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Post by max on Oct 4, 2023 9:21:43 GMT
Okay, I'm being a bit playful here, but....
Were the shows we got from Sondheim, Rice/Lloyd Webber, Kander & Ebb, Yeston actually the aberration, and I simply thought they were the default due to me coming to consciousness of theatre at a particular time: the 70s and 80s?
Everything in new writing seems so damn 'feel good' these days. I don't want to be part of a cosy gang, coddled and flattered by the creatives / producers and told I'm part of their club (usually as a ruse to part with even more of my money).
Are we back to what musicals were 'supposed to be' - light entertainment, sometimes with just enough roughage to make you not feel dumb for going? I've seen theatre critics a couple of times recently saying things like 'does/doesn't have the uplift you expect in a musical'. I don't expect that as a defining factor of what a musical should be.
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Oct 4, 2023 9:36:32 GMT
Interesting question. Personally I'm ONLY interested in light entertainment and I wouldn't attend a serious play - or a similar musical - like say A Little Life even if I was paid to do so.
I came into my musical theatre passion via CD soundtracks and I want to feel good and smile or laugh a lot during a show, not the reverse.
I like cosy and fun stuff but then that's just me, unashamedly shallow and maybe a bit dumb, and I take the same view with what I watch at the cinema and on TV.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Oct 4, 2023 9:55:41 GMT
I mean I think there are two different issues here, and one is that a lot of theatre critics (as Sondheim often lamented) are not specialists so they often don't know what they talk about when they review musicals. We had an exemple of that in most reviews of the Donmar production of Next to Normal. The majority of musicals have always been musical comedies and – with some exceptions – the West End in particular has always leaned towards lighter musicals. I am not talking about the mock grand operas like Phantom or Les Miz, but musicals for grown-ups (except for Sondheim's) have always had a harder time in London, and shows with darker or more delicate themes like Spring Awakening or Rent were huge flops.
Sondheim, Kander & Ebb, Yeston were a bit of an exception even in their days. Cabaret competed for the Tony Award for Best Musical against I Do! I Do!, Walking Happy, and The Apple Tree, all musical comedies. West Side Story lost to The Music Man, Follies lost to Two Gentlemen of Verona, Sunday in the Park with George lost to La Cage aux Folles, all musical comedies.
Besides, it's factually not true all new writing is "feel good". In the past fifteen years or so we had shows like Next to Normal, A Strange Loop, Hadestown, Fun Home, The Band's Visit etc, just to name the ones that received major critical recognition and awards. With the exception of Hadestown, none of them did particularly well at the box office. It is frustrating that 53 years after Company and almost 80 years after Carousel musicals are still overwhelmingly considered light entertainment, but that's where the money goes. And luckily we have brilliant composers like Jeanine Tesori, David Yazbek, Scott Frankel, Adam Guettel, Dave Molloy, and Jason Robert Brown (who couldn't write a hit to save his own life) writing compelling scores.
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Post by distantcousin on Oct 6, 2023 10:57:58 GMT
Great post. Also coming of age in the same era, I also feel the same.
There are hardly ANY musicals created in the 21st century I've truly connected with. And I generally can't put my finger on the reasons why.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 6, 2023 11:00:20 GMT
You can go and see Rebecca- will make you lose the will to live…
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Post by BVM on Oct 6, 2023 13:15:30 GMT
Okay, I'm being a bit playful here, but.... Were the shows we got from Sondheim, Rice/Lloyd Webber, Kander & Ebb, Yeston actually the aberration, and I simply thought they were the default due to me coming to consciousness of theatre at a particular time: the 70s and 80s? Everything in new writing seems so damn 'feel good' these days. I don't want to be part of a cosy gang, coddled and flattered by the creatives / producers and told I'm part of their club (usually as a ruse to part with even more of my money).Are we back to what musicals were 'supposed to be' - light entertainment, sometimes with just enough roughage to make you not feel dumb for going? I've seen theatre critics a couple of times recently saying things like 'does/doesn't have the uplift you expect in a musical'. I don't expect that as a defining factor of what a musical should be. I similarly feel this! And came to theatre in a similar era (though more 80's/90's skew). I do struggle to connect with much modern stuff and majority of stuff I love these days seems to be revivals of shows from my youth.
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