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Post by Jonnyboy on Oct 5, 2023 8:40:56 GMT
Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar. Good on JSO. It may affect one evening or one drive, but for the price we’re all going to pay in the future, a little deviation from what was planned, and a moment to confront what the bigger importance is; just vital. And they’re number one on BBC News so they’re still getting publicity in the right ways. I’m sure if they could have infiltrated the Tories (as they have done many times before) at their rally, they would have. Do we know if there’s footage of Cameron reacting to the news? He’d be PURPLE! But this has achieved nothing! Publicity and attention for a few brief moments will not change anything. If you think that it’s justified at the expense of ruining theatre for all these people, then I really think you’re on the wrong forum.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Oct 5, 2023 8:42:10 GMT
Les Mis? Book of Mormon surely with it's higher carbon footprint, sending all those Missionaries around the Globe ... Frozen with a dig at Global warming ... Mamma Mia with a nod to the fires in Greece in the Summer ...
I'm very uncomfortable with the comments that "if I were there >violence<" etc. Like most of us, I guess, I've seen the vids online of the protestors (middle-class yuppies??) in traffic in London being physically attacked. Christ - bigger picture, the enemy is this Government and the backtracking on the commitment to achieving net zero. Quoting Al Gore two weeks ago: "I find it shocking, really disappointing, I think Rishi Sunak has done the wrong thing.. Fossil fuel companies have used their wealth to slow things down.. They're much better at capturing politicians than emissions.. You can tell when they've captured one"
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 9:00:54 GMT
If I were in the oil industry and intent on promoting it, I would be covertly funding JSO. JSO is more successful than any lobby group in driving public opinion against support for green policies. This is why they are "tolerated" by oil firms. You've hit the nail on the head (not about funding) but about them being self-defeating in trying to persuade public opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 9:05:59 GMT
Curious to see how some in the west end react to this. Only last week I saw a few 'it may be an inconvenience to you (the go slows/protest), but that's nothing to the inconvenience of climate change' type posts after the nyc flooding.
Now the inconvenience is on their turf I'm wondering if they'll be so accepting.
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 9:16:34 GMT
Les Mis? Book of Mormon surely with it's higher carbon footprint, sending all those Missionaries around the Globe ... Frozen with a dig at Global warming ... Mamma Mia with a nod to the fires in Greece in the Summer ... I'm very uncomfortable with the comments that "if I were there >violence<" etc. Like most of us, I guess, I've seen the vids online of the protestors (middle-class yuppies??) in traffic in London being physically attacked. Christ - bigger picture, the enemy is this Government and the backtracking on the commitment to achieving net zero. Quoting Al Gore two weeks ago: "I find it shocking, really disappointing, I think Rishi Sunak has done the wrong thing.. Fossil fuel companies have used their wealth to slow things down.. They're much better at capturing politicians than emissions.. You can tell when they've captured one" Look at the geopolitics - America wants everybody else to commit to net-zero, whilst expanding drilling and fracking. Net-zero is simply an impossible dream right now (at least 2030/2035 objectives. 2050 is more realistic in terms of infrastructure development, hydrogen capabilities and avoiding jumping from frying pan to fire with extensive over-mining of lithium. As usual, politicians will jump on any bandwagon that makes them popular or appear down with the kids, but in reality the issue of global warming and net-zero is a much longer project than most of our lifetimes, and politicians love to over-promise and under-deliver. Oil and gas are here in their current form for at least the next twenty years, and the transition to cleaner greener living will take a little longer than the JSO fascists might like, but I believe in the ingenuity of humankind and that we will get there eventually. What mustn't happen is some kind of social pressganging which will simply leave the poorest worse off or unable to make the jump. Many of the JSO hi-vis brigade simply don't know what it is like for the average Joe trying to earn a living and provide for their nearest and dearest.
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Post by Jon on Oct 5, 2023 9:21:31 GMT
Just stop Oil, Greenpeace and other woke groups should bebanned like a terrorist groups I don't agree with Greenpeace as they have been going years but I'd do it to JSO in a hearbeat. Greenpeace being described as woke is utterly amusing.
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Post by toomasj on Oct 5, 2023 9:28:59 GMT
I’m sure some would say Greenpeace are a museum protest group; completely behind the times. They need someone to come in and modernise them. Museum piece - or museum Greenpeace if you will
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Post by nash16 on Oct 5, 2023 9:46:52 GMT
Yes, was thinking of exactly that moment. And Cam M’s horror captured on film for all time. He deeserves nothing less. People’s attitudes of “how DARE you ruin my evening out” are… Reading a lot of the reactions on here is actually quite scary. What did he sing in BTTF? “My myopia is my utopia.” Well, your utopia is on fire, babes. I think people get enraged by them because they know, deep down, that JSO are absolutely right. “But my night out! My night OUT!!” We’re screwed. Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar. Good on JSO. It may affect one evening or one drive, but for the price we’re all going to pay in the future, a little deviation from what was planned, and a moment to confront what the bigger importance is; just vital. And they’re number one on BBC News so they’re still getting publicity in the right ways. I’m sure if they could have infiltrated the Tories (as they have done many times before) at their rally, they would have. Do we know if there’s footage of Cameron reacting to the news? He’d be PURPLE! To be fair, this was nothing compared to his own protest at the rehearsals of 'Barnum', as filmed for that C4 documentary. CM joining in last night could have gone something like this: 'Listen, you may want an end to new oil licences and a future for the planet you and your children will inherit, but I want 'Colours of My Life', and I'm supergluing myself to the barricades until I get it!'
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Post by nash16 on Oct 5, 2023 9:49:00 GMT
Erm, if you think they’ve achieved nothing in terms of highlighting the major problem hurtling towards our near futures, you might want to check newsfeeds here in the U.K./around the world. They front paged it. Those audience reactions. It’s brilliant. And depressing. You couldn’t write it. Do they know what they’re watching? The themes and content? Made me roar. Good on JSO. It may affect one evening or one drive, but for the price we’re all going to pay in the future, a little deviation from what was planned, and a moment to confront what the bigger importance is; just vital. And they’re number one on BBC News so they’re still getting publicity in the right ways. I’m sure if they could have infiltrated the Tories (as they have done many times before) at their rally, they would have. Do we know if there’s footage of Cameron reacting to the news? He’d be PURPLE! But this has achieved nothing! Publicity and attention for a few brief moments will not change anything. If you think that it’s justified at the expense of ruining theatre for all these people, then I really think you’re on the wrong forum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 10:06:38 GMT
Being on the front page of a newspaper is not the same as actually achieving anything for the cause. Awareness of climate change and the challenges we face has never been higher. 'Creating awareness' is an outdated excuse now.
People are already well aware of the issue, what they're doing is alienating people who are/were already on their side.
Targeting the general public instead of the people in power who actually make decisions has no positive impact for the issues. They could also target the countries we really need to change their habits, but of course they wouldn't dare.
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Post by danb on Oct 5, 2023 10:21:07 GMT
What the press should have done is NOT publicised it, thereby removing their oxygen and not punishing people that may well support them.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 5, 2023 10:33:34 GMT
There are probably some members of this board who are much older that I am and therefore have been attending theatre for much longer and I'm just curious if anyone is aware this sort of thing has happened before?
I can understand a show stopping because of a technical fault, a problem with a set piece or a cast member falling ill however to have to stop a show for this or similar reasons- it's not something that I am consciously aware of?
The only thing I can recall was back home when a contestant was evicted from the Big Brother house in the time he travelled from the house to the studio he (somehow) managed to get hold of some masking tape where, for obvious reasons, he couldn't be interviewed about his time in the house. But something like that pales into insignificance compared with what happened last night!
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 10:36:48 GMT
If I were in the oil industry and intent on promoting it, I would be covertly funding JSO. JSO is more successful than any lobby group in driving public opinion against support for green policies. Also worth saying that there are ways of campaigning very effectively without alienating your target demographic, witness Led By Donkeys.
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 10:46:25 GMT
Erm, if you think they’ve achieved nothing in terms of highlighting the major problem hurtling towards our near futures, you might want to check newsfeeds here in the U.K./around the world. They front paged it. It is beyond doubt that, with this stunt, JSO have achieved a great deal. The oil industry will be absolutely delighted. People who care about the environment will now be thinking twice about wanting to be associated with this movement, and the climate-change deniers will feel emboldened.
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 10:48:53 GMT
Yes, was thinking of exactly that moment. And Cam M’s horror captured on film for all time. He deeserves nothing less. People’s attitudes of “how DARE you ruin my evening out” are… Reading a lot of the reactions on here is actually quite scary. What did he sing in BTTF? “My myopia is my utopia.” Well, your utopia is on fire, babes. I think people get enraged by them because they know, deep down, that JSO are absolutely right. “But my night out! My night OUT!!” We’re screwed. To be fair, this was nothing compared to his own protest at the rehearsals of 'Barnum', as filmed for that C4 documentary. CM joining in last night could have gone something like this: 'Listen, you may want an end to new oil licences and a future for the planet you and your children will inherit, but I want 'Colours of My Life', and I'm supergluing myself to the barricades until I get it!' If you're quoting BTTF, I think "...you're children are gonna love it..." would be more appropriate. JSO is a childish attempt at disruptive anarchy by people with no purpose in life - they're either silly little student kids or retired old has-beens, all of whom think soft protests will make a difference. They look decidly amateur compared to more organised groups. This is while the oil companies tolerate them, because they pose little or no threat other than to sway public opinion against their cause. JSO are the biggest threat to green goals and ambitions - rich-backer funded anarchy. It's Brexit all over again.
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Post by SuttonPeron on Oct 5, 2023 10:55:19 GMT
From all I´ve seen on social media, most industry people who´ve applauded JSO all live in/can easily commute to London and can go to a show whenever they want without having to pay for overpriced hotels and transport. Curious, to say the least!
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Post by ceebee on Oct 5, 2023 10:57:26 GMT
Erm, if you think they’ve achieved nothing in terms of highlighting the major problem hurtling towards our near futures, you might want to check newsfeeds here in the U.K./around the world. They front paged it. It is beyond doubt that, with this stunt, JSO have achieved a great deal. The oil industry will be absolutely delighted. People who care about the environment will now be thinking twice about wanting to be associated with this movement, and the climate-change deniers will feel emboldened. You are absolutely spot on with your evaluation. JSO and their ilk have a permanent presence outside several oil co headquarters - nobody gives a sh*t because they are flaccid little Tarquin and Jemima sorts, or retired pensioners from the home counties. JSO isn't organised in any way or form, it relies on hi-vis tactics (literally) and anybody with an ounce of brain should question the underlying tactics behind JSO - I would argue that their tactics alone have emboldened the current government with the confidence to backtrack on several "progress" initiatives, as it tries to claw back populist votes from frustrated motorists and working class voters who are being hit financially left, right and centre. JSO is funded disruption by people who either choose not to work or don't need to work, and their modus operandi is nothing to do with their core intentions and everything to do with maximising disruption and frustration for the masses. It is a perverse attempt at posturing and power play, and one day it will get seriously out of hand when they misjudge their next big hit and somebody ends up getting hurt. (But of course, that's what they want - it's sociopolitical gladiatorial behaviour, which won't end until there is bloodshed. Rightly or wrongly.)
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Post by nash16 on Oct 5, 2023 11:02:04 GMT
Thank you for making me laugh. 😂 It is beyond doubt that, with this stunt, JSO have achieved a great deal. The oil industry will be absolutely delighted. People who care about the environment will now be thinking twice about wanting to be associated with this movement, and the climate-change deniers will feel emboldened. You are absolutely spot on with your evaluation. JSO and their ilk have a permanent presence outside several oil co headquarters - nobody gives a sh*t because they are flaccid little Tarquin and Jemima sorts, or retired pensioners from the home counties. JSO isn't organised in any way or form, it relies on hi-vis tactics (literally) and anybody with an ounce of brain should question the underlying tactics behind JSO - I would argue that their tactics alone have emboldened the current government with the confidence to backtrack on several "progress" initiatives, as it tries to claw back populist votes from frustrated motorists and working class voters who are being hit financially left, right and centre. JSO is funded disruption by people who either choose not to work or don't need to work, and their modus operandi is nothing to do with their core intentions and everything to do with maximising disruption and frustration for the masses. It is a perverse attempt at posturing and power play, and one day it will get seriously out of hand when they misjudge their next big hit and somebody ends up getting hurt. (But of course, that's what they want - it's sociopolitical gladiatorial behaviour, which won't end until there is bloodshed. Rightly or wrongly.)
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Post by Being Alive on Oct 5, 2023 11:06:19 GMT
That's objectively very funny 😂
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Post by Alejo on Oct 5, 2023 11:32:12 GMT
What concerns me is the video showing staff standing on stage doing nothing. Ok, so these turned out to be peaceful protesters, albeit ones with no human empathy for the hundreds of people whose night they ruined, but what if they had had more nefarious objectives? If 9/11 and what happened on those planes taught us anything, it's that, whether you are an employee or a bystander, the instant you see people attempting to disrupt, you don't just go all ostrich; you get immediately involved and stop it going any further. It's a good thing I wasn't sat near any of those stage invaders tonight. Why, what would you have done? The video shows the situation was dealt with effectively, professionally and proportionately by stage management. Comparing it to 9/11 is a disgrace, and your comments are just bravado on an online forum.
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Post by mkb on Oct 5, 2023 11:42:22 GMT
What concerns me is the video showing staff standing on stage doing nothing. Ok, so these turned out to be peaceful protesters, albeit ones with no human empathy for the hundreds of people whose night they ruined, but what if they had had more nefarious objectives? If 9/11 and what happened on those planes taught us anything, it's that, whether you are an employee or a bystander, the instant you see people attempting to disrupt, you don't just go all ostrich; you get immediately involved and stop it going any further. It's a good thing I wasn't sat near any of those stage invaders tonight. Why, what would you have done? The video shows the situation was dealt with effectively, professionally and proportionately by stage management. Comparing it to 9/11 is a disgrace, and your comments are just bravado on an online forum. I woudn't call having to cancel a performance "effective" management. I didn't compare to 9/11. I talked about lessons learnt from that regarding the bystander effect.
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Post by christya on Oct 5, 2023 12:06:02 GMT
Every time they pull crap like this, they just help out the next politician who wants to further restrict protests. Front page means nothing when what people are talking about is that they're a bunch of idiots who need to be stopped from doing this sort of thing.
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Post by toomasj on Oct 5, 2023 12:11:56 GMT
Every time they pull crap like this, they just help out the next politician who wants to further restrict protests. Front page means nothing when what people are talking about is that they're a bunch of idiots who need to be stopped from doing this sort of thing. Absolutely this. It’s so tone deaf and inept it feels like a false flag operation. Completely idiotic from JSO.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Oct 5, 2023 13:28:45 GMT
JSO are selfish brats. Publicity on the front page doesn’t turn into any sort of useful action. If it does, I will eat my words, but I’ve yet to see any progress from their stupidity.
And re the ‘my night OUT!’ comment, many people don’t live on the theatre’s doorstep. A huge amount of effort and planning may have gone into some people’s trips. It’s not *just* a night out.
And I know a theatre visit is insignificant compared to our planet but that doesn’t excuse people interfering in this way. Especially when it doesn’t bloody achieve anything!
We’re not stupid. We don’t need awareness being raised. That’s not the answer.
Completely selfish brats last night.
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Post by Oobi on Oct 5, 2023 13:31:07 GMT
Well, your utopia is on fire, babes. I think people get enraged by them because they know, deep down, that JSO are absolutely right. “But my night out! My night OUT!!” JSO defenders live in a peculiar no-man's land where almost any amount of petty, untargeted cruelty can be excused, but actually mounting direct resistance against the forces driving climate change is somehow infeasible. If JSO are "right", then what are you even doing on this forum? Why are you treating yourself to "nights out" while simultaneously decrying "nights out" as selfish, privileged diversions that nobody is entitled to enjoy?
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