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Post by Polly1 on Nov 28, 2016 16:20:19 GMT
Interesting interview with Stevenson and Williams in FT, cant link as behind paywall but can be accessed via Almeida twitter feed.
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Post by sondheimhats on Dec 2, 2016 23:59:45 GMT
So I was at the first preview tonight. It's a little rough - some awkward staging and bits of dialogue, a few dragging moments (particularly in the 2nd half), and some stumbling over lines. Lia Williams even called for line at one point, which I've never seen in a professional production, even during previews.
However, overall it's in pretty good shape. I found the whole evening to be very engaging. The play explores these characters and their power struggle in fascinating ways, with some beautifully constructed dialogues and monologues. Aside from some of the issues I mentioned above, the play was well-paced, and flowed nicely. The staging was fairly simple. They are on a raised platform with a revolve. Glass benches sometimes come up from the platform, but otherwise there is no furniture. Actors enter from all sides of the round platform, including from the audience.
At the moment the actors seem to be shuffling their feet and shifting their weight a lot, with a lot of extraneous movement around the stage. It was very irritating to watch - like watching a school play with student actors who don't what what to do with their feet. Several actors were doing it, which leads me to believe that Icke is behind it somehow. Hopefully that decreases throughout previews.
Stevenson played Mary Stuart tonight, with Williams as Elizabeth. *POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW*
Basically the whole cast comes out onstage at the top of the show, with Stevenson and Williams standing facing each other. There is a bowl downstage center with a coin in it. A camera focuses on the coin, giving us a birds eye view streamed to screens scattered throughout the theatre. Williams called "heads" to play Elizabeth (perhaps a slight pun, given she's the one who gets to keep her head in the end?). Another actor SPINS (not flips) the coin. Tonight the spin was very weak and disappointing. Hopefully he gets a little more force behind it in future performances. It landed almost immediately, sucking some of the tension out of the moment. Once the coin lands, the cast bows to Elizabeth and ushers her offstage to begin the play immediately. *END SPOILER*
Both actresses were very good in their respective roles. Williams has a hardness to her Elizabeth that balanced beautifully with her more vulnerable moments. Stevenson' Mary was softer, more feminine, more overtly emotional. Yet both were, in their own ways, powerful, poised and vulnerable. I do wonder how it would be reversed - whether Williams' Mary will be as hard and biting as her Elizabeth, and vice versa for Stevenson.
The show ran 3 hours and 20 minutes tonight, with one interval. The first half is 1h50m, the 2nd is 1h10m. Overall, the long runtime wasn't an issue for me. It started to drag toward the end but otherwise it went by quickly.
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Post by popcultureboy on Dec 3, 2016 0:05:46 GMT
I was there tonight too, for the 1st of my 4 trips to see this. I agree with most of the above (though I have seen a line called for before, Tim Piggot-Smith in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf at Bath). It's ironic that the second half is 40 minutes shorter, but feels infinitely longer. Suspect that's where most of the tightening will be. Juliet Stevenson was nearly pushed off stage during a fight with Lia Williams, which made a LOT of people in the audience gasp. Everyone around the two leads is also in pretty strong shape, though I never really care for Rhudi Dharmalingham. His odd leaping about towards the end of the first half just made him look like Rumplestiltskin and for having such a pivotal role, it's an underpowered take on it. But as a first preview for something this ambitious, it was in pretty good shape.
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Post by sondheimhats on Dec 4, 2016 1:40:40 GMT
A friend of mine saw the show tonight, and apparently it was the same pairing that I saw last night. However, in comparing notes with her, we noticed a discrepancy that could mean the whole thing is rigged.
Last night, Williams called "heads." It landed on heads, and everyone bowed to her as Elizabeth. However, according to my friend, STEVENSON called "heads" tonight, the coin landed on heads, but Williams was still Elizabeth. If there is no consistency between who calls heads and what "heads" even means for the outcome, they can easily decide beforehand who plays which role, and in the moment, they bow to the pre-determined Elizabeth regardless of the coin toss result. They can easily get away with this because the audience has no idea beforehand which coin result yields which pairing.
Hopefully this theory is debunked later in previews. It's also possible that they just have yet to decide how they want the coin toss routine to go, and they just tried something different tonight.
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Post by carfax on Dec 4, 2016 9:50:49 GMT
I remember a friend seeing Becket where Jacobi swapped with someone (want to say Robert Powell or Lindsay? But not sure that's right) Someone will know the details. Jacobi and Lindsay did 'Beckett' at the Haymarket in, I think, the 1990s, Jacobi played Beckett and Lindsay the King. There was certainly speculation they would swap roles at some point in the run but I don't think it ever actually happened.
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Post by n1david on Dec 4, 2016 9:59:10 GMT
A friend of mine saw the show tonight, and apparently it was the same pairing that I saw last night. However, in comparing notes with her, we noticed a discrepancy that could mean the whole thing is rigged. Last night, Williams called "heads." It landed on heads, and everyone bowed to her as Elizabeth. However, according to my friend, STEVENSON called "heads" tonight, the coin landed on heads, but Williams was still Elizabeth. If there is no consistency between who calls heads and what "heads" even means for the outcome, they can easily decide beforehand who plays which role, and in the moment, they bow to the pre-determined Elizabeth regardless of the coin toss result. They can easily get away with this because the audience has no idea beforehand which coin result yields which pairing. Hopefully this theory is debunked later in previews. It's also possible that they just have yet to decide how they want the coin toss routine to go, and they just tried something different tonight. I suppose it's possible they want to work on one version more than another in previews (beforehand the director said it was like rehearsing two plays at once). I can't imagine they'll get away with it for long once the play opens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 10:48:00 GMT
Yeah, I'd assume they're removing the random element while in previews to ensure both combos get a decent amount of stage time. We should definitely all make a point of reporting back after press night though. Although tbh, what does it hurt if the coin toss isn't "real"? Williams/Stevenson aren't historical queens either, we're still not going to walk out in disgust upon realising they're acting like they are even though they're modern day actors. If it's just another element to the performance, like the fake corpsing in Hairspray, most people won't realise because most people will only be seeing it once. Just another level of theatrical artifice that hurts no one.
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Post by bellboard27 on Dec 4, 2016 11:01:17 GMT
Yeah, I'd assume they're removing the random element while in previews to ensure both combos get a decent amount of stage time. We should definitely all make a point of reporting back after press night though. Although tbh, what does it hurt if the coin toss isn't "real"? Williams/Stevenson aren't historical queens either, we're still not going to walk out in disgust upon realising they're acting like they are even though they're modern day actors. If it's just another element to the performance, like the fake corpsing in Hairspray, most people won't realise because most people will only be seeing it once. Just another level of theatrical artifice that hurts no one. Sorry. It's the thin end of the wedge. If we accept this behaviour, before long actors will be making the whole thing up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 11:24:40 GMT
Although tbh, what does it hurt if the coin toss isn't "real"? Exactly! Acting is quite common in the theatre, so I've been told.
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Post by Snciole on Dec 5, 2016 10:07:51 GMT
The system not falling over is a good start but the queue system is still ridiculously frustrating. I am probably not missing much but keen to Carmen Munroe!
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Post by kathryn on Dec 5, 2016 10:39:25 GMT
The email alert thing hasn't worked for me so far, and apparently my wait time hasn't changed in the last half hour, which is a bit worrying. But not completely falling over is a start.
Seriously, number of people ahead of me in the queue has gone down, but my estimated arrival time on the website keeps getting later.
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Post by Snciole on Dec 5, 2016 12:44:15 GMT
I got on eventually and there are tons of £10 seats left, which I wasn't expecting. Better but needs works as it is clear many in the queue probably don't even buy tickets.
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Post by kathryn on Dec 5, 2016 14:01:54 GMT
Yes, me too. I wet for an £18 ticket in the end - lots of them left too. I think having to re-set passwords was probably slowing everyone down. Hopefully most people won't need to do that again.
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Post by n1david on Dec 5, 2016 18:00:07 GMT
Better but needs works as it is clear many in the queue probably don't even buy tickets. I suspect this is the 'multiple device' trick - being in the queue on a phone, a tablet, a laptop, the partner's laptop,.... For anything which puts you in a random place in a queue, it makes sense to hedge your bets...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 18:45:07 GMT
Just got 2 £10 tickets for the last matinee which should be exciting and am very excited as it is one more thing for 2017,Did anyone else have any trouble booking with credits cards on I pads or any other device of is it just me.
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Post by flip18 on Dec 5, 2016 18:45:11 GMT
Managed to get a £10 tkt for the final matinee just now. Checkng this morning it told me I was 609 in the queue so I decided to give it a miss, glad I checked again now
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Post by addictedtotheatre on Dec 6, 2016 9:41:43 GMT
Saw this last night (Mon 5/12) - Lia Williams called the toss 'Heads' - she won and played QE1.
This is a very fine production. The text is clear, the direction urgent and so the three and a quarter hours rushes by. All the supporting players are excellent, and Juliet Stevenson is her usual high standard. However, Lia Williams gives a monumental performance, just extraordinary. I'd go so far as to say that this is one of the most impressive feats of acting I've seen in the last few years.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Dec 7, 2016 23:45:43 GMT
This was a stunning production. Loved it. Will write more later
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Post by sondheimhats on Dec 8, 2016 0:15:47 GMT
Does anyone know if Stevenson has played Elizabeth and Williams play Mary yet? Between the reports here, and those of some friends I know who have seen it, i haven't heard anybody mention seeing that pairing. Curious...
As for the comment about a rigged coin toss not hurting anybody: true, it wouldn't HURT anybody. But if it is rigged, it's somewhat disingenuous, which is just irritating in its own rite. Plus, if the pairings are planned in advance, it would be nice if they made that public so audience members could return to see the other pairing if they so choose.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Dec 8, 2016 0:23:44 GMT
Yes Stephenson was Elizabeth and Williams was Mary tonight. It felt like the natural way round to me.
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Post by lonlad on Dec 8, 2016 1:07:42 GMT
I like "in its own rite" :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:34:44 GMT
Surely they need to prepare both versions equally, and so to have the same number of previews of each version? Which can only be achieved by scheduling the casting during previews?
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Post by addictedtotheatre on Dec 8, 2016 12:41:21 GMT
Yes Stephenson was Elizabeth and Williams was Mary tonight. It felt like the natural way round to me. Strange - I saw it with the roles swapped from what you saw and I thought it was a perfect fit. Shows just how good they each are.
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Post by n1david on Dec 8, 2016 19:06:30 GMT
I wonder how this will be reviewed? Will the press have to take their chances like everyone else, which means that different reviews might have different actors in the parts?
Can't remember if they reviewed both versions of Frankenstein, but at least they were scheduled performances. Wouldn't surprise me if some of the 'early press' preview performances might also be fixed in order to give critics the chance to see both versions.
But very promising on these early comments that both versions are sounding strong...
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Post by popcultureboy on Dec 8, 2016 23:56:23 GMT
Frankenstein had two consecutive press nights, one for each pairing, and reviews were embargoed until after night two. But that whole run was scheduled, there was no coin toss element to it. Who knows what they'll do for the press performances here.
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