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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 8, 2018 10:55:35 GMT
But what is frustrating is when things that are obviously ugly and poorly executed in terms of look, they still get praise
I am thinking of Dan's ugly peach thing this season, and more particularly, Ruby's horrendous garden cake from whatever series she was on. It was lopsided and inch deep in poppy seeds for soil. It was a mess and was lauded.
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Post by lynette on Oct 8, 2018 12:36:35 GMT
Do they tidy stuff up before the judging? I mean the cakes! And yes they must clean up the tent, you can see that. Often the cakes look better when judged than when they were being made.
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Post by Tibidabo on Oct 8, 2018 15:29:20 GMT
So it’s Vegan week next apparently. Wonder what that will throw up for the bakers. Yep. Definitely.🤮🤮🤮
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Post by jaqs on Oct 8, 2018 15:33:53 GMT
The professionals version isn’t in a tent and still has the melty chocolate issue, has to be lights, number of people etc.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 8, 2018 18:02:29 GMT
So it’s Vegan week next apparently. Wonder what that will throw up for the bakers. Yep. Definitely.🤮🤮🤮 They’ll not be needing to borrow my recipe for a meat pie butty then.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 8, 2018 18:06:08 GMT
I am sure they can recreate it substituting some seitan for the meat
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 20:11:59 GMT
But what is frustrating is when things that are obviously ugly and poorly executed in terms of look, they still get praise I am thinking of Dan's ugly peach thing this season, and more particularly, Ruby's horrendous garden cake from whatever series she was on. It was lopsided and inch deep in poppy seeds for soil. It was a mess and was lauded. I’m so glad you mentioned that cake. It’s near the top of my list of over-praised abominations. See also the biscuit pub that Candace did, the horrific Alice in wonderland pie from Bryony last week and every single wedding cake in that season finale.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 8, 2018 20:23:09 GMT
If I were to develop an alternative format, I would make it score-based (with separate scores for taste and for presentation) for the first part of the series
Week 1 - Cakes Week 2 - Biscuits Week 3 - Bread Week 4 - Pastries Week 5 - Meringues
And there would be no eliminations - everyone would be able to demonstrate their skills in the basics. The top people on the leaderboard would then progress to the second phase of the show. This would mean you got the best overall bakers progressing rather than seeing people eliminated on the basis of one weakness.
The second phase would then be themed weeks with weekly eliminations - again based on scoring for taste and presentation.
It might lack the artificial drama that Bake Off loves to engineer. But it would deliver a fairer and more transparent result.
Oh, and Paul Hollywood would not be allowed near the new format. Any man who puts a recipe for Cheese Straws in a collection of bread recipes can never have my respect!
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Post by lynette on Oct 8, 2018 20:54:26 GMT
Nice one, Si, I like your format. Scoring is not popular is it in cookery shows. I often wonder about the master chef format and wish it were scored. Strictly is scored and the better for it.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 8, 2018 21:10:05 GMT
Nice one, Si, I like your format. Scoring is not popular is it in cookery shows. I often wonder about the master chef format and wish it were scored. Strictly is scored and the better for it. Great British Menu is scored - and that has survived more than 10 series I would go with three judges and each would give a score for each bake for taste and looks. It would be more balanced than allowing Paul to play favourites.
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Post by catlover74 on Oct 9, 2018 1:48:51 GMT
So it’s Vegan week next apparently. Wonder what that will throw up for the bakers. Yep. Definitely.🤮🤮🤮 A rather unfortunate choice of phrasing from me there, but I agree.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 9, 2018 11:31:06 GMT
So it’s Vegan week next apparently. Wonder what that will throw up for the bakers. Yep. Definitely.🤮🤮🤮 Bit harsh, there. Since I had to give up dairy the only cakes I've been been able to eat have been vegan. It *is* possible to make them taste nice, with a bit of thought and effort! Some of the heavily-processed ones have been nasty, but cafes offering home-baked versions tend to do well. Had a nice pumpkin and cinnamon vegan muffin at the NT at the weekend, in fact. It's when people try to make things gluten-free as well that they really do run into problems....
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Post by karloscar on Oct 9, 2018 11:38:08 GMT
I tried making vegan meringue with the water from a can of chick peas. Texture is slightly different from the real thing but quite easy to make, and a good substitute.
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Post by jaqs on Oct 9, 2018 13:15:56 GMT
If I were to develop an alternative format, I would make it score-based (with separate scores for taste and for presentation) for the first part of the series Week 1 - Cakes Week 2 - Biscuits Week 3 - Bread Week 4 - Pastries Week 5 - Meringues And there would be no eliminations - everyone would be able to demonstrate their skills in the basics. The top people on the leaderboard would then progress to the second phase of the show. This would mean you got the best overall bakers progressing rather than seeing people eliminated on the basis of one weakness. The second phase would then be themed weeks with weekly eliminations - again based on scoring for taste and presentation. It might lack the artificial drama that Bake Off loves to engineer. But it would deliver a fairer and more transparent result. Oh, and Paul Hollywood would not be allowed near the new format. Any man who puts a recipe for Cheese Straws in a collection of bread recipes can never have my respect! You should sell your format to the bbc.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 9, 2018 13:38:55 GMT
Thanks - it is probably too close to the original for it to be viable - but I do think it is a fairer way of doing this sort of skills-based competition.
Level playing field, space to have one bad week and still survive, and far more transparent.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 9, 2018 16:53:21 GMT
I have a nice recipe for a vegan lemon drizzle cake if anyone would like it.
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Post by hulmeman on Oct 9, 2018 17:18:18 GMT
I have a nice recipe for a vegan lemon drizzle cake if anyone would like it. Oh go on then
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 9, 2018 17:26:40 GMT
Vegan Lemon Drizzle Bundt Cake
Bundt Tin 20 cm Preparation time: 15-20 minutes Baking time: 65 minutes Serves: 10-12
Ingredients: 250ml almond milk (you could use rice milk - no idea about soya milk) 250ml olive oil (about 1 cup and 1 tbs) 3tbs ground flax seeds + 9tbs cold water 1/3tsp vanilla extract grated zest of 2 un-waxed lemons
320g raw unrefined sugar 350g self raising flour ( I used Doves Farm Gluten free) 1/4 tsp salt
for the lemon glaze (optional) 1 cup icing sugar 2-3tbs lemon juice
for the lemon drizzle freshly squeezed juice and zest of 1 lemon 50g sugar
Instructions:
Preheat the oven to 170c (325F). Prepare your bundt tin by greasing it (I used an oil spray) and covering the oil with a dusting of flour. Make sure to spread the oil well, you do not want the cake sticking to the tin! In fact this cake can be delicate so be mindful when you take it out of the mould. Prepare the flax seed mixture by combining the ground flax seeds with the water in a medium bowl. Mix briefly. Next add the grated lemon zest, milk, vanilla extract and olive oil. Set aside.
In a separate, large bowl mix together all the dry ingredients - the sugar, flour, baking powder (if using) and salt. Mix well. Next combine the wet ingredients with the dry ingredients and gently fold with a wooden spoon until the mixture is nicely combined.
Pour the cake batter into the prepared bundt cake mould and place in the oven. Bake for 65 minutes or until golden brown. Do the stick test to ensure it is cooked throughout the centre.
While the cake bake prepare the drizzle combining the ingredients and set aside.
When the cake is done, allow it to cook for about 5-10 minutes before carefully removing it from the mould. Allow it to cool for a further 15-20 minutes before pouring over the drizzle.
Whilst the cake is completely cooling, prepare the glaze by combining the sugar and the juice and set aside.( if you prepare the glaze too much in advance can harden too much to whisk it again to a perfect consistency).
It just tastes like a normal cake - you wouldn't know it was vegan.
You can, of course, up the amount of lemon zest if you want something even zingier
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Post by hulmeman on Oct 9, 2018 17:52:18 GMT
Oh thanks for that oxfordsimon. Sounds lush. Funnily enough, I watched an old Nigella programme last night and she used a "bundt" tin. I didn't know they were called that and not "ridged with a hole tin"!! I've used almond milk previously for a rice pudding, the difference is marvellous.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 9, 2018 17:54:39 GMT
I suspect you could bake it in a regular tin - but timing would probably differ due to the lack of hole.
The flax seed thing does give a slight fleck to the finished cake - but that is all.
I used GF flour as well as I find it gives me a better sponge (and you can't over develop the gluten!!)
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Post by lynette on Oct 9, 2018 21:14:34 GMT
So what do we think? Right person gone?
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Post by sf on Oct 9, 2018 23:35:19 GMT
So what do we think? Right person gone?
I think so - and I'd called it before he'd even finished his signature.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 7:58:08 GMT
Thanks - it is probably too close to the original for it to be viable - but I do think it is a fairer way of doing this sort of skills-based competition. Level playing field, space to have one bad week and still survive, and far more transparent. I think your format is much better than the current one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 7:59:44 GMT
So what do we think? Right person gone?
I think so - and I'd called it before he'd even finished his signature.
I liked him but feel they made the right decision. He had visible contempt for vegans which was reflected in his horrendous bakes. Don’t mess with the vegans.
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Post by emsworthian on Oct 10, 2018 8:16:06 GMT
I think he should have gone for the "Only Fools Eat Horses" pun.
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