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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jul 5, 2019 15:32:40 GMT
Tbh I have seen a great deal of people being affronted by people having a problem with a black woman being cast but very few people actually bothered by it. I had a look at that NotMyAriel hashtag and every single comment was people angry about it, no one actually saying it. Seems like people looking for a fight where there isn't really one. There are plenty of racist comments on Twitter saying this is outrageous and that Ariel is clearly white. Maybe the anti-racists outnumber them, which is great. But they are definitely there. |
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Post by christya on Jul 6, 2019 10:59:38 GMT
There are a couple of people clearly disapproving of it in this very thread, albeit they haven’t been silly enough to express the sentiment in the type of blatantly racist way you’ll find on Reddit. You’ll notice the assumption that Disney have deliberately picked a WOC rather than actually conducting a colour-blind casting search that found the best woman for the job. The trouble with believing they just went for the 'best woman for the job' is that it implies that Emma Watson was also the best, and there's no way that's the case. There are all kinds of things that go into the casting, and it's not all about talent. Doesn't mean Haille can't do it - she has a beautiful voice from the clips I've heard. I'd rather they cast like this, changing the look, than said "Which famous person can we try to make look like the cartoon" and tried to 'fix' the singing afterward. |
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Post by kathryn on Jul 6, 2019 19:24:02 GMT
Clearly Emma Watson was the best woman for the job, regardless of singing ability, because the film was well-reviewed both by critics and general audiences and made a huge amount of money.
Sometimes a performer’s ability to connect to the target audience is more important than their technical ability. And the general audience that listens to mainstream pop music is now so used to hearing auto tune that some some pop singers have actually learned how to mimic its effects with their actual voice, because people prefer it!
Traditional Musical-theatre oriented audiences like us may well disagree, but we’re in the minority.
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Post by Dave25 on Jul 7, 2019 0:10:26 GMT
Maybe audiences don't really recognize quality anymore and are numb because of all the lifeless garbage and autotune.
That could be a reason why Emma Watson was somewhat accepted.
But I'd take this unknown, young, very well singing, beautifully voiced girl as Ariel, full of life and who sings with glow and passion over someone like Emma Watson any time.
I think it's never too late to teach audiences how it can be done too and what actually works better.
And in the end, what will stand the test of time? Myself for example, I never need to see or hear the live action BATB again. But I still listen to and watch The Sound of Music, Grease, The original BATB sometimes.
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Post by indis on Jul 7, 2019 10:59:48 GMT
for my personal taste i would have preferred someone white with red hair but as its only a non-existing-creature i can
look over it in that role
i would only riot if they would miscast Mulan, Pocahontas or Moana with someone not fitting looks-wise
i don't know about Tiana from that Frog-movie - does she have to be black? never saw the film
as for BATB - i didn't like the choice of Emma Watson, and not only voice like ... bäh.. also looks
wise as for me she is only pretty but not beautiful, but that seems to be personal taste
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2019 14:23:10 GMT
i don't know about Tiana from that Frog-movie - does she have to be black? never saw the film The Princess and The Frog. Yes, she does have to be black.
I find it quite interesting that Disney casts its main studio animated films almost as if they were live action anyway.
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 7, 2019 18:42:38 GMT
I LOVE The Little Mermaid. When it was released, my best friend and I saw it at the cinema several times.
I have another friend, a straight-an-arrow, professional corporate lawyer (his Ecuadorian wife calls him 'serioso') who is the oldest of seven children, who we bought as a joke gift at the time on VHS back at the time and now he and all his family love it to, having watched it several times.
I don't really have an opinion on the colour casting of Ariel. For me, as long as she still has red hair, all the main characters are there and the songs Part of Your World, Under The Sea, Poor Unfortunate Souls and Kiss the Girl are included, then I'll be happy.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 12, 2021 9:52:05 GMT
Release date put back to May 2023.
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 12, 2021 18:21:18 GMT
Release date put back to May 2023. Maybe this delayed release will allow others more time to become part of Ariel's world?#fathomsbelow |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 8:22:20 GMT
Odd given they've already finished filming it! Films due to be released last year it was understandable, but this one not so much. Unless the schedules for next year are now already overcrowded?
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Post by Jon on Sept 13, 2021 12:32:24 GMT
Odd given they've already finished filming it! Films due to be released last year it was understandable, but this one not so much. Unless the schedules for next year are now already overcrowded? I think it's less to do with scheduling and more to with post production. |
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 10, 2022 10:27:02 GMT
Teaser trailer alert.... no sign of Ursula yet but a little bit of Ariel and "Part Of Your World".
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Post by inthenose on Sept 10, 2022 11:42:05 GMT
Yep. Exactly as expected.
£20 saved.
Ps. Part of your… Woooorrrr-huuuu-uuurllll-YAY-Yyeeeahhhh-mmmmmmmm-uhhhhh-uhhhhhhhuhhhhhh.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 10, 2022 11:46:16 GMT
Wicked is going to be juuuu-heee-huuuusssst th-uh-uh-uhhhhh- same.
Erm.
“Yaaaas queen”. Etc.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 10, 2022 11:48:37 GMT
I must agree that there is no need for that sort of vocal embellishment. It doesn't make it more current or relevant.
It is an indulgence.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 10, 2022 11:50:21 GMT
I must agree that there is no need for that sort of vocal embellishment. It doesn't make it more current or relevant. It is an indulgence. That won’t be even the start of it. “Yaaaas Queen” all over the place, I can just tell. This isn’t for me. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 10, 2022 12:07:19 GMT
“Riff my kweeeeen!! Slaaaay! Slaaaaay!”
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 10, 2022 12:48:44 GMT
Yeah the "Ariana/Mariah-ryness" definitely isn't needed and sounds silly.
But if they get Ursula right I will forgive them literally everything.
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Post by margoc on Sept 10, 2022 12:58:22 GMT
Looks like a box ticking money grab to me, just like wicked.
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Post by stuartmcd on Sept 10, 2022 13:02:38 GMT
Well I think it looks quite wonderful
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Post by alicechallice on Sept 10, 2022 13:18:36 GMT
Yep. Exactly as expected. £20 saved. Ps. Part of your… Woooorrrr-huuuu-uuurllll-YAY-Yyeeeahhhh-mmmmmmmm-uhhhhh-uhhhhhhhuhhhhhh. £20?!!! You need to get yourself an Odeon Limitless card, dear. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 10, 2022 13:22:45 GMT
It’s only £4.99 at Vue Manchester. Any film, any time.
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 10, 2022 13:30:30 GMT
Well I think it looks quite wonderful Me too! Looks like robertb213 beat me to it posting the link. As one of my favourite Disney films, I couldn't have imagined it looking this good! The fish and the turtle. The fluidity of Ariels fins! So we get to see Ariel. The fact that she is of colour is not so much of an issue for me, as long as she can sing. her is red and they capture Ariel's fiesty determination. We also get a glimpse of Flounder. I'll be great to see Sebastian, Prince Eric, King Triton and Ursula. Also Scuttle, Flotsam & Jetson, Grimsby and Chef Louis. Maybe in future trailers? |
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Post by inthenose on Sept 10, 2022 14:45:05 GMT
Yep. Exactly as expected. £20 saved. Ps. Part of your… Woooorrrr-huuuu-uuurllll-YAY-Yyeeeahhhh-mmmmmmmm-uhhhhh-uhhhhhhhuhhhhhh. £20?!!! You need to get yourself an Odeon Limitless card, dear. Cineworld adult ticket - £10.20, petrol/parking approx £7. If I wanted popcorn and a Coca Cola, it’s closer to £25. |
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 10, 2022 16:17:05 GMT
Lots of silly comments spreading negativity online, mostly around the fact that she doesn't look EXACTLY like the animated Ariel. Doesn't bother me in the slightest and I'm looking forward to seeing it. They just need to calm those vocals down a tad.
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