Brexit

Well, where does the mainstream media recruit from ..

Nows your chance!
I've been feeling helpless lately and the very least I can do now is at least go and contribute to the noise. I'll be in Liverpool and Manchester tomorrow. 

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I believe there is clarity, Johnson is basically stating we are going through wit a No Deal Brexit on the 31st Oct, playing brinkmanship with the EU to see if they will cave in and provide a deal that meets his requirements i.e all the benefits the EU excluding the ones we don’t like.

The risk is that if this gambit and the suspension of Parliament a constitutional precedence is to back up his stance the EU do not play ball.

The train has left the Station and we are leaving on the 31st Oct and if with a No-Deal the accepted worst case scenario so be it.


As previously stated to comply with the Democratic process leaving the EU is a given. (We have voted as a nation in 2 elections where the mandate was within the Conservative manifesto and the referendum to leave the EU, we have had a second referendum by proxy in May’s election, we as a nation agreed by our Parliamentary Democracy to vote for May’s Tory manifesto. Talking to Remainers yesterday if May had not called the election and muddied the water by not having a clear majority we would have left the EU by now, the confusion now, is the mandate for Brexit as in the Tory manifesto valid as the Tory are a minority Government and require DUP support to Govern)

I voted remain and believe it is a monumental error to leave without a deal and to leave full stop, a decision that will haunt us for years to come, we have had the referendum a post referendum election where it was clearly stated we are leaving the EU if the Tories take power and cannot democratically rescind what has been voted for without another General Election which is not required for another few years as per or Parliamentay rules and any General Election will now realistically be after the leaving date so cannot influence the decision of our previous voting intentions.

The closure of Parliament to push through this is where my allegiance to the Democratic process is undermined, we cannot say we have followed the Representative Democratic process which we have up to now and then close the Government as leaving us to debate in Parliament will undermine the russian roulette Johnson is playing.


One thing I hope is that people will take voting more seriously, understand what we are agreeing to in the printed manifestos, (the fact that most Parties rescind on their manifesto is neither here nor there) sadly it is likely to have the opposite effect. Honestly I have never read a manifesto and complicit as vote on my ideals rather than the specifics.

Now Johnson is saying that if MPs try to block no deal that makes it more likely. Does he honestly think he's putting pressure on the EU; that no deal will be so much worse for them than for us that they won't dare let it happen? Or does he know that's nonsense but thinks everyone else is gullible enough to believe it? (If the latter it reminds me of my terrible first boss, who tried to convince staff that if he paid us more we'd have to pay more tax and end up taking home less money.)

I wouldn't be surprised if the EU does remove the deadline, simply out of pity.

We can certainly agree that May’s plan offered more detail than we’ve had so far from Johnson’s team. But MPs rejected it three times, throwing us into chaos and requiring an extension in which MPs have done...what, exactly? Er, not very much but squabble. Johnson saying ‘deal by 31 Oct or no deal’ offers clarity in that there’s a deadline to aim for. Both sides now need to work together pronto if they’re both serious about a deal. And it does seem that’s happening.

This piece in the Guardian says it all, for me: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/29/parliament-brexit-prorogue-mps-alternative-no-deal

We have a deadline to leave and it has been put back 7 months by some self serving politicians. Now a failed PM and busybody Windy Miller are going to court. Hopefully someone like Farage could launch a counter court action against the agitators.

Boris has the balls and the vision to take us out of the EU and it was fitting he made his prorogation decision 56 years to the day that MLK made his similarly historic I have a dream speech.

Typically we ha have had professional lackey and never elected Lord Adonis talking about another referendum luckily Martine Croxall rubbished his claims.

Wonderfully* ironic quote

*possibly the wrong word to use in this context.

What Boris has done is within the law and what any PM can do. Major lead the Tories to their worse election result in 52 years so is a failed PM IMO.

Sometimes it's so hard to hold on to the will to live.

I think you might want to step away from the thread. You've soared wildly over the top and into quite offensive territory.

Wow. A poll in the D**** M*** no less.