Just Stop Oil Protest

This protest was also on the same day as a football match between Newcastle and Paris Saint germain two teams owned by oil rich nation states. Surely a more logical target.

Frankly, they are stupid and offensive conclusions.

I wish these people would take their politics elsewhere.

We are here to discuss theatre.

Several hundred theatregoers had their evening ruined, so I'd say the discussion is relevant.

It's these kind of generalisations that make me chuckle.  So, basically, anybody who disagrees with Just Stop Oil's modus operandi rather than their underlying beliefs is right wing...  That's an odd conclusion to reach.  But then I voted green at the last local elections despite driving a gas guzzling 4x4 and regularly burning tree and grass clippings in my garden.  It is a west facing garden though, so could technically be described as left wing.

I am mostly offended by how useless they have been.


They have absolutely alienated the working class in London by targeting the cheapest ways to get to work (especially the buses which are anyway almost entirely electric now). And as for standing on the roof of DLR and other trains at East London stations like Stratford and Custom House .. it's clueless.

If they were determined to be a tiny faction intent on alienating the wider public from the issue, they could not have been more successful. At some point, you almost expect the big reveal of secret funding from Saudi or somewhere.

I didn't see a back and forth of left vs right. I just saw a generalisation. That said, politics clearly do come in to the debate when discussing Just Stop Oil (though they have gone quiet recently - perhaps it's the cold months and they don't come out, or perhaps they've realised those of us who drive will probably stick to combustion engines for a couple of decades more yet).

With all due respect you made comments in that direction roughly 5 hours ago.

I will just ignore the political banter but it is irritating to see a post about an awful incident in a theatre have to descend into a thread where people who disagree with the tactics of the protesters are labelled as right wing/Daily Mail readers and so on.... 

It doesn't belong here. 

Unfortunately, despite theatre and art patrons presenting a facade of progressivism and forward thinking and purporting to support green causes, nothing rattles the elder generations more than having to give up some of their excessive privilege and convenience for the benefit of the majority and especially future generations. The discussions of LTNs and JSO protests here are embarrassing, and wouldn't be out of place on the Daily Mail's comments sections. More protests and more LTNs!

But what have the protests achieved - and that is a serious question.  If we use the example of the protest at Les Mis which started this conversation, what has it actually achieved?  I haven't seen swarms of people joining the cause, I haven't seen any debate in parliament around green initiatives as a result of JSO, I haven't seen any changes in peoples behaviour around being green.  I have seen a large number of people angry and frustrated by JSO - so the only thing I can see that it is achieved is people turning against them, ruining a night out for the theatre-goers, criminal damage to the production and public money being wasted prosecuting them.

I love when they turn up on TV, because they absolutely embarrass themselves, contradict themselves (then blame the interviewer of being against them) then throw generalisations around similar to yours that either your with me or your an older / tory / want the world to die.

So for my over generalisation (and I am not an older person, right wing or a Tory) lock up all the LTN and JSO protestors in a prison on a remote island so we don't have to suffer them.

Someone chose to re-ignite this debate when the topic had been quiet for a while. I'd suggest we leave it open until the Les Mis mob have had their case concluded and we can constructively comment on that. But then maybe close the topic.