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Post by justfran on Mar 14, 2023 21:12:29 GMT
Wow, that article completely misses the point (and I usually like reading The Guardian!).
The line, “The industry, you could argue, has partly driven this change itself with the rise of relaxed performances.” 🙄 I don’t think so! Relaxed performances were introduced with access in mind, for those who may not be able to or feel comfortable attending a “typical” performance for whatever reason.
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Post by A.Ham on Mar 14, 2023 22:37:41 GMT
Perhaps the theatres / producers could offer a new and differently named type of ‘access’ performance, for all those who want to get drunk, chat, rustle their crisps in the quiet bits, and singalong badly through the whole show. Then these awful audience members would have the opportunity to go along and behave badly, and hopefully wouldn’t book for the other performances in the run!
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Post by sph on Mar 14, 2023 22:41:25 GMT
Wow, that article completely misses the point (and I usually like reading The Guardian!). The line, “The industry, you could argue, has partly driven this change itself with the rise of relaxed performances.” 🙄 I don’t think so! Relaxed performances were introduced with access in mind, for those who may not be able to or feel comfortable attending a “typical” performance for whatever reason. Yes, exactly. The point of a relaxed performance is to allow those with access needs to attend a show. To suggest that doing so gives license to other audience members to get drunk and behave badly is ridiculous.
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Post by adamkinsey on Mar 15, 2023 12:57:38 GMT
Akbar always strikes me as a critic that doesn't really seem to like theatre all that much.
A friend of mine used to manage a theatre and refused to allow drinking in the auditorium. Never had any bad behaviour and audiences members never seemed to mind. Eventually some new trustees joined the board and pushed through overruling him to bring in drinking. There has been lots of bad behaviour since - although never at plays, only musicals and live music nights - and my friend has left management. The theatre concerned did boost its bar profits by 10% but complaints went through the roof and my friend left. The venue is now in a mess.
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 15, 2023 21:52:19 GMT
Wow, that article completely misses the point (and I usually like reading The Guardian!). The line, “The industry, you could argue, has partly driven this change itself with the rise of relaxed performances.” 🙄 I don’t think so! Relaxed performances were introduced with access in mind, for those who may not be able to or feel comfortable attending a “typical” performance for whatever reason. Is there any evidence that there are more problems at relaxed performances?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 10:53:52 GMT
Akbar always strikes me as a critic that doesn't really seem to like theatre all that much. A friend of mine used to manage a theatre and refused to allow drinking in the auditorium. Never had any bad behaviour and audiences members never seemed to mind. Eventually some new trustees joined the board and pushed through overruling him to bring in drinking. There has been lots of bad behaviour since - although never at plays, only musicals and live music nights - and my friend has left management. The theatre concerned did boost its bar profits by 10% but complaints went through the roof and my friend left. The venue is now in a mess. I find it bizarre that Akbar celebrates and champions the manner in which audiences across the Globe interact with theatre/performance but is seemingly unable to accept that we have our own culture around theatre attendance. If I was in Italy at the opera she attended - with the families eating pizzas - I would embrace that culture and not resort to the 'shushing'/telling looks that I may be inclined to do if I was watching a play at The National. I agree with you that she seems to dislike theatre and whatever faults Michael Billington had - and there were many - at least he clearly had a deep routed love for it. On a slight tangent, I find rent-a-controversial-quote Kirsty Sedgman - who seems to pop up like a whack-a-mole to offer opinions - equally bizarre as for someone with very strong opinions about Theatre she doesn't seem to actually attend plays... I've definitely noticed a decline in theatre etiquette over the last few years but am not certain what the solution is but it definitely isn't reducing the amount of cheaper tickets. Maybe every show to have a quick pre-recorded message about how to conduct yourself when watching a live performance and theatres should only sell soft sweets served in polystyrene cups?
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Post by alece10 on Mar 16, 2023 11:09:49 GMT
Mind you if you are bladdered before the show starts you will take zero notice of a reminder about behaviour during the show. Just look at how many people use their phones during a show or start ringing even after a pre show warning.
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Post by sph on Mar 16, 2023 13:20:46 GMT
I've always said what we need is a less polite and more direct approach to customer service. Staff in New York will eat you alive if you step out of line.
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Post by alece10 on Mar 16, 2023 15:24:14 GMT
Cattle prods or tasers for those in the middle of the rows is the way to go.
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Post by PhantomNcl on Mar 16, 2023 17:04:45 GMT
Cattle prods or tasers for those in the middle of the rows is the way to go. I asked for these to be built into the seats when our theatre was refurbished some years ago. "F20's got his phone out again" ZAP "H25 is singing along, drunk, and filming the show" ZAP ZAPPITY ZAP ZAP Or for us to have the facility to drop stalls seats into the basement where there'd be an usher standing by to slap the offending audience member, confiscate the phone, and send them back up again. Sadly both ideas were deemed impractical
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 16, 2023 17:51:37 GMT
I've sometimes wondered if a red laser pointer would work, as the offenders might think it's from a rifle spotting scope. "Hang on, why's there a red dot over my heart?"
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Post by marob on Mar 16, 2023 18:20:31 GMT
Was at An Inspector Calls in Liverpool yesterday. School kids everywhere, including one in my seat, who to be fair to him did move without me having to ask. All manner of sweets and snacks on show, including one girl passing around a cake, which was a first. Not a little cake either, one of those supermarket birthday cakes in a box.
It was the teachers I found annoying though. There was an announcement made from the stage that the show was late starting because of a problem with the comms, with the audience told to remain seated, but no the teachers were marching up and down the aisles.
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Post by adrianics on Mar 17, 2023 12:09:30 GMT
A different angle to bad behaviour at an amateur production last night. The usher at the theatre pointed us towards what turned out to be the wrong side of the aisle, which we only realised when we were already halfway down the row. Mortifying enough but we were pretty taken aback by the amount of snooty comments we got from the people letting us through. Everybody makes mistakes!
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Post by lynette on Mar 17, 2023 16:51:28 GMT
Was at An Inspector Calls in Liverpool yesterday. School kids everywhere, including one in my seat, who to be fair to him did move without me having to ask. All manner of sweets and snacks on show, including one girl passing around a cake, which was a first. Not a little cake either, one of those supermarket birthday cakes in a box. It was the teachers I found annoying though. There was an announcement made from the stage that the show was late starting because of a problem with the comms, with the audience told to remain seated, but no the teachers were marching up and down the aisles. Checking on the inmates.. you ever taken a school group to the theatre?
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Post by richey on Mar 17, 2023 21:29:46 GMT
So I've had an email from ATG looking forward to welcoming me to the show I've booked next week. There's quite a lengthy paragraph about behaviour (only performers should be on stage,anti- social behaviour won't be tolerated etc) but it's then followed by the numerous ways you can arrive early to purchase drinks, have drinks brought to your seat, order your interval drinks... so they really are encouraging a drinking culture
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Post by lynette on Mar 18, 2023 21:05:04 GMT
Sad to report this: matinee Guys and Dolls today - little kid, maybe 3 yrs old with mother behind us in Gallery 2. Didn’t stop talking. In the end someone went out ( not me actually ) and complained and they were asked to leave. Turns out they had another kid and adult sitting in front of them so I’m asking myself why didn’t one see the show and one look after the kids and then book again later in reverse. Too expensive? No, because in the end none of them saw the show at all. I sympathise with the parents, I really do, been there with the T shirts but I have never taken a kid into a show when he was too young for it and couldn’t keep quiet. I sympathise more with the kid who screamed the length of the foyer when taken out and whose parents have no idea. Harsh I know but there you are.
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Post by nick on Mar 19, 2023 10:24:29 GMT
Wow, that article completely misses the point (and I usually like reading The Guardian!). The line, “The industry, you could argue, has partly driven this change itself with the rise of relaxed performances.” 🙄 I don’t think so! Relaxed performances were introduced with access in mind, for those who may not be able to or feel comfortable attending a “typical” performance for whatever reason. Is there any evidence that there are more problems at relaxed performances? The only relaxed performance I've been to was a dog friendly performance and we were all impeccably behaved apart from the odd slobbering noise.
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Post by david on Mar 19, 2023 14:13:45 GMT
Is there any evidence that there are more problems at relaxed performances? The only relaxed performance I've been to was a dog friendly performance and we were all impeccably behaved apart from the odd slobbering noise. Was that from the dogs or members of the audience?
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 19, 2023 20:55:52 GMT
Any performances taking place that evening are going to be horribly disrupted as you can bet half the audience won't have their phones turned off so there will be alarms going off all over the place.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 19, 2023 21:00:27 GMT
It's a Sunday evening so there won't be a huge number of performances affected.
Evening church services on the other hand...
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Post by mkb on Mar 19, 2023 21:43:57 GMT
Lots of cinema screenings affected too. I'll readily admit I always ignore turn-your-phone-off injunctions and just silence it instead, so I'll have to be more obedient that night.
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Post by Jon on Mar 19, 2023 21:52:07 GMT
I assume if the phone is on airplane mode, it won't get the noise and message.
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Post by Dawnstar on Mar 19, 2023 21:59:27 GMT
It's a Sunday evening so there won't be a huge number of performances affected. Evening church services on the other hand... 5 WE shows have Sunday evening performances, per Theatremonkey, & 3 major London venues have concerts scheduled for that evening, per Bachtrack, so if you multiply that throughout the country there must be a fair number of performances that could be affected depending on the exact time of the alert. I'm afraid I don't belong to any churchgoing discussion boards to post the article on!
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Post by sukhavati on Mar 20, 2023 7:59:52 GMT
Mind you if you are bladdered before the show starts you will take zero notice of a reminder about behaviour during the show. Just look at how many people use their phones during a show or start ringing even after a pre show warning. I finished my shift shortly after the headliner went on last night and while waiting for the lift there were some people near me with a man complaining that he left early because of some fool next to him in the pit live streaming the set ("for his whole two followers"), with his phone brightness up all the way and feeling the need to describe what was happening - shouting, as it was a metal show. I will sometimes go up to the mezzanine to look down and see how a set is going, and the number of mobiles continuously lit up and pointed toward the stage is always surprising. I can understand capturing a verse or two, but what is the point of live music or live theatre if you're more focused on your mobile screen than on the performers? I've seen some artists flat out tell the audience to "put the f***ing phones away" but it does no good.
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Post by Fleance on Mar 20, 2023 8:20:41 GMT
Any performances taking place that evening are going to be horribly disrupted as you can bet half the audience won't have their phones turned off so there will be alarms going off all over the place.
Interesting that they chose the popular date for Shakespeare's birth (and death). “Be not afeard; the isle is full of noises, Sounds, and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not."
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