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Post by jojo on Apr 15, 2022 11:59:46 GMT
From an interview with the chief exective of ENO:
Given how hard it can be for "ordinary" FOH to deal with badly behaved audience members, I'm not sure that hiring a number of disabled FOH staff is going to help on that front. While the majority of opera audiences are usually reasonably well-behaved, one can only hope that next seasons musical(s) at the Coliseum won't be the sort to attract rowdy & drunken audience members.
That's interesting. I wonder if that percentage is for people of working age? Don't forget that there are a lot of invisible disabilities, such as asthma or diabetes that most people would never know about. Rightly or wrongly, A lot of people with invisible disabilities don't like to mention it in a job application as they worry about employers who might assume it's too much hassle. The other side of things is that someone who might think it's OK to be awkward or abusive to someone who seems fully abled, might be more circumspect if the member of staff has a visible disability.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 15, 2022 12:02:57 GMT
Anissa can’t be that young if she’s loved his work for years. Im totally with Alex and I don’t think people should be encouraged to visit the stage door at all so I think he’s doing the right thing by blanking them. The minute you give something people will want more and more. Take,take, take. Just ban the whole ridiculous Stage Door thing. Kids? I don’t care! Get yourself home and go to bed. It’s late! 😌
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 15, 2022 12:25:58 GMT
The other side of things is that someone who might think it's OK to be awkward or abusive to someone who seems fully abled, might be more circumspect if the member of staff has a visible disability. While it would be nice if people felt like that, I fear that audience members who are prepared to be abusive to FOH staff may well be even worse to someone who has a visible disability because they feel they might be able to intimidate them more easily.
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Post by inthenose on Apr 15, 2022 14:22:48 GMT
Pre social media really were the halcyon years.
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Post by marob on Apr 15, 2022 14:40:27 GMT
People have been asked since theatres reopened not to show up at stage doors, so what are they expecting? They should be grateful that anyone gives them the time of day. Clearly people are taking as much notice of the signs telling them to go away as they are of the ones asking them to wear masks. Whoever mans the stage doors need to have a few words.
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Post by ptwest on Apr 15, 2022 17:24:43 GMT
“Stage door makes a person famous”. Really? Not their acting or the roles they get? Someone is confusing talent with social media “celebrity”.
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Post by jojo on Apr 15, 2022 18:25:41 GMT
That whole thing is just a load of bollox.
Even pre-COVID I've thought no fan is entitled to a stage door interaction, and yes, a wave or hello from someone rushing past might be nice, but I don't trust someone who thinks they are entitled to a full on meet-and-greet experience to give an accurate version of events.
It's fair to say that the social media posts documenting stage door experiences can boost an actor's own social media following, and it might bring a few extra bums on seats to see them in a subsequent production, but it is a small, niche and artificial form of celebrity. And probably not worth the hassle for an actor who is able to get jobs via good old fashioned being talented enough and being spotted by the right people at the right time. The right people being casting directors.
If actors enjoy saying hello, that's great. But even those who sometimes enjoy a chat might want to get away quickly some nights, either because their not in the mood, or have somewhere else to be. There should be no expectation that they pause to justify their not stopping to pose for photos or chat.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 15, 2022 18:37:16 GMT
There isn’t a celebrity on this earth who I feel the need to have a personal interaction with. I don’t understand what people want or need from it. I know I’m in the minority, fandom is a real and huge thing, but to me it can only lead to disappointment. Why would that shining star up on stage or screen be anything like it in real life? It puts a massive amount of pressure on actors and I can only imagine that the ones who participate in it are enjoying the “love” a bit too much. You’ve just had people applauding you fir 2 hours.. isn’t that enough?
Ban it.
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Post by sph on Apr 15, 2022 21:43:20 GMT
I've never been a stage door person. I just don't see the point. I mean, ok, so I meet the person I saw perform but... so what? That interaction won't be remembered by them. To them I'm just another audience member. And the fans who go to the stage door often enough that they think they "know" the actors? Weird behaviour.
It's nice to get a signed programme as a souvenir I guess, but that's about it.
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Post by og on Apr 16, 2022 8:52:16 GMT
It's such a bizarre concept/obsession when you think about it. No-one waits outside the office to greet their favourite banker/administrator/HR person when they finish work.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 16, 2022 9:24:52 GMT
Just looking at the melee around Jodie Comer in the Prima Facie thread. The people’s faces. It’s a very particular type of behaviour and one I cannot get my head around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 9:35:00 GMT
No-one waits outside the office to greet their favourite banker/administrator/HR person when they finish work. To be fair, having a favourite HR person is like having a favourite injury. It's not a thing.
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Post by wiggymess on Apr 16, 2022 9:42:34 GMT
Seeing the Jodie Comer footage, I can only assume it's a social media/bragging rights type thing.
A few years back we hung about near the stage door after a matinee of Dead Funny, solely to shake Ralf Little's hand - The Royle Family has always been incredibly important to me and I didn't know if I'd get the chance again. But it did feel really awkward and it was a wait and see type situation- reading the body language to see if it was appropriate to approach them. As it turns out the whole cast came over to us/another couple who were waiting, they were all really lovely and we got our programmes signed.
I appreciate it's a completely different audience but there definitely are ways of doing it respectfully. What's the point if you're forcing them into it?
But this was pre-covid of course, and the fact Jodie Comer had a mask on made me feel even worse for her.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 16, 2022 9:50:02 GMT
And as has been said a million times here, you’re not wearing a mask to protect yourself, you’re wearing it to protect other people from you. Any actor participating in this stuff is putting themselves at risk of catching other peoples diseases which is exactly the point the actor whose choice NOT to do it started this discussion.
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Post by anita on Apr 16, 2022 9:51:37 GMT
Before covid there were some actors who actively encouraged their fans to come to the Stage Door after a show. However that was as I said "Before covid". I wouldn't dream of doing so now. [And hadn't for some years.]
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Post by jojo on Apr 16, 2022 10:00:37 GMT
I was going to say that I cringe at the thought of speaking to an actor at the stage door, and while I've seen the thrill some people get from it - it's alien to me. Then I remembered I said "thanks" to Ian McKellan when he was holding a bucket on the way out of his one man show, and that was nice. But he chose to be there, I was walking past him anyway and I stuck a tenner in his bucket.
Almost all of my favourite celebrities don't use social media, or use it sparingly. I am not a fan of fame for the sake of fame, and I think I'm more drawn to singers/actors/sporting stars who see celebrity as an unfortunate by-product of their job, rather than the goal. And even the nicest and smartest of celebrities will eventually say something stupid.
However, I understand not everyone is like me, and the desire by many to take the opportunity to say hello, or get something signed is normal enough if you are a teenager. For many it's a way of extending the experience, and is the cherry on the cake of a day out. On the other hand, it's not vaguely healthy for adults to pester actors at the stage door, and those who go to the same stage door week after week under the assumption that actors (aka professional liars) are thrilled to see them, really do need to have a think about their priorities.
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Post by theoracle on Apr 16, 2022 11:47:15 GMT
Whilst I agree stage door is not a right and it's completely an actor's choice whether or not they want to meet audience members after a show, I do want to add that when an interaction is had, it can really make someone's day. I remember having a hard day at work and all my troubles vanished when I got to go and see Hansard at NT and the cherry on the cake was meeting Alex Jennings and Lindsay Duncan afterwards just to exchange a few words. I was smiling all the way back home and was still beaming the following morning. Now I recognise there are some people who take it waaaay too far and really ruin the experience, stage door has been a long tradition and for the most part can be a really lovely way to finish the day for both the audience member and the actor too. I don't think we should tar everyone who wants to stage door under the same brush therefore. Whilst I personally haven't been to a stage door since 2019/2020, I can understand why people want to have that exchange again but under the condition that safety is thought of and courtesy is given to the actor too.
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Post by lynette on Apr 16, 2022 19:15:59 GMT
The first time I went round to the stage door was for Lenny the Lion when I was quite small. But since then I haven’t bothered. It is nice if you see one of the performers you have just enjoyed the work of as you walk away ( easily done at Stratford -upon -Avon) and you can say so, just briefly but I’m always aware of how tired they must be. My regret though is not stage dooring the Beatles back in the day at the two concerts I attended. I could have made myself a nice little nest egg. 😂
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Post by inthenose on Apr 16, 2022 19:30:04 GMT
The first time I went round to the stage door was for Lenny the Lion when I was quite small. But since then I haven’t bothered. It is nice if you see one of the performers you have just enjoyed the work of as you walk away ( easily done at Stratford -upon -Avon) and you can say so, just briefly but I’m always aware of how tired they must be. My regret though is not stage dooring the Beatles back in the day at the two concerts I attended. I could have made myself a nice little nest egg. 😂 You had done, with their reputation, you might've ended up laying one, so maybe for the best...
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Post by lynette on Apr 16, 2022 21:39:37 GMT
The first time I went round to the stage door was for Lenny the Lion when I was quite small. But since then I haven’t bothered. It is nice if you see one of the performers you have just enjoyed the work of as you walk away ( easily done at Stratford -upon -Avon) and you can say so, just briefly but I’m always aware of how tired they must be. My regret though is not stage dooring the Beatles back in the day at the two concerts I attended. I could have made myself a nice little nest egg. 😂 You had done, with their reputation, you might've ended up laying one, so maybe for the best... I was underage. 😂
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Post by sfsusan on Apr 16, 2022 22:36:05 GMT
My regret though is not stage dooring the Beatles back in the day at the two concerts I attended. I could have made myself a nice little nest egg. 😂 I used to stage door at all the concerts I went to (in Southern California in the mid- to late-60s, so saw some big names). It wasn't until years later that I figured out why some girls always got in to 'see' the band and my very naive friends and I didn't. (Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane was the best! She signed autographs for us and when I asked for one more for my friend who had to stay home with tonsilitis, she sketched two angry tonsils above her signature.)
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Post by Jon on Apr 16, 2022 23:19:28 GMT
I'm always amazed when people stop anyone famous in the street for a selfie, I'm far too socially awkward to even approach them. The only time I've ever chatted to someone famous and in my case it was Russell Tovey was at an event at the Royal Court but when they're not working, I leave them well alone.
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Apr 16, 2022 23:23:07 GMT
I'm always amazed when people stop anyone famous in the street for a selfie, I'm far too socially awkward to even approach them. Me too!! I've seen so many of my favourite theatre actors off-duty, but I could not fathom going up to them to ask for a pic or a chat.
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Post by marob on Apr 17, 2022 16:41:50 GMT
Jersey Boys, yet again…
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Post by richey on Apr 17, 2022 17:34:52 GMT
Apparently there was a show stop during Dirty Dancing last night due to a fight in the audience
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