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Jun 24, 2016 12:44:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 12:44:18 GMT
Boris for PM? Oh what a depressing thought. Oh, I don't know. We might see the return of Latin being taught in classrooms. Which, ironically, would do wonders for our currently atrocious levels of foreign language learning... |
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Jun 24, 2016 13:08:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 13:08:30 GMT
Boris for PM? Oh what a depressing thought. Oh, I don't know. We might see the return of Latin being taught in classrooms. A European language? In British schools? Not on his watch. (There's a part of me that's still expecting to find out that Boris the Mayor was all a hoax, and someone will tell me they can't believe I fell for it.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 13:14:39 GMT
Split to a new thread because the admin team feel it's inappropriate to continue political discussion in the original topic.
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Jun 24, 2016 15:32:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 15:35:42 GMT
I'm still taken aback at how civilised this discussion has been. When the first political posts appeared I had a sinking feeling because I was sure that within a couple of hours it would be a matter of "You know who else metabolised oxygen? Hitler!"
Discussion of musicals degenerates into a trading of insults and a political thread stays polite? This is just weird. It's almost tempting to start discussing religion. (No.)
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Jun 24, 2016 15:41:16 GMT
Post by Jon on Jun 24, 2016 15:41:16 GMT
I agree, and the commerce aspect is what it started out to be. I think Holland will probably be next and i hope our decision today will end up being a good thing and trigger the necessary changes. I agonised over how to vote, and really wished there was a "third option" - to return to the EEC that came into being while I was at primary school, and about which I was fascinated. A trading community of similar countries? It all made so much sense (and I think I have the lovely 'education pack' they sent us, somewhere). Sadly, as a grown-up, with a micro-business myself... well, both me and those I do business with found that things were moving on - particularly in the last few years. The old EEC was still there, BUT a slew of totally unnecessary and obstructive stuff had been thrown on top, and keeps being thrown. That's agony when all you want to do is trade and are too small to matter to those setting the rules. It's been fascinating today to see that our stock market has actually come off better than others around the globe, and that the exchange rates are only back to what they were a while ago, not really through the floor. Personally, I'm pretty sure we won't be the only country who will be asked the question now... and oddly, I'm still not even sure we will end up leaving - leastways not in the way we think. Too many politicians in too many countries have too much interest in outcomes for the bleakest possibilities to become real. On happier notes, I hear that Mrs Merkel has regained consciousness, and that emergency supplies of Immodium have arrived in the Belgian capital... I imagine things like Freedom of movement within Europe will remain as well as the Common Travel Area within Ireland and the rest of the UK. |
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Post by Michael on Jun 24, 2016 16:31:22 GMT
I agree, Jon. I'm still taken aback at how civilised this discussion has been. Yes, but if you remember, TheMatthew, we moderators do block anyone with a House of Commons IP address. ...and from the Reichstag as well. |
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Post by Michael on Jun 24, 2016 16:37:52 GMT
I imagine things like Freedom of movement within Europe will remain as well as the Common Travel Area within Ireland and the rest of the UK. But wasn't Freedom of movement the first thing UKIP and the leave campaign wanted to abolish to stop the hordes of Eastern Europeans steal all the jobs from British citizens (without realising that they are mostly doing tho jobs no Brit wants to do)? |
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Post by kathryn on Jun 24, 2016 17:07:16 GMT
This is the exact thing that worries a lot of people who voted Remain - that UKIP have fooled people into believing leaving the EU would reduce immigration and increase public spending, and that when people realise you can't actually have both of those things that their anger will not be directed at the politicians who lied to them, but the people who they were lying about.
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Jun 24, 2016 17:20:26 GMT
Post by Hamilton Addict on Jun 24, 2016 17:20:26 GMT
Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin...  |
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Post by Michael on Jun 24, 2016 17:43:00 GMT
This is the exact thing that worries a lot of people who voted Remain - that UKIP have fooled people into believing leaving the EU would reduce immigration and increase public spending, and that when people realise you can't actually have both of those things that their anger will not be directed at the politicians who lied to them, but the people who they were lying about. But that's exactly what experts predicted before the referendum. To sell British products in the common market, the UK will still have to abide by all the 'stupid' EU laws and regulations. And the common market doesn't come without free movement of labour. So the UK can claim that they've left the EU, but still has to follow all the rules, pay a fee and allow free movement of labour. So pretty much the same as before, but with no say at all. And that's just the best case. |
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Jun 24, 2016 18:01:54 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Jun 24, 2016 18:01:54 GMT
Yes, except our economy will suffer, so we will end up with less money for public services and increased austerity. And the country will still be 'full up' and we'll still have 'immigrants stealing our jobs'.
Not to mention the huge amount for money we're going to have to waste over the next couple of years to negotiate our way to a deal as good as that. It's not going to be cheap to administer the change.
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Post by ncbears on Jun 24, 2016 18:16:15 GMT
I'm just worried that the National Theatre is about to announce "Brexit" the new play by Richard Bean, which has been secretly rehearsing for weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 18:22:12 GMT
There have already been scenes of Boris Johnson being bundled into a car surrounded by police to protect him from angry crowds. I wonder how much more anger is going to surface as people realise that many of the Leave campaigns promises were deliberate lies.
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Jun 24, 2016 20:01:31 GMT
Post by Hamilton Addict on Jun 24, 2016 20:01:31 GMT
Created an little something on PowerPoint, which was originally funny to me, until I forgot they all have access to nuclear bombs.  |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 24, 2016 21:09:29 GMT
Long may the king live and Boris isn't automatically heir to the throne.
I think a lot of grass root Tories and some of those wanted to stay, also the ones who wanted out, aren't impressed how Johnson betrayed David Cameron and switched allegiance at the last moment, when he realised where his milk and honey lays. He didn't stab David in the back he stabbed him in the front.
Would you really want someone as your Prime Minister who messes up their hair before doing an television interviews?
Not saying he won't run, but there is a chance that the next Prime Minister maybe a woman and Scottish.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 24, 2016 21:13:01 GMT
Am I missing something with the thread title? Jo Cox was supporting Brexit?
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Jun 24, 2016 21:27:37 GMT
Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 24, 2016 21:27:37 GMT
I removed that from the title. We were redirecting a discussion from the Jo Cox thread. Thanks, BB.
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Jun 24, 2016 22:10:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 22:10:22 GMT
What does his mean for the theatre world? Will box office decrease or has this got nothing to do so it?
Pure curiosity
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Jun 24, 2016 22:16:39 GMT
Post by Phantom of London on Jun 24, 2016 22:16:39 GMT
If the pound is weak, then it would mean tourists comes here, so in theory it could be a good thing for theatre.
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Post by DuchessConstance on Jun 25, 2016 0:56:46 GMT
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Jun 25, 2016 5:20:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 5:20:06 GMT
What does his mean for the theatre world? Will box office decrease or has this got nothing to do so it? I expect regional theatre will be hit very hard. Prices are going to rise, interest rates are going to fall, and in those conditions people stop spending money. Apart from businesses that depend mainly on foreign tourism, every business that deals directly with the public is going to suffer and the ones that deal in luxuries are going to suffer the most. Anyone know Nigel Farage's address? I feel like sending him a black shirt. Also, Boris Johnson doesn't look happy. |
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Jun 25, 2016 8:50:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 8:50:50 GMT
So English theatre should still be alright in the coming years then?
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Jun 25, 2016 9:47:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 9:47:53 GMT
Theatre will always exist, theatre will never die, but it will change and adapt according to circumstance. I wouldn't be surprised if there were plenty of revivals of old feel-good shows, but there'll probably be a decent undercurrent of small shows of anger and fear, almost exclusively on the fringe. Could be interesting to see which Shakespeare plays gain most traction over the next period as well, apart from the ones that were already announced pre-refererendum. It feels like we're entering a very Richard II kind of era, except most theatres now seem to have done that one recently. Maybe a few more Coriolanuses and Julius Caesars?
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Post by DuchessConstance on Jun 25, 2016 9:48:35 GMT
English theatre won't collapse entirely or anything dramatic, but it will be negatively affected. People who work in theatre will feel it more than audiences.
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