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Post by michaell8 on Jul 30, 2023 21:15:26 GMT
"legally can't" doesn't necessarily mean that they don't!
"drunk enough to be a nuisance" means that they shouldn't (legally) be served any more. And should actually be asked to leave if they are causing a nuisance.
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Post by A.Ham on Jul 30, 2023 21:46:39 GMT
Given the intensity of A Little Life, that kind of behaviour during the performance is even more shocking, ignorant and abhorrent than in most other shows. Cart them out, hose them down and send them home without a refund!
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Post by BVM on Jul 30, 2023 21:53:48 GMT
Given the intensity of A Little Life, that kind of behaviour during the performance is even more shocking, ignorant and abhorrent than in most other shows. Cart them out, hose them down and send them home without a refund! Yeah - it really affected me actually. Ended up spending whole of second half kinda on edge wondering what she was gonna do next :-( |
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Post by ceebee on Jul 30, 2023 21:54:06 GMT
People do realise that theatres legally can't serve people who are already drunk, you can't blame ATG for people who clearly can't handle their drink and suggesting they want only drunks is wrong. Maybe, though I see a fair few people (again, it's usually middle aged women) sneaking bottles of shop bought wine out of plastic bags to pour at their seat. It's pathetic really - how desperate do you need to be for a drink to go to such lengths? Accessorised alcoholism - "Oh, I'm at a show for 2.5 hours - I'd better tank myself up". It's classless and trampy. |
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Post by toomasj on Jul 30, 2023 21:57:10 GMT
People do realise that theatres legally can't serve people who are already drunk, you can't blame ATG for people who clearly can't handle their drink and suggesting they want only drunks is wrong. Maybe, though I see a fair few people (again, it's usually middle aged women) sneaking bottles of shop bought wine out of plastic bags to pour at their seat. It's pathetic really - how desperate do you need to be for a drink to go to such lengths? Accessorised alcoholism - "Oh, I'm at a show for 2.5 hours - I'd better tank myself up". It's classless and trampy. I quite enjoy a glass of red before the show and during the interval - but any more than that and I’d lose concentration on the show. I can happily wait for the train home to have a few more beers if I am so inclined. I’d hate the idea of travelling and paying good money for a show, then wasting it by being drunk and not remembering much that happens. A glass or two of wine can add to the enjoyment of an evening/meal - I don’t understand why people need to get sloshed at the theatre. |
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Post by ceebee on Jul 30, 2023 22:01:56 GMT
Maybe, though I see a fair few people (again, it's usually middle aged women) sneaking bottles of shop bought wine out of plastic bags to pour at their seat. It's pathetic really - how desperate do you need to be for a drink to go to such lengths? Accessorised alcoholism - "Oh, I'm at a show for 2.5 hours - I'd better tank myself up". It's classless and trampy. I quite enjoy a glass of red before the show and during the interval - but any more than that and I’d lose concentration on the show. I can happily wait for the train home to have a few more beers if I am so inclined. I’d hate the idea of travelling and paying good money for a show, then wasting it by being drunk and not remembering much that happens. A glass or two of wine can add to the enjoyment of an evening/meal - I don’t understand why people need to get sloshed at the theatre. Oh don't get me wrong - I love a nice glass of wine or a beer at a show, but I don’t sit there heckling the actors like Waldorf and Statler at a muppet AA meeting. I am curious as I very rarely see drunk men in the theatre. I guess they're all outside peeing in alleyways and cat calling women. "gwanmysangeddinthere... oi oi..." etc |
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Post by toomasj on Jul 30, 2023 22:07:04 GMT
I quite enjoy a glass of red before the show and during the interval - but any more than that and I’d lose concentration on the show. I can happily wait for the train home to have a few more beers if I am so inclined. I’d hate the idea of travelling and paying good money for a show, then wasting it by being drunk and not remembering much that happens. A glass or two of wine can add to the enjoyment of an evening/meal - I don’t understand why people need to get sloshed at the theatre. Oh don't get me wrong - I love a nice glass of wine or a beer at a show, but I don’t sit there heckling the actors like Waldorf and Statler at a muppet AA meeting. I am curious as I very rarely see drunk men in the theatre. I guess they're all outside peeing in alleyways and cat calling women. "gwanmysangeddinthere... oi oi..." etc I have a theory about that. Usually (and I am not angling for a fight about generalisation here, this is purely anecdotal, okay?) you don’t get groups of rowdy lads taking in a night at the theatre. Most men (again in my experience) are either there with a partner or alone, making it less likely they are on the lash, with the theatre as an excuse to do so. If “the girls” (referring to a group of 3 or more women) get together on the Chardonnay, this is where I have experienced 99% of my disturbances from the audience which doesn’t involve people checking/using phones. |
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Post by adambrown76 on Jul 30, 2023 22:17:24 GMT
Man going on his phone during the climactic moment of Accidental Death of an Anarchist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 23:36:15 GMT
You don't tend to ever see groups of straight lads at the theatre unless it is a comedian or maybe a tribute act IMO. I'm straight and I go to see a lot of shows but often alone or maybe with one or two friends, a couple of whom are gay. I've never heard or seen a group of gay guys who are tanked up at a play/musical probably because they want to enjoy the show.
I agree the drunken behaviour is nearly always of the female variety, guys go to the pub to get drunk or maybe a club but never really in a group at the theatre.
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Post by adamkinsey on Jul 31, 2023 10:02:03 GMT
I've seen a couple of drunk guys at a performance of Bat Out of Hell (I was dragged there) but otherwise, every other instance of bad behaviour due to drunkenness has been female.
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Post by toomasj on Jul 31, 2023 10:17:14 GMT
I've seen a couple of drunk guys at a performance of Bat Out of Hell (I was dragged there) but otherwise, every other instance of bad behaviour due to drunkenness has been female. I was thinking this - what shows would draw men who are likely to have a few too many. I had Bat Out of Hell and Only Fools and Horses. |
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Post by sukhavati on Jul 31, 2023 10:48:50 GMT
I think Sukhavti is saying that people may go to concerts as much to eye up the fans as watch the band and may look totally out of place. There is no age limit for what acts you may like but an older person being into say Olivia Rodrigo and having a good time at their concert is different to someone stood there with their eyes more on the fans than the act. Excellent point by MKB though, I'm all for a cougar or an older swinger going into Love Island for example or someone who isn't a looker. original9 is spot on. When the target audience is 13/14 year old girls and there are men who are 50 something there alone, and obviously watching the young girls (at least the ones with friends, not the ones with parents) it does bother me. A lot. At that age I got a lot of unwelcome attention myself from older men and it is never flattering when a girl is trying to puzzle out this in-between stage of being. It's just uncomfortable. |
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Post by lynette on Jul 31, 2023 12:36:23 GMT
When did it become more than ok, but actually de rigeur to take alcohol into the theatre auditorium? I’ve sat next to blokes with a pint in each hand! Water in a bottle for a cough yes, and a drink in the interval in the foyer or even in your seat but all through a show? So that’s my ‘alf pennyworth
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Post by vdcni on Jul 31, 2023 14:40:56 GMT
Sometimes I need a drink to dull the pain of the seats.
But yep, I usually take a drink into both acts Have never caused any disruption as a result.
People drink at similar events, as long as they aren't disruptive I don't understand the pearl clutching about doing it at the theatre.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 31, 2023 14:49:55 GMT
People drink at similar events, as long as they aren't disruptive I don't understand the pearl clutching about doing it at the theatre. Personally I really dislike the smell of beer and red wine so it's not much fun for me at a performance if I'm stuck next to someone whose drink is giving off an odour which is making me feel somewhat nauseous. |
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Post by yokollama on Jul 31, 2023 17:15:01 GMT
Generally no issues with people drinking, but some seem to overdo it. Drinking (especially alcohol) > bladder > toilets. I find it more of an issue at seated concerts, but the constant disruption when people get in/out of their seats (and they often return with more drinks in hand!).
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Post by BVM on Jul 31, 2023 17:31:13 GMT
Don’t think anyone has a problem with drinking at the theatre.
But it’s the Venn diagram innit.
Most people drinking do not cause antisocial behaviour (other than at The Bodyguard).
But most overly disruptive non phone based antisocial behaviour comes from ProseccHuns. Certainly at big musicals!
So it’s an obvious area to look at when thinking about addressing bad behaviour.
The complexity of the bio-psycho-social reasons as to why people are like this and how you’d intervene are nightmarish in their complexity sadly. I certainly don’t have an answer.
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Post by sph on Jul 31, 2023 23:42:29 GMT
No problem with people having a drink or two at the theatre. I just think it's unnecessary to turn up at a jukebox musical after doing a pub crawl and then have another four proseccos before the show has even started. I don't care if it's your hen do.
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Post by lynette on Aug 1, 2023 13:04:44 GMT
So far, objections are the smell, the getting up and down, and yes, the disruption with enebriated persons. So tell me, part from the profit the bar makes, what are the pros for alcohol in theatres. Not saying outside, or afterwards.. just inside auditorium.
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Post by londonpostie on Aug 1, 2023 13:43:23 GMT
Only experienced the alcohol thing once* though, if I was worried, the matinee options would look optimal. At a push, early in the week.
* strangely, I knew the man's boyfriend. They sat 3 seats away from me before Rafe Spall had them thrown out (Death of England, Dorfman, 8.00pm start time). Talking to people afterwards, they thought it was all part of the play.
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Post by intoanewlife on Aug 1, 2023 21:02:17 GMT
I agree the drunken behaviour is nearly always of the female variety. They also love their mobile phones far more than men do... |
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Post by ceebee on Aug 2, 2023 11:00:10 GMT
So far, objections are the smell, the getting up and down, and yes, the disruption with enebriated persons. So tell me, part from the profit the bar makes, what are the pros for alcohol in theatres. Not saying outside, or afterwards.. just inside auditorium. It's an interesting question. For many, people 'become' emotional when they've had too much to drink; in theatres the culture seems to be 'drink' to experience emotions. But isn't that what theatre is meant to do anyway? So excess alcohol merely fuels emotions, ruins the play or show for the individual and surrounding audience and sometimes the cast. It's a lose-lose. I love a glass of bubbles, white wine, pint of beer. Sometimes I enjoy one at the theatre (so I'm not saying ban booze). However, when people are getting lairy because they can't behave themselves after getting tanked up at the bottomless brunch, they should be denied access with no refunds. I am also interested in the gender aspect of theatre over-consumption of alcohol, as I know plenty of stereotypical blokes who get dragged along 'because the other half likes it' - I'd have thought a few pints of beer would help drown their woes, but you rarely see drunk men in theatres. (For me, only once in the last year - the widely reported "Bat Out Of Hell" incident, where I think the person concerned had far deeper issues than alcohol going on.) |
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Post by londonpostie on Aug 2, 2023 11:08:30 GMT
I agree the drunken behaviour is nearly always of the female variety. They also love their mobile phones far more than men do...
From Gen Z onwards, it is a dependency or addiction. Hard-wired in. So it will get more and more prevalent as today's children grow older and begin to buy tickets. Theatres will have to become more and more explicit about the use of phones. Atm, we're in some middling place.
An interesting area might be the combination of alcohol and phones; booze increasing a desire to check your phone .. again.
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Post by cavocado on Aug 2, 2023 11:22:34 GMT
They also love their mobile phones far more than men do...
From Gen Z onwards, it is a dependency or addiction. Hard-wired in. So it will get more and more prevalent as today's children grow older and begin to buy tickets. Theatres will have to become more and more explicit about the use of phones. Atm, we're in some middling place.
One of the (many) things I like about theatre is having to put away my phone and the ease with which quiet and darkness allow me to focus on one thing for a couple of hours - increasingly difficult in other areas of life. Maybe theatre could be marketed as a fun way to escape screen dependence for an evening? |
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Post by londonpostie on Aug 2, 2023 11:24:56 GMT
I suspect they really don't want to escape. They can't even wait until the interval. They want a kind of equal presence, treating a trip to the theatre like streaming tv - on your sofa = in your seat, switching attention from the phone to the stage as the drama becomes a bit more interesting, and then back.
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