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Post by ceebee on Sept 6, 2024 10:49:33 GMT
Okay - here's an idea. Set up a ticket platform (call it Dynamo perhaps) and make it a non-exclusive club (a bit like ATG+) whereby you can enrol as a member for a modest fee. This then gives you (1) priority access (2) streamlines your buying lane so that you are immune to dynamic pricing and you pay the "list" price which is predetermined and published beforehand. You are restricted to (for example) buying four tickets through this process and all tickets are assigned to the buyer who can not sell them on for more than 10% of list price.
This would choke/restrict touts overnight as the buyer would have to provide valid name, address and bank details on an individual user/member basis, whilst ticking the box for those who dislike dynamic pricing, who choose to pay a little extra through membership to bypass the bunfight and pay a fair price through a fair access scheme.
Basically, beat Ticketmaster at their own game by ringfencing the ticket prices, prospective purchasers, and protecting artist/producer integrity through a fair, valid, non-extortionate selling process.
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Post by mkb on Sept 7, 2024 12:10:45 GMT
Okay - here's an idea. Set up a ticket platform (call it Dynamo perhaps) and make it a non-exclusive club (a bit like ATG+) whereby you can enrol as a member for a modest fee. This then gives you (1) priority access (2) streamlines your buying lane so that you are immune to dynamic pricing and you pay the "list" price which is predetermined and published beforehand. You are restricted to (for example) buying four tickets through this process and all tickets are assigned to the buyer who can not sell them on for more than 10% of list price. This would choke/restrict touts overnight as the buyer would have to provide valid name, address and bank details on an individual user/member basis, whilst ticking the box for those who dislike dynamic pricing, who choose to pay a little extra through membership to bypass the bunfight and pay a fair price through a fair access scheme. Basically, beat Ticketmaster at their own game by ringfencing the ticket prices, prospective purchasers, and protecting artist/producer integrity through a fair, valid, non-extortionate selling process. Why allow a 10% mark-up and not 0%? I have often passed on tickets for events I could no longer attend -- I could have sold some Liverpool FC tickets for £1,000+ -- and have never asked for or received more than face value (apart from sometimes accepting the unsought offer of a pint as a thank you). I'd prefer there was always a mechanism for returning tickets for sold-out events to the point of sale for full credit, so that they can be reallocated more fairly to the next eligible buyer on the waiting list, but that is rarely how it's organised, so whoever you pass them on to independently is effectively a very lucky queue-jumper.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 7, 2024 19:52:12 GMT
Okay - here's an idea. Set up a ticket platform (call it Dynamo perhaps) and make it a non-exclusive club (a bit like ATG+) whereby you can enrol as a member for a modest fee. This then gives you (1) priority access (2) streamlines your buying lane so that you are immune to dynamic pricing and you pay the "list" price which is predetermined and published beforehand. You are restricted to (for example) buying four tickets through this process and all tickets are assigned to the buyer who can not sell them on for more than 10% of list price. This would choke/restrict touts overnight as the buyer would have to provide valid name, address and bank details on an individual user/member basis, whilst ticking the box for those who dislike dynamic pricing, who choose to pay a little extra through membership to bypass the bunfight and pay a fair price through a fair access scheme. Basically, beat Ticketmaster at their own game by ringfencing the ticket prices, prospective purchasers, and protecting artist/producer integrity through a fair, valid, non-extortionate selling process. Why allow a 10% mark-up and not 0%? I have often passed on tickets for events I could no longer attend -- I could have sold some Liverpool FC tickets for £1,000+ -- and have never asked for or received more than face value (apart from sometimes accepting the unsought offer of a pint as a thank you). I'd prefer there was always a mechanism for returning tickets for sold-out events to the point of sale for full credit, so that they can be reallocated more fairly to the next eligible buyer on the waiting list, but that is rarely how it's organised, so whoever you pass them on to independently is effectively a very lucky queue-jumper. [br Liverpool FC will take your tickets
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Post by jojo on Sept 8, 2024 10:26:48 GMT
Dealing with Ticketmaster directly would be challenging (but not impossible) for the government, but I think they can more easily start by cracking down on touts by making reselling at a profit much harder. If you can reduce the number of touts in the ticket queue it would go a long way to resolving the other issues.
There are situations where dynamic pricing is legitimate, and legislating in such a way as to allow reasonable situations, but not the ones we don't like, would be complex. However, I think for things like concert or theatre tickets, then there can be an 'early bird' price, which should be locked in for a certain period. It should be long enough to allow everyone who knows they want to buy a ticket to have the chance to do so. I'd suggest a minimum of a week.
The galling thing about Oasis pushing up their prices is it's driven purely by greed and ego. The only risk for putting on the tour is they'll fall out before it starts. The costs will be very predictable, and it always seems a bit rich that the bigger the venue with economies of scale still mean higher ticket prices than venues with better acoustics and where you get a good view. At least when Take That did the Circus tour they put the money into a great big mechanical elephant, and a very large cast of supporting performers and musicians. I suspect the closest Oasis get to a costume change is to switch guitars.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 8, 2024 10:36:28 GMT
I don’t see how touts can be criticised if the idea of dynamic pricing (both up and down) is supported. Touts are doing exactly the same as the official agencies are, responding to demand.
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Post by Marwood on Sept 8, 2024 12:39:47 GMT
So I get an email in the early hours saying they have recognised me as a ‘proper’ fan, inviting me to complete even more online forms, wait another 4 hours for a response to then be told they will let me know by next Friday if I can have a look at what is on offer. I’m rapidly losing interest in these shows and do not want and the armada of ‘amusing’ memes that have been bunged my way.
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Post by properjob on Sept 8, 2024 12:55:09 GMT
I don’t see how touts can be criticised if the idea of dynamic pricing (both up and down) is supported. Touts are doing exactly the same as the official agencies are, responding to demand. I think there are two things here. I would argue (and I think the authorities might think in a similar way) that it wasn't dynamic pricing as the demand wasn't really changing it was known in advance that it would sell out that day. This for me is different to aeroplane tickets prices changing at different slow rates over the months before a flight. The second thing is who is getting the money and what they do with it. This may well differ between music tours and theatre. I don't think most people that put money into theatre shows either expect or actually get it back most of the time. That is the difference for me. I belive theatres and theatre investors that have a hit will be either making money back they lost on other shows or will likely put most of their profits back into other shows. The touts and I include companies that are associated with ticketmaster in this, are putting the profits in thier pockets.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 8, 2024 15:43:41 GMT
. At least when Take That did the Circus tour they put the money into a great big mechanical elephant, and a very large cast of supporting performers and musicians. I suspect the closest Oasis get to a costume change is to switch guitars. I am going to be pedantic and point out that the elephant was actually a puppet worked by dancers (a lady called Bryony was the tail). It was the Progress tour where they had a huge mechanical man - which broke down constantly! I agree entirely that it feels very different to pay top dollar for an evening out when you can see the money has been spent on the show and that a whole load of other performers and craftspeople have been employed by it. At least to us theatre-types, anyway. (Take That’s current tour is not nearly so spectacular, by the way, so the budget must have been cut considerably. I paid £132 to see them at the O2 this year so Oasis’ starting price was actually pretty average.) I am sure hard-core Oasis fans are perfectly happy to see the brothers together on stage wearing parkas and bucket hats.
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Post by nick on Sept 8, 2024 16:09:37 GMT
I think there are two things here. I would argue (and I think the authorities might think in a similar way) that it wasn't dynamic pricing as the demand wasn't really changing it was known in advance that it would sell out that day. This for me is different to aeroplane tickets prices changing at different slow rates over the months before a flight. I agree that they knew demand would be high and this wasn't dynamic pricing. So what I don't get is why the tickets weren't priced at the higher level to start with. They knew they could sell them ten times over. I assume the answer is they didn't want the publicity of "look these prices are crazy high" but.......
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Post by Mark on Sept 8, 2024 18:36:51 GMT
Ballot entered so fingers crossed. Id imagine the on-sale might be this weekend if the notification emails will go out by Friday.
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Post by mkb on Sept 9, 2024 10:24:06 GMT
... I suspect the closest Oasis get to a costume change is to switch guitars. I don't know. Liam may switch from his Stone Island jacket to a Pretty Green one just before the encore.
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Post by Marwood on Sept 9, 2024 19:56:24 GMT
Ballot entered so fingers crossed. Id imagine the on-sale might be this weekend if the notification emails will go out by Friday. I hope it’s Saturday cos I entered another ballot to see Jack White in Islington on Friday and I’d hate to miss out on the event of our lifetimes because I didn’t spend the whole day looking for another massive online queue to jump into.
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Post by Mark on Sept 9, 2024 20:18:04 GMT
Marwood Well the Imagine Dragons onsale is Friday for Tottenham so I doubt ticketmaster would be putting two Stadium concert artists on sale on the same date.
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Post by jojo on Sept 12, 2024 16:16:08 GMT
I don’t see how touts can be criticised if the idea of dynamic pricing (both up and down) is supported. Touts are doing exactly the same as the official agencies are, responding to demand. Part of the problem is that the ticket agencies use touts as the excuse to engage in their own dodgy practices, or to hike up tickets well beyond a healthy profit after costs. They claim that if they don't charge silly money then all that happens is the touts make a bigger profit, and less goes to the theatre. Without touts then they are forced to be more honest about their motives. I have no objection to producers making a healthy profit, especially when it isn't always guaranteed, but there's profit and profiteering, and we're seeing a bit too much of the latter for my liking. It's not at all the same thing as offering cheaper flights to those comfortable flying on Friday 13th, or mid-week.
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Post by Marwood on Sept 13, 2024 19:49:03 GMT
So this second ballot for ‘true’ fans has been and gone and no one I know got lucky: the whole exercise seemed pointless, just stirring up a big bowl of porridge that is rapidly going cold. As there were estimates of 12 million trying to get tickets in the first sale, what was the point of sending them all email and then saying they were deluged by the response?
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Post by Mark on Sept 13, 2024 21:54:18 GMT
Failed to get a ballot entry. Oh well.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 15, 2024 9:22:48 GMT
I always take those estimates of people trying with a pinch of salt - particularly these days, when we know that there’s bots and AI around.
It’s not particularly hard for one person to look like half an dozen even if you don’t have access to advanced tech. I have 4 devices with the ability to register a unique email address, open a Ticketmaster account, and connect to a queue just sitting around the house.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 15, 2024 15:55:38 GMT
12 million? I can’t believe it. Where’s that from?
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Post by jojo on Sept 17, 2024 8:45:22 GMT
I always take those estimates of people trying with a pinch of salt - particularly these days, when we know that there’s bots and AI around. It’s not particularly hard for one person to look like half an dozen even if you don’t have access to advanced tech. I have 4 devices with the ability to register a unique email address, open a Ticketmaster account, and connect to a queue just sitting around the house. Assuming this figure comes from someone with an interest in using the biggest possible number for dramatic effect, I bet they've assumed that each person expressing an interest (on each device) represents four people (the maximum number of tickets per person). I've not read the full policy motion so I'm sure there is much more to it, but at this weekend's LibDem conference there was proposal to require any resale sites to limit the number of tickets any individual can re-sell to the maximum they were allowed to buy in the first place. Clearly it wouldn't be that hard to get around that one with multiple accounts, but it seems crazy that wasn't something that is already happening. I don't think there will ever be a full-proof way of stopping the touts, but there are a lot of things that can and should be done to make it that bit harder for them.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 17, 2024 15:52:36 GMT
I always take those estimates of people trying with a pinch of salt - particularly these days, when we know that there’s bots and AI around. It’s not particularly hard for one person to look like half an dozen even if you don’t have access to advanced tech. I have 4 devices with the ability to register a unique email address, open a Ticketmaster account, and connect to a queue just sitting around the house. Assuming this figure comes from someone with an interest in using the biggest possible number for dramatic effect, I bet they've assumed that each person expressing an interest (on each device) represents four people (the maximum number of tickets per person). And it kinda doesn’t matter, because with 1.4 million tickets on sale dividing the estimated 12 million by 8 still leads to more people than tickets available. The hype will still work as long as demand outstrips supply.
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Post by Mark on Sept 27, 2024 12:59:57 GMT
No Dymanic pricing for Coldplay - and they've sold out all 10 Wembley dates! Very impressive.
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Post by longinthetooth on Sept 27, 2024 13:10:15 GMT
No Dymanic pricing for Coldplay - and they've sold out all 10 Wembley dates! Very impressive. And by the look of it, most of those tickets are up for resale on Twitter!
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Post by Mark on Sept 27, 2024 13:15:23 GMT
No Dymanic pricing for Coldplay - and they've sold out all 10 Wembley dates! Very impressive. And by the look of it, most of those tickets are up for resale on Twitter! Most of those accounts will be fake/scams. Same for Taylor Swift, same for Oasis. I bet so many people get scammed (although I did buy a £50 Taylor Swift ticket last minute off Facebook, just gotta find a real person). I managed 3x tickets for £58 each in the presale for Coldplay, not bad at all.
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Post by Marwood on Sept 30, 2024 16:23:34 GMT
They’ve announced shows in North America and Mexico in August and September next year , inviting people to sign up for another ballot: they can stick their ballots up their holes, the size of the venues seems more than a bit optimistic for a band that never took off properly over there.
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Post by talkingheads on Sept 30, 2024 22:50:37 GMT
They’ve announced shows in North America and Mexico in August and September next year , inviting people to sign up for another ballot: they can stick their ballots up their holes, the size of the venues seems more than a bit optimistic for a band that never took off properly over there. Also promised no dynamic pricing for Americans, seems like it's only fine to fleece the UK fans.
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