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Post by Michael on Dec 11, 2016 22:47:32 GMT
Please avoid (lengthy) full quotes when only referring to certain parts of posts. Thanks.
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Post by Steffi on Dec 12, 2016 7:00:17 GMT
I felt like a bad behaviour magnet at Jersey Boys yesterday. Couple in front of me had (it seems) fake tickets and were evicted by security after they refused to leave when an usher asked them to (the show had already started at that point). Girl next to me was on a coughing marathon throughout the show. And the group behind me kept passing a rustling bag of sweets through their row.
I tried to be as zen about it as possible.
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Post by CG on the loose on Dec 12, 2016 11:50:51 GMT
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Post by 49thand8th on Dec 12, 2016 13:25:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 8:14:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 10:51:53 GMT
We absolutely should make sure we welcome people who worry they might not be welcome in a theatre because they're less able to sit stiff-backed and fingers-on-lips for the entire duration. If those of us who are able to sit quietly all make sure that we do, then all the audience goodwill can go to the people who may need it, rather than being spent on some idiot who thinks they're in their own living room. When you do things like sing along or drink excessively or use your phone or argue with someone then you're going to rile people up and make them less amenable to being kind in future to people who, say, can't help but make involuntary noise. It's our responsibility to behave in a considerate fashion, and that doesn't only include not distracting the people around you, but also welcoming all sorts of people into the audience.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 11:52:08 GMT
As far as relaxed performances are concerned, every show that runs for more than a week or so should try to have at least one relaxed performance, and I'd venture to suggest that for shows that run longer than a handful of weeks some of those relaxed performances should be at weekends rather than tucked away at times when nobody else wants to see them. But to suggest that all performances should be relaxed comes across as a petulant "It's so unfair that everything's arranged around someone else's needs. Everything should be arranged around my needs!"
I have trouble hearing when there's background noise. I'm not deaf — my ability to hear is just fine — but as soon as the level of background noise starts to rise I lose the ability to separate out speech from everything else. I struggle in pubs if they get busy; clubs are right out. Talking to people in the street rarely works, and I can't use a mobile phone outside or anywhere where other people are speaking. Theatre and cinema I can manage if the audience is quiet, but if the sound effects are overdone then I can't follow what people are saying. The number of things I can do in the evening is limited as it is. If all performances were relaxed performances then I wouldn't be able to enjoy anything, ever.
There are loads of people with special requirements, but if you have special requirements then you need to accept that your requirements are special and you can't expect to get everything your way every time. It's great that steps are being taken to expand various forms of entertainment to people who would once have been left out — titling and signing for the deaf, touch tours for the blind, lights-on performances, commercial-and-trailer-free cinema screenings, wheelchair spaces that aren't added as an afterthought — and there should certainly be enough of all those things that it's never a case of people having to miss their one and only chance, but it should also never be the case that one group gets to have everything arranged to suit their own needs regardless of the effect on others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 12:08:17 GMT
I realise I should have ventured an opinion rather than just dropping the bomb and leaving!! But I felt so conflicted after watching that video. I was with her all the way about relaxed performances and catering to peoples differing needs but then when the idea was that all performances should be relaxed? How does that impact on the actors? Plus purely selfishly i know how irritated i get when people are talking or commenting on what's happening on the stage. Plus theatre/entertainment should be an escape and there will be people in the audience who work/live with people with special requirements, what about their need to relax?
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Post by firefingers on Dec 13, 2016 19:08:30 GMT
People who think all performances should be relaxed don't understand the differences made to productions for them be so. It's not just a case of leaving some house lights on and not minding when someone makes noise. Last time I did one we dropped sound levels (scary effects doubly so), removed lights that might blind or startle, cut all pyrotechnics, cut all smoke and dry ice, removed props that might make a situation more scary than it needed, redirected characters to talk more to the audience and be their friends as it were, removed row upon row of seats to allow for wheel chair access, reduced the seat number massively (think we dropped to a third capacity) to allow people to spread out and not feel claustrophobic, redeployed staff to make sure people were looked after, altered flying sequences so they got less close to the audience, and so on and so on. It affected the artistic direction of the show. It was a wonderful thing to do as a one off (show only ran 6 weeks), and the audience were massively appreciative but to tone things down to be acceptable for all at every performance isn't what we or they would want.
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Post by d'James on Dec 14, 2016 3:48:00 GMT
If all performances were relaxed, I would never go to the Theatre again. I suffer from severe anxiety and hypervigilance as a result. I always try to book an aisle seat in case 'something' goes wrong and I need to get out of there.
If I knew that there would be the chance of noise coming from any (and every) direction throughout the evening it would not be worth it (my chest is tightening even as I type).
I mean really, how would you define the relaxed performance, and how would you decide who it's meant to include.
I think that 'relaxed' performances should be specific. Certain disabilities are sensitive to light and some are specific to sound but others will love it the louder and brighter it is.
I definitely think there should be more 'relaxed' performances across the board. However, then you get into an argument about which disabilities are more 'important.' Of course important is the wrong word, and so you say 'common' or 'frequent.' There is no correct answer. However a noisy, bright, 'relaxed' performance would put a lot of autistic people off attending; well it would definitely put my autistic Godson off attending.
I have a cousin who is permanently brain-damaged, who would adore Stomp with added lights and explosions and my Godson would hate all of it and run from the auditorium in floods of tears. I therefore think the answer is more 'relaxed' performances, but specific performances.
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Post by firefingers on Dec 14, 2016 22:52:39 GMT
I'm currently mixing a panto which gives me a prime view of bad behaviour. Obviously panto is far more accepting and free form as far as what an audience can do but some recent stand outs include: a 10 year old approaching me at the sound desk mid-sole to ask if their was a power socket she could plug her phone into; a teacher who did not stop pissing about with her phone the entire time, not even to clap; a small child taking a "hands on" interest in some of my sound equipment and only when I noticed and approached him did their parent bother to do anything; a child professing very loudly for a good half-hour that he didn't like the show to which the parents only reaction was to shush him every so often (take the poor bugger home!)
They do shout out wonderful things though, them kids. My favourite this week was, as the Princess accepts the Prince's marriage proposal, a kid by me shouts "You only just met him!" which even the Princess later conceeded that it was a fair point.
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 19, 2016 19:20:05 GMT
Please avoid (lengthy) full quotes when only referring to certain parts of posts. Thanks. Michael, A good time here for one of your masterclass. I for one would love to find out how you part quote?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 1:54:55 GMT
Saturday, Madrid, Spanish production of Dirty Dancing. Woman in front row eats a bag of crisps, and decides the best place to leave the empty bag is... on stage. The show hadn't started yet, but come on, seriously?
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Post by Michael on Dec 20, 2016 4:53:59 GMT
Hold down the left mouse button and highlight text. When you release the button a "quick quote" button will appear. Click it, and the text will appear in the Quick Reply box. Or simply delete text from the (full-)quote.
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Post by aksis on Dec 20, 2016 7:49:18 GMT
Saturday at Jesus Christ Superstar in Amsterdam. The lady 1 seat over had been in an amateur production at some point and felt the need to tell her companions what the exact differences were in staging, clothes and singing. I decided to say something at the interval but obviously they came back 5 minutes late. The guy next to me finally understood my death stares somehwere around The Crucifixion and just grinned stupidly shrugged his shoulders and asked her who the guy on the right of the stage was supposed to be.
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Post by Snciole on Dec 20, 2016 9:10:31 GMT
I assume it was festive cheer but a hopefully drunk (though her behaviour seemed very early onset dementia too) older lady shouting out during A Christmas Carol (The Vaults), thankfully her relations told her to shut up but it did make me wonder about older audiences. If it isn't husbands snoring through a show I think with a longer living population that are physically healthy do we need to be prepared for those who , due to illness, behave inappropriately. I doubt theatres want to turn away these older patrons but I do wonder if they will become more problematic.
On the more youthful end of the scale a mother shouting at her teenage daughter at the end of the production so I think I want Snciole only performances now.
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Post by foxa on Dec 20, 2016 9:33:16 GMT
At the otherwise sublime 'She Loves Me' one member of the family in front of us got up twice, clomped up the stairs and back again. Then another did the same, but wasn't allowed back in until the interval Heard her say, 'I had to go to the loo. I've had three children. What do they expect?' Just a bit too much info there.
Meanwhile someone else during a very poignant bit got her coat and bag and exited. You could see the actors eyes slightly dart towards her as she crept out. It was so good I can only think she had a train to catch or something.
But I hear there was a mouse at another performance. Ours was entirely mouse-free.
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Post by Snciole on Dec 20, 2016 10:16:24 GMT
At the otherwise sublime 'She Loves Me' one member of the family in front of us got up twice, clomped up the stairs and back again. Then another did the same, but wasn't allowed back in until the interval Heard her say, 'I had to go to the loo. I've had three children. What do they expect?' Just a bit too much info there. Pelvic floor exercises and some Tena lady. I've taken to not drinking much at the theatre for this very reason, very rarely an interval or when there is the toilet is too far away with a massive queue. I haven't had children, I have an iron bladder but I'd be more prepared if I hadn't.
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Post by lynette on Dec 20, 2016 11:35:48 GMT
I've had three children and go before the play starts.
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Post by stuart on Dec 20, 2016 20:38:13 GMT
I was at Lazarus a few weeks ago and the audience were dreadfully behaved. It might have something to do with the incredibly uncomfortable theatre or the long running time with no interval but the amount of people who were in/out of their seats was ridiculous! Can you not hold you bladder or get drinks in before the show?! And that's despite the venue warning you multiple times (on arrival, in the foyer, before the show) that if you leave during the performance, there may be a considerable wait before you're allowed back in. Clearly wasn't the case that night. Or maybe they thought the passing sirens or noise overspill from the nearby pubs wasn't distracting enough already?
The woman behind me asked me to slouch about 3 songs in as she couldn't see a thing.. Even sitting up straight, I could only just about see the top third of the stage (and I'm over 6ft) due to the poor rake and another tall person in front of me. One of those situations where you want to be really good and let the person see, but know that in doing so will spoil what little of a view you actually have and that she still won't be able to see anything.
Guess that's what you get when you pay £15 to sit in Row ZF of a theatre...
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Post by foxa on Dec 20, 2016 21:06:33 GMT
Oh no! That's where my kids are sitting tomorrow. My son's tall but my daughter is titchy. Oh well.
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Post by foxa on Dec 20, 2016 21:10:50 GMT
I've had three children and go before the play starts. Yes, indeed. Perfectly possible to have a couple of kids and function at a high level ;-) But the idea that she shared the issue with the whole row was...interesting (but some people really like to overshare. Out of the blue I had a boss ask another colleague and I how often we got up in the middle of the night to wee. We looked startled and just shook our heads. He said, 'Guess it's just me then' and walked away. Think it was a misplaced attempt at intimacy but ....yeah.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 9:00:04 GMT
If it's the very back row, foxa, send her with a backpack full of coats. It makes for an excellent adult booster seat.
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Post by bellboard27 on Dec 21, 2016 12:01:55 GMT
Blimey, monkey, you seem to attract bad behaviour like a magnet!
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Post by bee on Dec 21, 2016 12:51:21 GMT
At the otherwise sublime 'She Loves Me' one member of the family in front of us got up twice, clomped up the stairs and back again. Then another did the same, but wasn't allowed back in until the interval Heard her say, 'I had to go to the loo. I've had three children. What do they expect?' Just a bit too much info there. Pelvic floor exercises and some Tena lady. I've taken to not drinking much at the theatre for this very reason, very rarely an interval or when there is the toilet is too far away with a massive queue. I haven't had children, I have an iron bladder but I'd be more prepared if I hadn't. This reminds me of the on-line survey I got after a visit to the RSC during the summer. One of the questions was "Did you have a drink from the bar at the interval?" to which I replied "No". This meant I got a follow up question saying "Why not?" with a number of options such as "too expensive", "couldn't get served" etc. I found myself forced to check the "other reason" option and write in "can't trust my bladder these days".
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