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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 8:23:46 GMT
Southern Rail are to announce an emergency timetable tomorrow (from Monday) in which they will cancel 350 trains a day in order to 'give a more predictable service' and not at all to save them money from the compensation they have to pay out for every cancelled trains
The trains really are affecting if i buy tickets for theatre in London or not. It makes me so angry
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Post by Michael on Jul 4, 2016 9:02:23 GMT
When I'm in London, I usually stay at a hotel in Croydon, so I'm used to taking Southern trains from East Croydon to either Victoria or London Bridge.
Usually, their service was OK-ish, but two weeks ago, they were cancelling lots of trains due to 'staff shortage'. Heard lots and lots of complaints from regular travellers in the trains that were running.
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Post by firefingers on Jul 4, 2016 11:57:42 GMT
They are apparently cutting the train that runs round London from Milton Keynes to Clapham. This is a very quick, easy and cheaper way to get to South London for me, and it is bloody annoying as we only get one an hour as it is. Rrrrrrrrrr.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 4, 2016 12:06:15 GMT
This is due to the ongoing dispute with the RMT Union, due o proposals to cut train conductors on many routes.
Even though a lot of trains have been cut, at least you can manage your journey more efficiently and get a train that is published now, than that planned trains being you were going to catch ends up cancelled instead.
Southern the franchise holder needs to be stripped of its franchise ASAP.
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Post by infofreako on Jul 4, 2016 13:21:10 GMT
Definitely. Its just a cynical method of saving themselves money. If a train people rely on, as will be the case with some of the cut services, Southern will no longer have to pay out delay/repay refunds on those services. Commuters will be further inconvenienced but with less chance of recompense
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Post by Snciole on Jul 4, 2016 14:50:17 GMT
They are apparently cutting the train that runs round London from Milton Keynes to Clapham. This is a very quick, easy and cheaper way to get to South London for me, and it is bloody annoying as we only get one an hour as it is. Rrrrrrrrrr. This is my regular train home to Streatham as I work in Croydon. I am always guaranteed a seat! My commute is ridiculously simple yet Southern still managed to be affected. My boyfriend works in Osterley and we think it will be easier to commute from Croydon because of the fast train to London than it has been to Norbury because of the frequency of cancellations and delays. We both work for great employers, who know how bad transport can be but most other trains companies run a normal service, why can't Southern? |
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Post by peggs on Jul 4, 2016 18:26:06 GMT
Southern is hopeless, on saturday they had signal failure near me but before that even happened the website was showing something along the lines of 'lots of staff are sick so there may not be many trains but we can't tell you which'. I realise now that what I thought was chaos caused by london bridge being mostly shut is actually just as liking to be this hopeless railway company and won't suddenly improve when the station fully opens. How can they just got that many trains and that be okay even though it will leave so many people in real problems?
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Post by showgirl on Jul 4, 2016 18:55:50 GMT
This is the issue I have been mentioning for some time in posts about whether it's feasible to book for something, or about concerns re getting home. Proof that I wasn't exaggerating, and ludicrous to think that we have members who travel from Europe and the US, probably with greater ease and certainty. Good thing for the theatre market that its audience is so diverse so can take the hit if some of us are forced to cut back, but I wonder how the performers and theatre staff manage, as some of them must use this TOC?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 19:02:49 GMT
350 a day!? Southern really are useless. Makes me happy that I use Chiltern Railways, whom I'm pretty sure only run about 3 services anyway, so not much scope to mess up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 10:16:28 GMT
Based upon my experience of Southern rail, I'm stunned that they run more than 350 services per day to even cut that many.
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Post by d'James on Jul 13, 2016 1:16:25 GMT
They are apparently cutting the train that runs round London from Milton Keynes to Clapham. This is a very quick, easy and cheaper way to get to South London for me, and it is bloody annoying as we only get one an hour as it is. Rrrrrrrrrr. Did this service get cut in the end? It's a train I use too. |
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Post by showgirl on Jul 13, 2016 3:48:49 GMT
They are apparently cutting the train that runs round London from Milton Keynes to Clapham. This is a very quick, easy and cheaper way to get to South London for me, and it is bloody annoying as we only get one an hour as it is. Rrrrrrrrrr. Did this service get cut in the end? It's a train I use too. They did, and I used to find it very useful for trips to Watford Palace (though too infrequent + unreliable to use for return journeys in the evening); I do wonder if they will be forced to reinstate it but it was only hourly anyway and a shorter + slower route than the original, so may have seemed like an obvious one for the chop. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 4:41:33 GMT
They are apparently cutting the train that runs round London from Milton Keynes to Clapham. This is a very quick, easy and cheaper way to get to South London for me, and it is bloody annoying as we only get one an hour as it is. Rrrrrrrrrr. Did this service get cut in the end? It's a train I use too. I used to use that train to get to work. London Midland also operate on the part of the route I used, but there aren't many local services in the morning—most of them are for London commuters—so if that train isn't running it creates problems for anyone heading for intermediate stations. |
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Post by alece10 on Jul 13, 2016 7:48:11 GMT
I had better check the trains to Chichester as I an going on Sat 30th from London to see Half a Sixpence.
Isn't part of the problem because staff keep calling in sick and they don't have enough people to run the trains. So they are either on strike or sick. Always 2 sides to a story.
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Post by Steve on Jul 13, 2016 8:49:58 GMT
I had better check the trains to Chichester as I an going on Sat 30th from London to see Half a Sixpence. Isn't part of the problem because staff keep calling in sick and they don't have enough people to run the trains. So they are either on strike or sick. Always 2 sides to a story. One allegation against the Union is that this "sickness" business is under-the-table industrial action, since genuine "sickness" this is NOT. The Union categorically denies this. The alternate allegation, against Govia Thameslink and the Government, is that the Government backed Govia Thameslink to cut services and hours in a bid to undermine the Union, and the "sickness" talk is just a cover for this. This allegation maintains that the Government have Govia Thameslink in an armlock, as if they do not put the unions under this pressure, Govia Thameslink may lose their contract. Whoever is putting the squeeze on passengers, it is definitely not an outbreak of flu. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 8:54:55 GMT
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Post by firefingers on Jul 13, 2016 8:58:19 GMT
I had better check the trains to Chichester as I an going on Sat 30th from London to see Half a Sixpence. Isn't part of the problem because staff keep calling in sick and they don't have enough people to run the trains. So they are either on strike or sick. Always 2 sides to a story. One allegation against the Union is that this "sickness" business is under-the-table industrial action, since genuine "sickness" this is NOT. The Union categorically denies this. The alternate allegation, against Govia Thameslink and the Government, is that the Government backed Govia Thameslink to cut services and hours in a bid to undermine the Union, and the "sickness" talk is just a cover for this. This allegation maintains that the Government have Govia Thameslink in an armlock, as if they do not put the unions under this pressure, Govia Thameslink may lose their contract. Whoever is putting the squeeze on passengers, it is definitely not an outbreak of flu. Yes apparently the "sickness" is Southern not having enough staff. Essentially drivers etc are protesting by working to contract, and thus not doing overtime. Southern doesn't have enough staff to cover all the shifts and thus relies on people working overtime to make it up. Southern service is definitely cancelled that goes through Watford. The real ball ache for me is that the round London cheep route to the South is essentially gone. This means a ticket to Brighton has gone from under a tenner to nearly thirty quid. Haven't made that journey in years, was going to on Tuesday, but may not now and spend the money on doing stuff in London instead. |
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Post by Snciole on Jul 13, 2016 9:14:12 GMT
Another allegation is that Southern have banned striking drivers from having overtime, which would have made up some of the money they lost striking.
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Post by Marwood on Jul 13, 2016 9:18:09 GMT
I live and work in Croydon, and travelling into London on a weekday has become a nightmare, I'm not booking any more early evening shows until someone has sorted this out, it's laughable people boasting about London being a world class business hub when we have a third world transport service.
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Post by Snciole on Jul 13, 2016 9:42:08 GMT
I live and work in Croydon, and travelling into London on a weekday has become a nightmare, I'm not booking any more early evening shows until someone has sorted this out, it's laughable people boasting about London being a world class business hub when we have a third world transport service. *waves from Croydon* It is incredibly frustrating just getting into London after 5, despite this clearly being a popular route, let alone how awful Southern trains once the theatres kick out. |
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Post by infofreako on Jul 13, 2016 10:10:02 GMT
I had better check the trains to Chichester as I an going on Sat 30th from London to see Half a Sixpence. Isn't part of the problem because staff keep calling in sick and they don't have enough people to run the trains. So they are either on strike or sick. Always 2 sides to a story. They havent altered the weekend timetable |
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Post by geweena on Jul 13, 2016 10:37:18 GMT
Well im currently waiting for a train to Victoria that was supposed to be here at 11.23 and now apparently wont arrive till 11.41. This means I will miss the Book of Mormon lottery. Couldnt get the train before as that had been cancelled due to the 'revised' schedule. What an absolute joke.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 13, 2016 11:23:45 GMT
I had better check the trains to Chichester as I an going on Sat 30th from London to see Half a Sixpence. Isn't part of the problem because staff keep calling in sick and they don't have enough people to run the trains. So they are either on strike or sick. Always 2 sides to a story. Same day as I have booked. What train are you planning to get? We met all too briefly in the chocolate factory, we have a proper chat on the way down? |
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Post by showgirl on Jul 13, 2016 17:52:44 GMT
One allegation against the Union is that this "sickness" business is under-the-table industrial action, since genuine "sickness" this is NOT. The Union categorically denies this. The alternate allegation, against Govia Thameslink and the Government, is that the Government backed Govia Thameslink to cut services and hours in a bid to undermine the Union, and the "sickness" talk is just a cover for this. This allegation maintains that the Government have Govia Thameslink in an armlock, as if they do not put the unions under this pressure, Govia Thameslink may lose their contract. Whoever is putting the squeeze on passengers, it is definitely not an outbreak of flu. Yes apparently the "sickness" is Southern not having enough staff. Essentially drivers etc are protesting by working to contract, and thus not doing overtime. Southern doesn't have enough staff to cover all the shifts and thus relies on people working overtime to make it up. Southern service is definitely cancelled that goes through Watford. The real ball ache for me is that the round London cheep route to the South is essentially gone. This means a ticket to Brighton has gone from under a tenner to nearly thirty quid. Haven't made that journey in years, was going to on Tuesday, but may not now and spend the money on doing stuff in London instead. Firefingers, surely if you had a Network Card, the off-peak return fare would be cheaper? And are you sure that though the service has been removed, you can no longer buy the cheaper fare? I know that sounds daft, but Southern are saying you can still claim for delays + cancellations based on the old timetable, so maybe the cheaper fare still exists, too. |
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Post by theatreliker on Jul 13, 2016 18:06:06 GMT
What about train journeys pre-booked? London to Brighton say.
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