know....pretty please! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 7:17:23 GMT
Just search "[name of play] ntlive download" and have a search, you'll see clear evidence of wrong-doing. (Pick your play wisely though, something like - oh, just snatching a 100% random example out of the air - Coriolanus is going to be much more evident than something like The Magistrate. It'll forever be a mystery as to why though.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 7:30:05 GMT
Just search "[name of play] ntlive download" and have a search, you'll see clear evidence of wrong-doing. (Pick your play wisely though, something like - oh, just snatching a 100% random example out of the air - Coriolanus is going to be much more evident than something like The Magistrate. It'll forever be a mystery as to why though.) I mean just WHY that mid-level popularity Shakespeare play is SO popular with corners of the internet I'll never know. And when The Magistrate had SUCH lovely sets. (which is about the on thing I can recall, though I AM in the audience for that recording!) |
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 17, 2017 8:44:17 GMT
Ah yes, for those asking, Baemax pretty much has it spot on. Though something as simple as "(name of play) download" will throw up such fake, scam, spam, clickbait, virus stuff that you'll probably not find much. For things like this, torrents are quite popular and there are some very particularly dodgy websites that 'specialise' in these. But it's dangerous, as some are fake and deliberately put out there to catch those doing it. There are also sub-reddits on Reddit where, shall I say, all the hard work is done for you. But for 'popular' stuff, blink and you miss it, as it will get taken down. Other stuff, not so much.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 17, 2017 8:44:27 GMT
Just search "[name of play] ntlive download" and have a search, you'll see clear evidence of wrong-doing. (Pick your play wisely though, something like - oh, just snatching a 100% random example out of the air - Coriolanus is going to be much more evident than something like The Magistrate. It'll forever be a mystery as to why though.) Ahem. You may also want to be aware that some versions of that inexplicably popular Shakespeare play have english subtitles, and some are very large file sizes indeed. Apparently for some reason fans of that particular play are willing to set it to download overnight to get the very best quality picture. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 12:58:28 GMT
Regarding this particular conversation, moderators may find it useful to delete it once people have the necessary details. Discretion/valour and all that...
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Post by theatremadness on Aug 17, 2017 13:03:21 GMT
Regarding this particular conversation, moderators may find it useful to delete it once people have the necessary details. Discretion/valour and all that... Yes, absolutely. And if anyone/mods would rather anything I might've contributed to this particular discussion not be shared on this forum, please feel free to delete/remove, no questions asked from me! |
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 18, 2017 12:21:52 GMT
Angels were uploaded to YT (yes, the entire thing!) and the were taken down only 5 days after.
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Post by paplazaroo on Aug 18, 2017 13:03:08 GMT
I have a list of links to most of them (even The Magistrate) but I guess I can't share it on here as it's a bit illegal which is a shame really. The way I look at it is these plays aren't on anymore and there's no other way of watching them so why shouldn't we share art with the people who are so dedicated to it that they spend their spare times on forums like this! I know lawyers have a different take  |
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 18, 2017 13:42:08 GMT
Have to agree. I'm not being ungreatful or anything but maybe NT should consider realising their past productions (sorting out rights shouldn't be a problem - The Globe does that so as RSC) in X years time.. i know it for a fact that I'll want to rewatch Angels, Frankenstein, Magistrate, Othello, Beaux', etc. in 10 years time and i live too bloody far from NT Archive to afford a trip just for that matter (and frankly speaking, when i'm in London, I would love to see live theatre anyway). I'm not going to watch this illigal stuff at home INSTEAD of going to NT Live screening, that's clear, but i see nothing criminal in having an officially licensed DVD in my collection after all Encore screening end.
I also presume NT coild earn a helluva money through that and considering they talk a lot about being under-funded this could be a smart move. Just my opinion though.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 18, 2017 13:54:15 GMT
(sorting out rights shouldn't be a problem - The Globe does that so as RSC) Is it an issue with living / dead writers? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:11:52 GMT
From what I've heard in various interviews/Platforms, actors/directors aren't keen on NT Live being turned into DVDs because theatre doesn't translate well to screen; the theory being that watching a live transmission in a cinema is an event - it's not the same as being in the theatre but it's a good facsimile in a way that watching a DVD on your telly at home never can be. Which I get - I've bought DVDs of plays I really loved when they became available but then I never watch them because they don't work in that format, and it starts to make me wonder whether the production was as good as I remember. The transitory nature of theatre is one of its charms - it's there, it's gone and then it lives on in the memory. But I know that I'm lucky to live somewhere with access to a wide range of theatre - I might not find it so charming if it was hard for me to get to the NT, RSC, etc.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 18, 2017 14:25:50 GMT
I'm lucky to live somewhere with access to a wide range of theatre I don't, and it's even more of an issue for those with mobility or disability issues like my Mum, carers or those with young children - and anyone else who doesn't live near a city. A lot of friends who are aware of NT live but find it too expensive or have children are delighted by the BBC broadcast of Hamlet news. We all pay for London's theatre subsidies - London gets the lion's share of arts funding - and it seems only fair that they should therefore make productions as widely available as possible. Releasing a production on DVD some months after the end of the run isn't likely to impact theatre ticket sales and will allow those who for whatever reason don't find theatre physically accessible to enjoy it. |
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 18, 2017 14:43:59 GMT
(sorting out rights shouldn't be a problem - The Globe does that so as RSC) Is it an issue with living / dead writers? Frankly, I think it's just a rather lousy official excuse they talk about to make the whole "NTLive to DVD conversation" die out. Nobody bothered about right when they released 50th Anniversary Celebration. I talked about it personally to Daniel Rosenthal (was lucky to catch him in Moscow last summer) and he expressed an opinion very similair to what @abby was saying. That these filmed versions are designed for a big screen and sitting in the dark with the audience sharing the same experience, they should be seen as an event, etc. I can totally relate to that but then again.. it's accessibility in question.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 18, 2017 15:18:43 GMT
From what I've heard in various interviews/Platforms, actors/directors aren't keen on NT Live being turned into DVDs because theatre doesn't translate well to screen; the theory being that watching a live transmission in a cinema is an event - it's not the same as being in the theatre but it's a good facsimile in a way that watching a DVD on your telly at home never can be. Which I get - I've bought DVDs of plays I really loved when they became available but then I never watch them because they don't work in that format, and it starts to make me wonder whether the production was as good as I remember. The transitory nature of theatre is one of its charms - it's there, it's gone and then it lives on in the memory. But I know that I'm lucky to live somewhere with access to a wide range of theatre - I might not find it so charming if it was hard for me to get to the NT, RSC, etc. Yes, having *ahem* acquired a copy of the Coriolanus broadcast, I then found I couldn't actually bear to sit and watch it on a 15 inch laptop screen. It just didn't have the same immersive effect and I couldn't concentrate on it at all (probably the subtitles didn't help with that). And I say that as someone who has managed to watch archive recordings at the NT and V&A before. It's something to do with watching it at home - it's inherently distracting. |
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Post by rumbledoll on Aug 18, 2017 15:37:15 GMT
Interesting. I watched a couple of Digital Theatre recording on my laptop - didn't find it much harder to concentrate on than with a regular film/TV show (just for the record: when I watch anything I do not tweet/chat/play guitar/cook/etc at the same time and like to have my lights switched off as well)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 15:51:21 GMT
I'm lucky to live somewhere with access to a wide range of theatre I don't, and it's even more of an issue for those with mobility or disability issues like my Mum, carers or those with young children - and anyone else who doesn't live near a city. A lot of friends who are aware of NT live but find it too expensive or have children are delighted by the BBC broadcast of Hamlet news. We all pay for London's theatre subsidies - London gets the lion's share of arts funding - and it seems only fair that they should therefore make productions as widely available as possible. Releasing a production on DVD some months after the end of the run isn't likely to impact theatre ticket sales and will allow those who for whatever reason don't find theatre physically accessible to enjoy it. Totally take your point; sometimes I think it's only theatregoing that keeps me paying a fortune for a tiny flat in London - I have dreams of working part time somewhere cheaper and getting off the treadmill... But to be controversial - does everything have to be accessible to everyone? Sometimes physical or geographical limitations mean you just can't do something; a few years ago I hurt my back and wasn't physically able to get to or sit in a theatre for three months. It sucked but that doesn't mean theatres are obliged to put out versions of their productions that don't do them justice or that the people involved aren't happy with to make up for that. Theatre is something that happens live and is by definition exclusive - you're either in the room when it happens or you're not. I don't think impact on box office is the main objection to sticking it on DVD - it's whether it devalues a production by showing it via a medium it wasn't made for. |
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Post by Jon on Aug 18, 2017 15:56:30 GMT
I have a list of links to most of them (even The Magistrate) but I guess I can't share it on here as it's a bit illegal which is a shame really. The way I look at it is these plays aren't on anymore and there's no other way of watching them so why shouldn't we share art with the people who are so dedicated to it that they spend their spare times on forums like this! I know lawyers have a different take It's theft, even if these productions have finished. Sharing what is copyright material without paying for it shouldn't be encouraged! |
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Post by Jon on Aug 18, 2017 15:59:32 GMT
I don't, and it's even more of an issue for those with mobility or disability issues like my Mum, carers or those with young children - and anyone else who doesn't live near a city. A lot of friends who are aware of NT live but find it too expensive or have children are delighted by the BBC broadcast of Hamlet news. We all pay for London's theatre subsidies - London gets the lion's share of arts funding - and it seems only fair that they should therefore make productions as widely available as possible. Releasing a production on DVD some months after the end of the run isn't likely to impact theatre ticket sales and will allow those who for whatever reason don't find theatre physically accessible to enjoy it. Totally take your point; sometimes I think it's only theatregoing that keeps me paying a fortune for a tiny flat in London - I have dreams of working part time somewhere cheaper and getting off the treadmill... But to be controversial - does everything have to be accessible to everyone? Sometimes physical or geographical limitations mean you just can't do something; a few years ago I hurt my back and wasn't physically able to get to or sit in a theatre for three months. It sucked but that doesn't mean theatres are obliged to put out versions of their productions that don't do them justice or that the people involved aren't happy with to make up for that. Theatre is something that happens live and is by definition exclusive - you're either in the room when it happens or you're not. I don't think impact on box office is the main objection to sticking it on DVD - it's whether it devalues a production by showing it via a medium it wasn't made for. I agree with this, I know London gets the lion share of arts funding but London gets a lot of money that other places in the country and that's because it's the capital and it has the most money and business. It's not fair but life isn't |
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