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Post by sph on Jun 9, 2024 21:43:09 GMT
During the show I was thinking about how the plot could have gone in different directions... When Ruby's husband said he had seen someone at then end of the pier (which I assume is Joan), the twist could've been that Joan never made it to America and had been living out of sight in Blackpool the whole time, like the mad woman in the attic in Jane Eyre. Another one was when Gloria goes up to visit mother whilst Joan and Gillian chat in the kitchen - I was convinced Gillian was going to smother and kill the mother so that Joan could never see her. The idea of Joan leaving home but never making it to America actually would have worked a bit better I think. It did strike me as a bit jarring that this girl from a run down hotel in Blackpool was suddenly living it up in 60s Hollywood before her career burned out. Like two massively different cultures colliding in act 3.
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Post by sweets7 on Jun 10, 2024 7:12:25 GMT
She was slept with that guy. Who had her make one album has payment I guess. Could have continued sleeping with him. She didn’t have a career in America. She’d been flitting about as far as I could tell.
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Post by duncan on Jun 12, 2024 20:57:38 GMT
Jez Butterworth and Sam Mendes reunite to give us the world of 1956/76 in a Blackpool guest house.
It starts as three sisters arguing over what to do next and how they have been living in the shadow of their mothers ambition. Joan has escaped to America and having had some success, Jill has remained in the home looking after her mother, Gloria has become a bitter middle aged woman and Ruby is living her boring life in Rochdale. All 4 have been scarred by Veronica - the stage mother from hell.
Over the course of the first two acts we get scenes in 1976 as the daughters combine and then the second half of the two acts takes us back to 1956 and the girls chance to impress an American manager who is looking for an act for the London Palladium.
If you've ever seen All My Sons then this is essentially that but with a 1950 female singing troupe as the Macguffin instead of Plane parts. We start off thinking we know what has happened but the 1956 scenes reveal the truth as the onion like layers of the plot are peeled back to reveal that what we think happened didn't actually happen the way that way- Joan didn't split the act, the mother offered herself and then let her daughter (at 15) have sexual relations with the manager and wracked with guilt has become a shambling alcoholic who is dying offstage (only seen in the flashbacks). My reading was of the mother slumping into alcohol abuse because she knows she created a monster in Joan and not because of what she allowed to happen to her.
Gloria has become embittered because she overheard it all (the mother and manager coming to a decision, Joan willingly taking the chance to seduce an older man so she can escape her back street life) and was cast adrift by the actions. Jill loves looking after her mother and is a 32 year old virgin.
Gloria is fuming at Joan not being there as the mother is close to death, Jill and Ruby are sure that Joan will arrive.
So far so setup and then we get the third act.
In the end Joan arrives and the truth will out. And here we have Laura Donnelly (playing the mother in the flashbacks) giving us her dreadful American accent as the prodigal returns but bizarrely it fits into the character. Joan is nothing but a narcissistic loser who moves from one job to the next and from one man to the next. Her career fizzled out long ago and the dreams her two sisters had about her life and career are shown to be a sham. Joan got what she wanted in 1956 - she moved out of Blackpool and didn't care who she stomped on or slept with to do it.
Things come to a head as Jill and Joan collide over the decision Joan makes not to see the mother before she dies.
Helena Wilson knocks it out of the park as Jill - happy to be a carer and happy to have the memory of childhood performing. The mousy forgotten one that hasn't managed to escape to Rochdale or California but who is still happy with her lot. Nicola Turner as the young Jill in the 1956 flashbacks also looks uncannily like her. Its just a shame that we've got a couple of minor characters too many as the younger versions of the girls could do with some more fleshing out to highlight the traits that lead them to the '76 versions. Donnelly is saddled with the fake accent from hell although I'm saying its deliberate in an attempt to show us that Joan for all her fancy living claims is still acting the part to get what she wants.
We discover Ruby is actually happy in her life.
and in the end the person who comes out a winner in it all is Jill, Joan has come back to dump her new baby on the family so she can tour with the Stones (or some such). It'll only be for a month or two but everyone knows that Joan isn't ever coming back so Jill in one night loses her mother but gains a child. Giving her someone else to care for going forward - its that tired old trope you see in the likes of Eastenders or Corrie all the time. Someone must die the same day a baby is born.
Joan walks out as they coo over the baby. She's shallow, facile, horrible, a user. The sisters who idolised her are happy to let her go - she has served her purpose by giving them a new one.
Its certainly an interesting choice from where we've started at - the winner is the one that the rest see as a loser and the one that the other sisters had stomped all over their ambitions turns out to be the biggest loser of them all. A horrible person willing to sacrifice her relationship with her own child for a probably non-existent gig.
Anyway its all about times changing and how people adapt - Veronica can't see that her ambitions are not what all the girls want and that the act she is getting them to do is years out of date, she can't adapt and so must die so that her daughters can finally come to terms with their past and move on. Joan has adapted before the play starts, she is the rebel with a cause, but over time can't adapt in a different way to changing times - 20 years later she's still acting as the rebellious teenager and wholly unable to see how she is now as out of step with 1976 as her mother was with 1956.
Sam Mendes is relying on the stage revolving to symbolise where we are both geographically and time wise. And I also think he could have tightened this up both plot and cast wise. The plotting sees a couple of children appear for essentially a scene and a half and then vanish from the story -they are there to tell us that Gloria doesn't obey the rules but aside from that they offer nothing storywise and could easily be kept off stage for the entire runtime (it hit me later that the daughter was clearly there to be an understudy for the 1956 girls). Then before the end we have Shaun Dooley as Bill (Mr Gloria) tell us about the mysterious women he's just met on the North Pier. Now it seemed clear that its supposed to be Joan and there will be a big reveal any minute now......but it never comes, its just a rambling story about a woman on the pier and I was left scratching my head.
You could put that down to Butterworth seemingly being destined to write something that again runs for 3 hours - as the layers of the onion are peeled off and the mysteries etc are solved its very engaging and well put together but its overstaffed on stage. There is a lot going on between 1956 and 1976 that we never get to see but which is relayed in such a fashion to make us fill in the blanks in our own minds. Once we find out what Veronica has done in Act 2 it becomes clear why the guest house and herself have become rundown over the last two decades.
Personally I found Jerusalem to be a tad boring and The Ferryman to be a masterpiece and this falls somewhere in the middle. The three hours flew by but it needs an outsider to take a look at the material and excise the flab.
I'm not sure how much the New York crowd will embrace a 3 hour play based in a rundown Blackpool guest house though.
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Post by seanathan on Jun 16, 2024 14:46:00 GMT
I saw this back in April on a pretty good theatre roulette ticket (Row D stalls), with no idea who Jez Butterworth was. Enjoyed the play a lot more than I expected - the synopsis really didn't make it sound like my cup of tea, but the acting was brilliant, singing equally so, and I had a good time. I thought the set was great, fun use of height, especially with the end of act 2.
Like others, I did find it a bit on the long side. I'm not sure if anyone else has had issues here, but in Row D, the sheer quantity of herbal cigarette smoke had me nauseous by the time bows came around.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 16, 2024 15:17:33 GMT
I saw this back in April on a pretty good theatre roulette ticket (Row D stalls), with no idea who Jez Butterworth was. Enjoyed the play a lot more than I expected - the synopsis really didn't make it sound like my cup of tea, but the acting was brilliant, singing equally so, and I had a good time. I thought the set was great, fun use of height, especially with the end of act 2. Like others, I did find it a bit on the long side. I'm not sure if anyone else has had issues here, but in Row D, the sheer quantity of herbal cigarette smoke had me nauseous by the time bows came around. Agree. For the first time ever I left feeling sick due to the herbal cigs they smoked almost constantly. Just disgusting.
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Post by dgd on Jun 16, 2024 21:11:22 GMT
Saw this June 12th matinée. Dated my now wife whilst working in Blackpool in the Heat of 76. I do not think this very enjoyable play is a masterpiece and the references to a hot Blackpool and 70s products are quite shallow. I kept thi king of Gypsy in a Lancashire accent. The performances were splendid but the highlight for me were the number of beautifully sung close harmony tunes crowned with my favourite It Never EnteredMy Mind.
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