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Post by lemiz1862 on Sept 19, 2024 10:20:40 GMT
directors always hold the liberty to decide what they want to put on. The arts are free for anything. That's your right as a creator. True but it's also producers liberty to decide what they produce and what they don't. That's why I find the whole equity "censorship" argument silly, the director is free to put the show on wherever they like but it's never a producers obligation to produce work.
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Post by Jon on Sept 19, 2024 10:28:11 GMT
directors always hold the liberty to decide what they want to put on. The arts are free for anything. That's your right as a creator. True but it's also producers liberty to decide what they produce and what they don't. That's why I find the whole equity "censorship" argument silly, the director is free to put the show on wherever they like but it's never a producers obligation to produce work. The arts are free to an extent, it's also a business and it seems that the REX probably had reservations about some of the themes and the creatives wouldn't budge.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Sept 19, 2024 12:17:15 GMT
This is all true but what does "acting within your contract" mean in a theatre context where none of this is spelled out in the contract?
If you've done everything according to your contract, then the venue changes their minds (or choses not to oversee the production till last minute) are creatives really supposed to have zero rights or creative control over their own work? The venue says jump, creatives say how high?
Yes, venues/ADs have the right to decide what to stage and what not to stage, but the proper time to exercise that right is when saying yes or no. Once you've said yes, you've effectively handed the steering wheel over to someone else.
REM and Suz Bell in particular is notorious for micromanaging, demanding lots and lots of re-writes, lots and lots of changes, all the way through the process and all the way up to press night. I know writers who have had to do something like 20 or 30 redrafts for REM which is almost unheard of once a play has been accepted for production. On one production, REM artistic leadership tried to make the writer write a substantial new draft the morning of press night, so the cast would be forced to go and perform dialogue they'd learned a few hours earlier. The creative team pushed back because it's not realistic or fair to put actors in that position, with unrehearsed material which had never been tested by being performed in front of a preview audience, in front of all the critics.
Outwith REM productions, the James Graham Sketching play (the "collaboratively written" project created to be a launch pad for new writers) the venue tried to fire half the writers, introduced a rule late in the process after it had been written that at least 50% had to be written by Graham alone which meant all the other pieces had to be cut in half and the overall structure changed, and the venue also changed the name from 'Sketching' to 'James Graham's Sketching'. Because the venue didn't want to support emerging writers which was the entire point of the project, they just wanted to be able to say they had the latest James Graham play. Graham had the weight to be able to push back. Should he have acceded? The finished product really wasn't great but I've heard a few people say that the original draft before all the venue interference was much better. Sometimes creatives know what works for a production better than venue staff do.
But on the other hand, part of Dream's issue was that the Palestine and trans stuff was poorly integrated into the production. And like I said strong personalities. I doubt it was a case of the director being asked to told "remove a piece of stage design or we'll cancel the show" and saying no. Nothing is ever that simple.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 19, 2024 12:32:06 GMT
Yes, venues/ADs have the right to decide what to stage and what not to stage, but the proper time to exercise that right is when saying yes or no. Once you've said yes, you've effectively handed the steering wheel over to someone else. REM and Suz Bell in particular is notorious for micromanaging, demanding lots and lots of re-writes, lots and lots of changes, all the way through the process and all the way up to press night. I know writers who have had to do something like 20 or 30 redrafts for REM which is almost unheard of once a play has been accepted for production. On one production, REM artistic leadership tried to make the writer write a substantial new draft the morning of press night, so the cast would be forced to go and perform dialogue they'd learned a few hours earlier. The creative team pushed back because it's not realistic or fair to put actors in that position, with unrehearsed material which had never been tested by being performed in front of a preview audience, in front of all the critics. Outwith REM productions, the James Graham Sketching play (the "collaboratively written" project created to be a launch pad for new writers) the venue tried to fire half the writers, introduced a rule late in the process after it had been written that at least 50% had to be written by Graham alone which meant all the other pieces had to be cut in half and the overall structure changed, and the venue also changed the name from 'Sketching' to 'James Graham's Sketching'. Because the venue didn't want to support emerging writers which was the entire point of the project, they just wanted to be able to say they had the latest James Graham play. Graham had the weight to be able to push back. Should he have acceded? The finished product really wasn't great but I've heard a few people say that the original draft before all the venue interference was much better. Sometimes creatives know what works for a production better than venue staff do. ugh that sounds like a nightmare place to put a production on tbh
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Post by zahidf on Sept 20, 2024 14:10:54 GMT
www.thestage.co.uk/news/news/exclusive-royal-exchange-director-stef-odriscoll-breaks-silence-on-show-cancellationFrom the director Characters in her production, set against the rave scene of Manchester, "expressed solidarity with trans people and the people of Palestine in a rap performed by a trans politically conscious mechanical". • Executive staff stated that the production could not go on unless the phrases “trans rights” and “Free Palestine” were removed. • The reason given was "safety", with concerns cited about potential audience protests and press backlash. • The rap in question was created in rehearsals two weeks before the dress rehearsal, during which numerous "staff members had access to the content via recordings, and some witnessed it first-hand during run-throughs". However, she said concerns were not raised until the day before a dress run. • In the final week of preparing to open the show, she said there had been "knee-jerk censorship". The venue said the show could include trans rights, but not mention Palestine, although it eventually allowed a "small badge to represent Palestinian solidarity". She claimed it was "categorically forbidden to say ‘Free Palestine’ verbally". • After a week of artistic debate and "emotional toil", O’Driscoll decided she would not "proceed under these conditions and made the difficult decision to step away from the show".
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 20, 2024 14:40:38 GMT
Now we need to hear the other side
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Post by nash16 on Sept 20, 2024 15:04:46 GMT
The theatre has not commented on specifics. So please can people stop assuming that what has been reported thus far represents what actually created this situation. We have zero evidence that proves that cancellation was just based on issues with lyrics and an element of the set decoration. If you read that articles, it’s pretty clear that they were the cause of the fear from the theatre management about the production. It’s like they tried to blame many things over the week, including throwing the technical side of things under the bus at one point before the truth came out. Ah, sweet, sweet vindication.
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Post by stevej678 on Sept 20, 2024 15:54:50 GMT
From the latest interview, it sounds like the theatre tried their best to find a compromise but the director refused to do so.
Maybe it's time for The Stage to just move on now, they seem completely obsessed with this story.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 20, 2024 16:30:23 GMT
From the latest interview, it sounds like the theatre tried their best to find a compromise but the director refused to do so. Maybe it's time for The Stage to just move on now, they seem completely obsessed with this story. That's not my reading of the interview. It sounds like they knew about the contentious stuff for a few weeks and then tried to ambush her just before the dress rehearsal. But it's a theatre story and the stage is a theatre paper. It's exactly the thing they should cover!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 20, 2024 16:33:34 GMT
Stef O’Driscol’s full statement: I believe that what happened to A Midsummer Night’s Dream is not an isolated incident but reflects a growing trend of censorship and fear-driven decision-making in the arts. As artists, we are losing the very spaces that are meant to challenge, provoke and speak to the issues of our time. In this instance, it is profoundly concerning and distressing that theatre artists have not been allowed to speak freely on a major UK stage. I grew up around rave culture – it’s in my DNA. I love it, I breathe it, it’s in my bones. So, I began exploring how Manchester’s drum-and-bass rave culture could intersect with Shakespeare’s text. The drum-and-bass scene in Manchester is pro-Palestinian, it’s a clear part of the identity and culture. It is my responsibility as a director to represent a culture accurately if I am putting it on stage. From the beginning of the process, all parties understood that the intention of the production was to represent this culture. In this production, the mechanicals were a group of Manchester based MC/rappers. Rave culture represents freedom of expression, historically and presently amplifying the voices of the oppressed. Characters expressed solidarity with trans people and the people of Palestine in a rap performed by a trans politically conscious mechanical. Executive staff stated that the production could not go on unless the phrases “trans rights” and “Free Palestine” were removed. It was stated to the full company that this decision was building-wide, including the board. The reason given was safety, citing concerns about potential audience protests and press backlash. The rap in question was created in rehearsals two weeks before our dress rehearsal, during which numerous staff members had access to the content via recordings, and some witnessed it first-hand during run-throughs. Concerns were not raised until the day we were due to do the dress run. In the final week of preparing to open the production, I received artistic and dramaturgical notes. I am used to having these conversations in my career, it’s a normal bit of the process as the work evolves. In this instance, there was a failure of proper and rigorous artistic support, leading swiftly to knee-jerk censorship. The venue conceded that we could include trans rights, but not mention Palestine. They eventually allowed a small badge to represent Palestinian solidarity, but it was categorically forbidden to say "Free Palestine" verbally. The executive staff allowed general mention of “genocide” and “ceasefire” but baulked at the specific call of “Free Palestine”. This feels especially unethical given that Equity recently passed a motion at the Trades Union Congress, which represents 5.5 million members, affirming that “artists and arts organisations should be free to critique institutions and bring attention to issues through overtly political art without fear of censorship or losing their public funding”. After a week of artistic debate, and emotional toil, I decided that I couldn’t proceed under these conditions and made the difficult decision to step away from the show. I could not, in good conscience, continue with a production that undermined both artistic integrity and the well-being of myself and my team. Severe lack of management and support meant that members of our cast and community felt devalued, invisible, problematic and unsafe. Our production reflected the diversity and cultural richness that Manchester is known for, yet we were silenced on the very issues that matter to members of our cast and our community. By denying us the opportunity to preview this production, we were unable to truly understand (rather than second guess) how the audience would react to the piece. I believe decisions and conversations from the executive team were driven by fear, undermining the audience and the very purpose of art. I am sorry to know that this building will lose significant resources in an already challenging economic climate as a result. I urge the Royal Exchange to take meaningful steps to repair the harm done and to ensure that this kind of harm does not affect future artists entering its space. I am devastated by the loss of the production, which I have been working on since 2019. I have always dreamed of working at The Royal Exchange and this was the biggest, most important show of my career to date. I am heartbroken for the cast, the creative team and everyone who worked so hard to make it a reality. My heart goes out to the theatre staff who have been impacted and freelancers who were denied the opportunity to showcase their talents. As someone with a working-class Irish Traveller heritage, I have always been driven by the need to amplify marginalised voices. I believe in the power of theatre not just to entertain, but to provoke, challenge and advocate for social justice. Throughout history, and vividly in the works of Shakespeare, theatre has been a space for discourse and challenging the status quo – we must continue to fight for it to remain so. Thank you to the company for your extraordinary work. Your care for one another and your integrity are everlasting. I am also grateful to the wider theatre family for all the messages of love, support, and solidarity.” www.thestage.co.uk/news/exclusive-royal-exchange-director-stef-odriscoll-breaks-silence-on-show-cancellationRegister with The Stage to access three free articles per month.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 20, 2024 16:40:38 GMT
Just a couple of points. The problematic rap was only created two weeks before the dress rehearsal. The Rex offered several compromises to allow mention of Palestine but drew a line. Director took her bat and ball home. Also “ The drum-and-bass scene in Manchester is pro-Palestinian”. All of it? Really? That’s quite a statement.
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Post by Jon on Sept 20, 2024 17:08:35 GMT
Just a couple of points. The problematic rap was only created two weeks before the dress rehearsal. The Rex offered several compromises to allow mention of Palestine but drew a line. Director took her bat and ball home. Also “ The drum-and-bass scene in Manchester is pro-Palestinian”. All of it? Really? That’s quite a statement. The fact the REX allowed them to mention Trans rights suggests that they did back down on some things even though personally I'm not sure how trans rights fits into A Midsummer Night's Dream. Would Equity or the director call it censorship if it was say a Harold Pinter play and the characters started talking about things not relevant to the play? No, because his estate would get involved very swiftly.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 20, 2024 17:27:37 GMT
Just a couple of points. The problematic rap was only created two weeks before the dress rehearsal. The Rex offered several compromises to allow mention of Palestine but drew a line. Director took her bat and ball home. Also “ The drum-and-bass scene in Manchester is pro-Palestinian”. All of it? Really? That’s quite a statement. The fact the REX allowed them to mention Trans rights suggests that they did back down on some things even though personally I'm not sure how trans rights fits into A Midsummer Night's Dream. Would Equity or the director call it censorship if it was say a Harold Pinter play and the characters started talking about things not relevant to the play? No, because his estate would get involved very swiftly. She's been working on it since 2019, so I would probably say it's not a 'work for hire' type deal It's a modern day version of Shakespeare. It should address modern day stuff if that's the version they're doing
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Post by zahidf on Sept 20, 2024 17:31:49 GMT
Just a couple of points. The problematic rap was only created two weeks before the dress rehearsal. The Rex offered several compromises to allow mention of Palestine but drew a line. Director took her bat and ball home. Also “ The drum-and-bass scene in Manchester is pro-Palestinian”. All of it? Really? That’s quite a statement. But if it was an issue, why did it take the Rex 2 weeks to address it? She says the lack of an artistic director (in the article) was a reason for why it happened. I'd probably leave it but just to say if you hire someone to do something, you should probably leave them to it. A 'free palestine' rap in a rave based play isn't exactly a massive issue, esp if you've been working them for years and know how they work
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Post by David J on Sept 20, 2024 17:33:53 GMT
I was holding back sharing this as, this isn't the same beat for beat, and i dont know whether Manchester Theatre situation reflects the rest of the theatre industry. www.ign.com/articles/inside-out-2-was-the-hit-pixar-needed-but-the-laid-off-employees-who-crunched-on-it-are-still-hurtingBut with regards to the recent Inside Out 2 it's come out that there were originally story elements that higher ups in Disney amd Pixar told creators to tone down. They wanted to attract general audiences and families. Disney has had a lot of flops in recent years so they're desperate to make money. And now inside out 2, with these changes, is the highest grossing animated film of all time. Hollywood in general is going through a rough period financially and are moving back towards safe films rather than try and push the envelope and be experimental. And again I can't say whether this incident reflects what's going on in the theatre industry. But we are seeing regional theatre make less bold programming to try and cater to general audiences. So it doesnt surprise me if the Royal Exchange is wanting to play safe to cater to their target audience and make money here, rather than push any messages. Either no Palestine references or no show It may not be censorship and more the reality theatre and media is facing right now
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 20, 2024 17:38:41 GMT
Just a couple of points. The problematic rap was only created two weeks before the dress rehearsal. The Rex offered several compromises to allow mention of Palestine but drew a line. Director took her bat and ball home. Also “ The drum-and-bass scene in Manchester is pro-Palestinian”. All of it? Really? That’s quite a statement. But if it was an issue, why did it take the Rex 2 weeks to address it? Presumably the “right” (decision makers) people didn’t see it and the ones who did see it didn’t report up. And that’s the theatre’s fault.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 20, 2024 18:05:32 GMT
I was holding back sharing this as, this isn't the same beat for beat, and i dont know whether Manchester Theatre situation reflects the rest of the theatre industry. www.ign.com/articles/inside-out-2-was-the-hit-pixar-needed-but-the-laid-off-employees-who-crunched-on-it-are-still-hurtingBut with regards to the recent Inside Out 2 it's come out that there were originally story elements that higher ups in Disney amd Pixar told creators to tone down. They wanted to attract general audiences and families. Disney has had a lot of flops in recent years so they're desperate to make money. And now inside out 2, with these changes, is the highest grossing animated film of all time. Hollywood in general is going through a rough period financially and are moving back towards safe films rather than try and push the envelope and be experimental. And again I can't say whether this incident reflects what's going on in the theatre industry. But we are seeing regional theatre make less bold programming to try and cater to general audiences. So it doesnt surprise me if the Royal Exchange is wanting to play safe to cater to their target audience and make money here, rather than push any messages. Either no Palestine references or no show It may not be censorship and more the reality theatre and media is facing right now It's always happened in hollywood: creatives on big Hollywood films get replaced all the time If theatres would rather cancel a show and lose thousands rather than allow the creatives freedom, that's the opposite of being commercial I'd say!
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Post by marob on Sept 20, 2024 18:27:35 GMT
If the Royal Exchange does ever comment on this hopefully they’ll be asked to explain why they put out what appears to be a bogus story of injuries to a cast member as the original excuse for the cancellations.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 21, 2024 16:42:50 GMT
I'm sure the Hamas led government of Palestine loves the link between their cause and trans rights
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Sept 21, 2024 17:03:18 GMT
But if it was an issue, why did it take the Rex 2 weeks to address it? Presumably the “right” (decision makers) people didn’t see it and the ones who did see it didn’t report up. And that’s the theatre’s fault. It's possible but I would be surprised, personally. Having worked with and known the "decision maker" in this case for some years, and knowing what a micromanager she is, I would be astounded if she hadn't been involved with every step of rehearsals and knew about the rap and the style choices from the day they were introduced. Perhaps I am cynical but I've been in the position where a venue waited till the last minute to voice concerns as a tactic to avoid long drawn-out negotiations where the creatives are able to take the time to seek advice and support, and without other bodies being involved (at least, not until after the fact). I think most writers and directors have experienced that in some minor way. And this is a theatre known for demanding press night re-writes. "Remove this or the show doesn't go on tomorrow" is a more effective threat than two weeks of back and forth wrangling with agents and Equity.
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Post by nash16 on Sept 23, 2024 15:29:33 GMT
So glad the director and cast held firm and refused to be perform censored work.
Lots of lessons for the Royal Exchange to learn, but glad they’re starting to. And hopefully/maybe will get an Artistic Director back in place. Following what Hampstead did similarly is not a good route…
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Post by bigsymalone on Sept 23, 2024 23:53:35 GMT
Late in rehearsal, the director inserted political proselytising without context into a Shakespeare comedy. The management had not signed up for this and asked for it to be cut. The director refused and when the management insisted, she walked, claiming to be the victim of censorship. Yet it was her actions that got the show cancelled. .
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Post by ChristineH on Oct 8, 2024 10:42:14 GMT
Further fallout from the cancellation - The Stage are reporting “Front-of-house casual workers claim that the venue opted not to pay them for three weeks of shifts they had been expecting to work during a run of A Midsummer Night’s Dream.”
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Post by blamerobots on Oct 8, 2024 11:28:38 GMT
For those here who've worked FOH before, has there ever been clauses for situations like this? Can't imagine just losing three weeks pay for this situation
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