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Post by peggs on Mar 31, 2018 23:34:22 GMT
Well that went well I thought even if it is just as well I can have a lie in, in the morning. I'd forgotten just how much I loved this and how different it was from any other Hamlet i'd seen before, i loved some of the directional choices and was good to see some of the bits i'd missed from sitting on the sides. Didn't we decide the watches were some sort of passage onto death lynette? A passing of fathers to sons? |
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Post by Being Alive on Mar 31, 2018 23:39:30 GMT
That was electric.
I was enthralled for the entire time.
Andrew Scott is a marvel - totally devastating and utterly remarkable.
I’ve seen the worst Shakespeare and one of the best shakespeare productions I’ve seen in one day.
Totally loved it.
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Post by bacon on Apr 1, 2018 8:01:55 GMT
Well, I watched it all straight through, so it must've been good. And I did enjoy it more than when I saw it at The Almeida - *much* stronger Horatio, Angus Wright less monotone, close-ups increasing intensity. But the same issues still bugged me: Do I really have listen to Bob Dylan wheezing away all the time? Unnecessary faffing around with watches - even more irritating on 2nd viewing. And that ending. Bleurgh. Slow-Dancing afterlife? Sword-fight done like a montage? No thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 8:16:12 GMT
Well that went well I thought even if it is just as well I can have a lie in, in the morning. I'd forgotten just how much I loved this and how different it was from any other Hamlet i'd seen before, i loved some of the directional choices and was good to see some of the bits i'd missed from sitting on the sides. Didn't we decide the watches were some sort of passage onto death lynette? A passing of fathers to sons? I thought the handing over of the watches was a simple indication of the giving up of earthly time. |
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Post by bellboard27 on Apr 1, 2018 8:22:23 GMT
Great to see this excellent production again. For me to rebook a show after seeing it is as rare as hens teeth, but after visiting the Almeida I immediately booked for the Harold Pinter. Now I’ve got it recorded as well - brilliant!
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Post by lynette on Apr 1, 2018 10:31:11 GMT
Yeah, I get the watches thing as giving up on mortal time but what means it that at the end Dad Hamlet already has son Hamlet's watch? That son Hamlet never stood a chance, that he was predestined to an early death, that dad Hamlet wanted him with him in death? That we are better not tied to earthly time? This is the play that talks about purgatory which was going out of fashion at the time, being a Roman Catholic thing, so is this indicated? Death is better than life? To be or not to be..the answer is not to be?
And what a difference that extra rarely performed scene with Gertrude and Horatio makes! Gertrude knows the drink is poisoned because she knows Claudius is evil and wants to kill Hamlet so what she does is, in fact, commit suicide. 'The drink, the drink..' is then a confirmation to tell her son, not a realisation of Claudius's intentions as in all other productions I have seen.
Loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 10:56:21 GMT
Yeah, I get the watches thing as giving up on mortal time but what means it that at the end Dad Hamlet already has son Hamlet's watch? That son Hamlet never stood a chance, that he was predestined to an early death, that dad Hamlet wanted him with him in death? That we are better not tied to earthly time? This is the play that talks about purgatory which was going out of fashion at the time, being a Roman Catholic thing, so is this indicated? Death is better than life? To be or not to be..the answer is not to be? And what a difference that extra rarely performed scene with Gertrude and Horatio makes! Gertrude knows the drink is poisoned because she knows Claudius is evil and wants to kill Hamlet so what she does is, in fact, commit suicide. 'The drink, the drink..' is then a confirmation to tell her son, not a realisation of Claudius's intentions as in all other productions I have seen. Loved it. Remember, ghosts return to deal with unfinished business. The father wearing Hamlet's watch may signify that it is because of Hamlet that he cannot rest. Hamlet's life is in danger, isn't it? The father returns to importune Hamlet to take care of the unfinished business... so that Hamlet can live. Hamlet - being young and volatile - is ironically drawn to death (the death drive?) |
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Post by peggs on Apr 1, 2018 10:58:10 GMT
Well your first paragraph lynette is much too smart for me so will leave for some other bright spark as I'm left going hmmmm good point. As for your second I quite agree, it makes such a difference. I liked the choices made in This, hamlet and Ophelia are a couple, Claudius and Gertrude actually do want to be together, r and g do actually appear to have been friends with hamlet. The way characters then react makes more sense, feels more natural. |
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Post by glossie on Apr 1, 2018 12:58:49 GMT
GAAAHH!!!! Husband doing important gardening which I couldn't help with, so settled down with the leftover Giant Buttons to indulge myself for Easter Sunday...only for the recording to cut out after 2 hours....totally forgot my PVR has a 2 hour default recording setting. GAAHHH!!!  |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 1, 2018 13:06:36 GMT
get_iplayer may be your friend glossie...
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Post by Jan on Apr 1, 2018 19:10:42 GMT
Yeah, I get the watches thing as giving up on mortal time but what means it that at the end Dad Hamlet already has son Hamlet's watch? That son Hamlet never stood a chance, that he was predestined to an early death, that dad Hamlet wanted him with him in death? That we are better not tied to earthly time? This is the play that talks about purgatory which was going out of fashion at the time, being a Roman Catholic thing, so is this indicated? Death is better than life? To be or not to be..the answer is not to be? And what a difference that extra rarely performed scene with Gertrude and Horatio makes! Gertrude knows the drink is poisoned because she knows Claudius is evil and wants to kill Hamlet so what she does is, in fact, commit suicide. 'The drink, the drink..' is then a confirmation to tell her son, not a realisation of Claudius's intentions as in all other productions I have seen. Loved it. Remember, ghosts return to deal with unfinished business. The father wearing Hamlet's watch may signify that it is because of Hamlet that he cannot rest. Hamlet's life is in danger, isn't it? The father returns to importune Hamlet to take care of the unfinished business... so that Hamlet can live. Hamlet - being young and volatile - is ironically drawn to death (the death drive?) Ghosts/spirits are interesting in Shakespeare, only men can see them, women can’t. Why ? |
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Post by david on Apr 1, 2018 19:32:16 GMT
Hopefully this performance will be used by schools in teaching Shakespeare to try and show kids that Shakespeare can be made modern and relevant and to try and dispell the notion that its boring. Having Andrew Scott in the role may also peak their interest.
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Post by peggs on Apr 1, 2018 21:15:32 GMT
Ghosts/spirits are interesting in Shakespeare, only men can see them, women can’t. Why ? Oh now that is interesting, I was wondering why it is that Horatio etc. can see the ghost but Gertrude can't, Hamlet yes, but the others? Hadn't thought that in Macbeth it's another man. |
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Post by lynette on Apr 1, 2018 21:18:34 GMT
Remember, ghosts return to deal with unfinished business. The father wearing Hamlet's watch may signify that it is because of Hamlet that he cannot rest. Hamlet's life is in danger, isn't it? The father returns to importune Hamlet to take care of the unfinished business... so that Hamlet can live. Hamlet - being young and volatile - is ironically drawn to death (the death drive?) Ghosts/spirits are interesting in Shakespeare, only men can see them, women can’t. Why ? The answer is always that this scene with G not seeing the ghost works so well on the stage we shouldn’t think too much about it but actually I think we should. Just as in Macbeth, you are right, Jan, the woman can’t see the ghost. In Hamlet in this scene I think it might be the lead in to the last part of the play when Hamlet seems to have 'changed' and isn’t it seems, pursuing revenge. Does the fact that his mother can’t see the ghost indicate to him that he is wrong, that the ghost might be misleading him, might be not what it seems which is raised right at the start? But then, Hamlet does allow the death of R and G without worrying... and about that. Why do R and G bother to go to England when they don’t have Hamlet in their custody? I’m nit picking of course. Love this play. |
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Post by bellboard27 on Apr 1, 2018 21:23:26 GMT
Ghosts/spirits are interesting in Shakespeare, only men can see them, women can’t. Why ? Oh now that is interesting, I was wondering why it is that Horatio etc. can see the ghost but Gertrude can't, Hamlet yes, but the others? Hadn't thought that in Macbeth it's another man. This is an interesting article on ghosts in Shakespeare and contemporaries, although it doesn’t answer the men only question www.bl.uk/shakespeare/articles/ghosts-in-shakespeare |
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Post by peggs on Apr 1, 2018 22:56:09 GMT
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Post by shady23 on Apr 2, 2018 4:22:46 GMT
Does this mean it will also be on iplayer afterwards? It's on for the next month. |
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Post by lynette on Apr 2, 2018 9:31:49 GMT
Yes, thanks v interesting. |
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Post by glossie on Apr 2, 2018 9:46:26 GMT
get_iplayer may be your friend glossie... Thanks Simon. I will check but having the time to myself to watch, sitting in front of a laptop rather than a TV screen, never mind my measly 2mbps (on a good day) broadband which can barely cope with an episode of Doctors...well... At least I managed to catch the essence of the production, which was a joy in itself, not being able to get to London easily any more. |
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Post by Jan on Apr 2, 2018 10:44:16 GMT
Ghosts/spirits are interesting in Shakespeare, only men can see them, women can’t. Why ? Oh now that is interesting, I was wondering why it is that Horatio etc. can see the ghost but Gertrude can't, Hamlet yes, but the others? Hadn't thought that in Macbeth it's another man. In Tempest Miranda doesn’t see Ariel. There are other plays where men see ghosts (R-III, Julius Caesar etc.) but without women there at the time. |
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 3, 2018 15:13:35 GMT
^ Ah, but will it be classified PG or not PG?
Want to share a taxi?
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 3, 2018 15:21:43 GMT
Addison Lee, or not Addison Lee?
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 3, 2018 15:34:26 GMT
Or we could save cash and catch the bus instead.
Number 53, or not 53?
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 3, 2018 15:44:06 GMT
I know, let's ask a fellow Board member. Parsley, or not Parsley?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 15:56:46 GMT
Don't make me use the "Report" function for every single post in this exchange, guys. I will if I have to.
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