Brexit

Johnson is obvious, but Corbyn and Swinson?? What have they said or not said you don't like?

Probably if you can tell us what Corbyn’s done right, that would be faster and take up less space. ;-)

As for Swinson - I hope she sticks to her guns amid the ridiculous Labour party bullying and refuses to allow the Marxist old duffer to mosey into number 10.

It becomes a bigger cluster**** day by day, Corbyn getting the SNP onside is important but Swinson's two taxi party and the lone tree hugger are hardly huge numbers. Corbyn might as well try to get the Sinn Fein MPs onside.

If they try to pass any legislation what happens about it going to the Lords for approval as the Tories would do all they could to stop it there. Then it would have to go before Privy Council - what if the Government refused to put it forward for Royal Assent?

Also Bercow as Speaker is supposed to be impartial unless he is seen to be doing this to maintain Parliament's authority.

In fairness, it's not really any of their faults, the idiotic public put us in this position x

Some lawyers may have said it. But, as always, there are lawyers who disagree! Even from EU statements I’ve seen, it appears a large proportion of the money is more ‘goodwill’ than ‘set in stone and protected by law’. Johnson was clear this money only doesn’t get paid in the event of a no deal. Which seems fair and sensible to me.

And which seems idiotic to me given he is relying on the EU agreeing a trade deal but apparently unwilling to pay any consideration for it, which is the basic requirement for a contract. Nothing about Boris's approach to this whole sorry mess is in any way sensible, far from it.

Looks like the mother of all parliaments is about to be suspended, this is most probably the saddest day in modern English history.

This will have a profound impact on all political institutions going forward, we are leaving which is the Parliamentary stance, now we are being told our Parliament has no say in the way this is to be achieved.

The referendum was about do we want to leave the EU which we said yes, it did not give any mandate on how this was to be achieved and this was left to our elected representatives.

An unelected despotic leader is looking to silence my elected representative, how is this not a dictatorship?


Still believe as Serial Shusher that Boris will deliver a ‘Comic Sans’ agreement with the backstop called something else with the hope we are too stupid to notice but this suspension of Parliament is a step too far and hope that it is enough to show that the Conservative Party is not a party of Democracy but a party of self interest.

Otherwise known as ‘the party delivering what they said they would’. It appears to be the only way to put a stop to the endless, aimless wibbling of those MPs who are either trying to stop Brexit outright or can’t agree what terms they will accept. The country needs clarity.

It is indeed sad it has come to this to try to achieve it, but there is plenty of blame to go around as to why it’s happened!

Also worth mentioning one Guardian journalist is pointing out that when you take into account the time MPs would normally be absent from September, and the fact they don’t sit on Fridays, this additional time period isn’t really anything unusual - four to six days, she reckons.

This is not a usual time period though, so that argument doesn't wash. If that's the best anyone can do to justify this abomination then that really does say it all about the extent to which the government has decided to run roughshod over democracy in order to deliver what a despotic minority wants, which is something the country was never asked to vote for or approve.

If you are happy living in a quasi-dictatorship with no viable trade deals and nothing to rely on but flimsy WTO rules that don't help in the slightest, and an over-inflated sense of its own importance as the backbone of its future, then be my guest, but not in my name.

Conservative Party Manifesto 2017:


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Source, since it's good to have facts:
s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/conservative-party-manifestos/Forward+Together+-+Our+Plan+for+a+Stronger+Britain+and+a+More+Prosperous....pdf

The £39 billion was part of the deal agreed by Mrs May. In a 'no deal' scenario there is .. no deal. So the terms of Mrs May's deal - already rejected three times by Parliament - are not relevant. However, as I understand it, the UK has already paid £7 billion of the £39 billion Mrs May agreed to pay becasue it became due around the time of the last EU elections. So it's £32-ish now.


Current polling by that man on the BBC - Sir John Curtice - says it's 52 / 48, so that solves not a lot: whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/euref2-poll-of-polls/ With the gap closing again, this seems to suggest the older Leave people who died are slowly returning.