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Post by nick on Dec 14, 2023 16:27:26 GMT
They could still have a bad day on Saturday and lose it. But it seems unlikely I’ve been Ellie for a while but Bobby was stunning last week. If he does that again, who knows. Although I suspect at this stage it’s simply a popularity contest. Whoever has been voted for most will continue the trend and take the glitter ball And as Ellie hasn’t been in a dance off surely she’s favourite on that score?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 14, 2023 16:36:20 GMT
I know the Strictly Spoiler poll is not fully representative but it has been in line with the results thus far.
So Ellie being way ahead in terms of the public vote (low 50s in terms of percentage) does make the outcome feel inevitable. But we have had two withdrawals so far and it is not impossible for there to be a last minute injury that throws everything back up into the air.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 19:09:51 GMT
Hamza and Jowita were down the judges "guidance" scores in last year's final but still won. The polls and more importantly the bookies think Ellie is a lock to win. I'd think most people have made up their mind which way to vote but lets say Ellie fell on her rear and was marked down on one dance would it sway many voters and which way would they switch if they did.
I'll throw in a slight curveball Layton and Nikita have the capacity to do a total scene stealing showdance which could push votes their way.
I've voted on here for Ellie and Vito to win because I think they will. I think Layton and Nikita are the best dancers but Ellie has progressed further from her starting base. I've always liked Layton and Dianne so if another couple wins I'd be okay with that. Nothing against Bobby or Nitika either. Ellie I watched for many years in Corrie really enjoyed when her character was in tandem with Emma and the chaos she caused her, Vito has been really entertaining this series too with his quick fire explanations and is a fine dancer.
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Post by Matt on Dec 14, 2023 21:58:12 GMT
Watching yesterday’s ITT and didn’t realise the Charleston was only introduced in 2011. Are there any other Latin or ballroom dances that could potentially be added in the future?
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Post by danb on Dec 14, 2023 22:13:14 GMT
I hear ‘The Birdie Song’ is being considered for next year…
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Post by ladidah on Dec 15, 2023 8:27:11 GMT
I do think that Layton's show dance will be amazing, but because a lot of his other dances have that feel, it will mean his actual show dance has less impact.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 17:15:58 GMT
Watching yesterday’s ITT and didn’t realise the Charleston was only introduced in 2011. Are there any other Latin or ballroom dances that could potentially be added in the future? They could go a bit leftfield and maybe introdunce something like "street/urban dance". But having a quick look at listed ballroom dances the only one not inclued or very similar to existing dances could be the Bolero. This is described as a Rumba but with rise and fall. It might be sdomething a rumba specialist like Shirley has danced but would many of the current pros have done it. Also the Rumba is often the "dance of death" as many go out the week they have that so I don't see much appetite for the Bolero personally and everyone thinks of Torville and Dean with that anyway. But if there are dances which the pros can do or easily be guided on then I'd be up for freshening up one dance per series. Maybe keep the real crowd pleasers but have say 4 or 5 rotating so one gets a year off each year.
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Post by curiouskc on Dec 15, 2023 18:40:24 GMT
I do think that Layton's show dance will be amazing, but because a lot of his other dances have that feel, it will mean his actual show dance has less impact. Layton & Nikita are seemingly doing Fosse-esq Theatre/Jazz for their Showdance, another variant of a Couples Choice style that they haven't done before (but will definitely suit them). Trying something new rather than doing a 'Best Of' is a powerful move I feel. Bobby's sounds very Ballroom heavy and Ellie's sounds very Latin. L&N's routine is being choreographed by the same guy who arranged their Charleston and Nikita has said it's even more challenging. So...how much impact do you need? I'm pretty sure Layton could float off the dancefloor mid-routine and his critics would still find a way to sniff at it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2023 18:55:28 GMT
Layton is the best dancer on the show amongst the celebs but was already an elite dancer when he joined the show so was always a likely finalist but not going to win.
I've enjoyed his dances and I'm sure his showdance will be spectacular.
I'd always like to know who these other choreographers are, we hear a name but never see them. Jason Gilkison we know about but I think the first time I saw what he looked like was on the front of Hello when he and his husband got married and the pros were at the wedding.
The lovely Maria Tsiatsiani who is apparently the show's Argentine Tango choreographer I've only discovered as she's been doing a lot of the exercise routines on Morning Live.
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Post by karloscar on Dec 15, 2023 20:01:12 GMT
Matt Flint is the other choreographer who has been working with Ellie and Vito, and Layton and Nikita on their showdances ( not sure if he's also doing Bobby and Diane's too). All three couples are good enough to produce something spectacular for the finale, but it's been quite a few years since anyone pulled off a showdance that changed the expected outcome like ,say, Louis Smith did in 2012.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 15, 2023 21:08:57 GMT
I am rather tired of the idea that anyone who doesn't think that Layton would be the likely winner is a hater.
It is, as I have said from the point at which he was announced, a case of the public not warming to someone who has entered the show having spent a significant part of his life involved with dance at a professional level.
It is the Ashley Roberts situation all over again.
Nothing about hating Layton and everything about acknowledging that the Strictly audience responds best to journey contestants.
Layton started as a great dancer, there is no doubt about that. He ends as a great dancer with a broader range of techniques at his disposal.
Ellie and Bobby started with little to no dance experience and thus their journey has been significant.
I do think that those doing the choreography for Layton did rely too heavily on his ability to deliver tricks and the showy side of his dance. More focus on the basics for each dance would have actually helped his relation with the judges and the voting audience. This is not his fault but when so many of his routines have felt more like a CC or show dance, I can understand why he was pulled up on the lack of basic content on a number of occasions.
I don't hate Layton. I don't hate Nikita.
I do prefer contestants who start from a very basic level of dance and who progress in leaps and bounds. And it would seem that those who vote share that sort of view.
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Post by theatreian on Dec 15, 2023 22:40:30 GMT
The whole promise of the show surely has always been how well a non dancer could be taught to dance by a dancer. This through no fault of his own is why Layton will probably not win. Everyone knows his experience with dance and although not in Ballroom and Latin, there is no question he is at advantage over the non dancers.
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Post by curiouskc on Dec 16, 2023 7:53:30 GMT
I am rather tired of the idea that anyone who doesn't think that Layton would be the likely winner is a hater. I appear to be the biggest Layton supporter on this board and I don't think he has a cat in Hell's chance of winning. Trust that Ringer fans like me know the score. I was a big Ashley fan too back in the day. Last year I was thrilled to see my fave Fleur dancing rings around the other finalists even knowing she had no chance of lifting the Glitterball. Honestly when you love the Ringers, you're just happy if they make it all the way. You just don't want to miss out on them being A-Ma-Zing. Layton has had a journey, it's just not the cookie cutter journey that people want to see replicated every year (why can there only be one type of journey?). This Radio Times article summed up really well how he's had higher highs and lower lows than any other finalist. His previous dance experience hasn't meant he can automatically master every B/L technique (#Laytoncan'twaltz). And even when he does nail a routine, Layton critics will insist he didn't do the technique, he just did another Showdance. Please do note I'm using the term 'Layton critics', not Layton haters. Both types of anti-Layton viewer do exist but I acknowledge there's a difference and I'm thankful I haven't seen any of the latter type around here. But I do think his critics can be unfair in this most common generalization. L&N bringing back their AT for the final - a dance with no tricks, danced mostly in hold, with a heavy emphasis on complex AT footwork. Why isn't this acknowledged as a prime example of Layton focusing on technique? Also, why do people complain about Layton being showy and doing tricks in routines like his Charleston when every contestant does tricks in their Charlestons? A lot of these dances are meant to be showy! I'm fine with Ellie winning, she's deserving, but I do call bullsh*t on her being hailed as a great journey contestant. Her nickname Miss Consistency is a fitting one. She was one of the best dancers from the start and (like Layton) has never scored lower than a 7 in the entire run. As the only contestant this season to never be in the DO she's also not had to up her game like Layton and Bobby have in recent weeks. If the stereotypical Strictly journey is what matters then Bobby should be the winner. He's the actual novice (hush hush about Ellie's ballet & tap training) and while I said midseason that he didn't seem to be improving, his QS in the Semis was a massive leap forward. Yet Bobby's third on most every poll I've seen. If people want to pretend Ellie has had this huge 'leaps and bounds!' improvement over the course of the show (which her consistently high leader-board placements in no way back up), then ok, if that's what you're buying into. For me, Ellie has just been the best all-rounder. Which as a journey goes is frankly boring, but I'd say consistency and versatility are still deserving of merit.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 16, 2023 13:41:38 GMT
I haven't seen a single complaint about Layton doing tricks in his Charleston. Everyone expected it to be a dance that would suit him.
I have seen comments that it wasn't as together as it should have been and that the judges were wrong to praise it for being perfectly in sync.
As for the AS, my main issue was with the music choice making it feel inauthentic and that the overall feel of the routine was rather too frenetic.
Neither of these were Layton's fault.
I fully understand the desire to exploit Layton's existing strengths on the part of choreographers. Their job is to make the contestants look good. They have done that. Layton can dance. But they did it at the expense of showing that he could truly master the core elements of each style on a number of occasions.
Again not Layton's fault.
I do think the judges were far too generous in their marking in the early weeks giving a false impression as to the quality of the dancing.
And we all know this is not a dancing competition where the best dancer wins year after year. It is an entertainment show and a popularity contest based around dancing.
It is arguably unfair on contestants like Ashley and Layton to set them up for negative reactions and the blame for that lies with the producers.
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Post by Matt on Dec 16, 2023 19:31:06 GMT
“Remember tonight’s judges scores are just a guide as it’s the final”.
When have they ever been anything but a guide? Every week is a pure public vote.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 16, 2023 19:56:37 GMT
Strange how Craig didn’t mention Layton’s feet pointing inwards throughout his Quickstep. He usually picks up on that sort of detail. Unless there’s a preset agenda to give Layton 10 points of course.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 16, 2023 20:06:47 GMT
Wasn’t it gorgeous how Vito reassured Ellie after that lift went a bit wrong.
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Post by Matt on Dec 16, 2023 20:07:46 GMT
Wasn’t it gorgeous how Vito reassured Ellie after that lift went a bit wrong. I really want to see how it was meant to be. People who vote for her every week will surely vote again, but maybe annabels voters will be put off by the mistake?
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Post by Matt on Dec 16, 2023 20:19:44 GMT
“Remember tonight’s judges scores are just a guide as it’s the final”. When have they ever been anything but a guide? Every week is a pure public vote. Someone’s just explained the voting to me which I literally had no idea
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 16, 2023 20:44:00 GMT
Amazing news about Olly Alexander
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Post by peggysue on Dec 16, 2023 21:48:02 GMT
I really enjoyed tonight’s final and I’m very pleased that Ellie and Vito won. Their show dance was the most difficult and they performed it brilliantly. Who cares if there was a small slip at the end - they carried on and mistakes make us human. Things don’t have to be so called perfect to be enjoyed. Layton and Nikita also performed great throughout the whole series and they should be proud of how well they have done. Their dances were so entertaining. Bobby has shown great progression since the start of the series. Overall a strong final, nice to see the others back for the group dance 😊
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Post by justfran on Dec 16, 2023 22:09:28 GMT
That was a great final in my opinion - Saturday night entertainment at its best. I’m pleased with the result but overall I suppose it doesn’t matter, as there’s not a real prize (can someone make a better trophy please!). A shame that the end of Ellie and Vito’s showdance had a wobble but otherwise - wow, what a dance! Vito has shown himself to be a great partner and such a warm, funny person. I’m glad the American Smooth was their last dance together, a well deserved 40.
I’ve really warmed to Layton over the series and hope he gets any opportunities he wants from this. Clearly a hard worker and very talented.
I’ve really enjoyed Anton as a judge - how smart wearing a shirt and tie in the video to see Ellie and Vito.
I’m really looking forward to seeing the professionals tour next year now.
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Post by anthony40 on Dec 16, 2023 22:38:40 GMT
I actually thought that Craig said some lovely things overall tonight, not only about the contestants, but about the show itself.
Oh, and isn't Kate Bush's 'This Woman's Work' one of the most beautiful songs?
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Post by theatreian on Dec 16, 2023 22:56:34 GMT
A stunning final with lots of emotion. Began to think Bobby may have swung it , but as predicted Ellie won . I was glad for her as she has really grown through the series. I am no dance expert but her improvement and her demeanour and shock when she won are very endearing.
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Post by danb on Dec 17, 2023 18:07:21 GMT
Headline in the Fail on Sunday stating that people are outraged that the most talented contestant did not win. Have they never seen a tv talent show before?
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