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Post by Jon on Feb 21, 2024 20:28:30 GMT
Dear England is going to turn into a TV series by the BBC. James Graham and Rupert Goold are back to write and direct with Joseph Fiennes as Gareth Southgate.
I assume they're going to add more material but also have to reimagine it.
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Post by theatrelover97 on Feb 21, 2024 20:30:13 GMT
The BBC have announced they adapting it into a four part drama with Joseph Fiennes reprising his role and Rupert Gould directing it again
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Post by theatrelover97 on Feb 21, 2024 20:31:33 GMT
Dear England is going to turn into a TV series by the BBC. James Graham and Rupert Goold are back to write and direct with Joseph Fiennes as Gareth Southgate. I assume they're going to add more material but also have to reimagine it. They really should save the at least the filming of the ending until after July. His entire legacy could change one way or another at the Euros. It clearly won't air until after. The 2022 world cup is not a dramatic enough ending point if viewers know what happened next
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Post by aspieandy on Feb 21, 2024 21:31:18 GMT
Presumably 4 x 60-minutes. James Graham clearly confident he has the material for that already, or will have the material after June ..
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Post by n1david on Feb 21, 2024 23:14:35 GMT
One of the joys of this was its theatricality, and the creativity of the staging. They're going to have to work some to make it a non-conventional drama.
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Post by Jon on Feb 21, 2024 23:17:30 GMT
One of the joys of this was its theatricality, and the creativity of the staging. They're going to have to work some to make it a non-conventional drama. TBF Quiz worked as a TV series so I trust James Graham can rework his play into a series.
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Post by n1david on Feb 21, 2024 23:40:59 GMT
One of the joys of this was its theatricality, and the creativity of the staging. They're going to have to work some to make it a non-conventional drama. TBF Quiz worked as a TV series so I trust James Graham can rework his play into a series. True, but given that the original theatre production of Quiz was, essentially, a TV show on stage, the conversion back to TV was rather more straightforward than a football match...
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Post by amyja89 on Feb 22, 2024 8:56:59 GMT
'Fake' football historically has looked awful on screen, even in the biggest budget movies. They have the advantage of only having to really focus on the penalties, but to me the success of the play was not really having that pressure to make things look realistic. Will be interested to see if/how some of the performances are toned down too, I just can't imagine Jordan Pickford and even Harry Kane being played in as broad a way as they are on stage at points.
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Post by max on Mar 3, 2024 17:43:42 GMT
I was hugely looking forward to this NT screening, but came close to leaving at the interval. Very one dimensional, and having seen 'Quiz' I think I've seen James Graham's box of tricks already. Perhaps I'd feel it the other way round if I'd seen 'Dear England' before 'Quiz' - but mini-histories within the show, with a cartoonish fashion parade to tell it, was better done in 'Quiz'. In 'Dear England' every music choice was painfully obvious, and chucking in a cartoon of a cartoon - Boris Johnson - seemed to have no point to it other than an easy laugh. It smacked of desperation - but I must be the one desperately out of the current taste as it's a cast iron acclaimed hit play.
What really got me - and made me wish I'd bailed on Act 2 - was the need to find a concluding shape to the story arc, in place of the England team actually winning anything. That's fine - concoct what you like, as long as it's not offensively opportunist, flying in the face of the evidence in the rest of the play. The conclusion of the arc is the idea that a lack of rioting after Harry Kane's missed penalty meant that the English nation itself had grown up during the course of the England football team's psychological reset on what winning/losing means. Perhaps even, that by conductivity the team's learning had spread to wider society. Really? It feels an insult to the players/actors who detail the experience of being one of the 3 black penalty takers (all missing at the Euros) that sparked violent reaction. Had England really grown up? - or was Harry Kane's miss (in a World Cup!) less incendiary because he's white. The play could have it's cake and eat it. Put forward its theory, and then have another player saying...."really?" After all, James Graham is no stranger to offering alternative conclusions to an audience: see 'Quiz'.
Apart from all this I found it boring - and I like football, and the themes the play covers.
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Post by tmesis on Mar 11, 2024 8:58:34 GMT
James was really interesting on Desert Island Discs (r4) yesterday. Recommended.
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Post by Jan on Mar 11, 2024 9:44:16 GMT
Apart from all this I found it boring - and I like football Maybe that's the problem. Genuine England football fans who are fans of Gareth Southgate are very thin on the ground these days.
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Post by n1david on Apr 24, 2024 19:46:22 GMT
Dear England is going to turn into a TV series by the BBC. James Graham and Rupert Goold are back to write and direct with Joseph Fiennes as Gareth Southgate. I assume they're going to add more material but also have to reimagine it. They really should save the at least the filming of the ending until after July. His entire legacy could change one way or another at the Euros. It clearly won't air until after. The 2022 world cup is not a dramatic enough ending point if viewers know what happened next According to an interview in the Times with Graham, the adaptation is not being written until after the Euros. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/james-graham-british-theatre-is-in-a-dark-place-mfbck073x
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Post by Dave B on Jun 4, 2024 7:03:35 GMT
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Post by ironsilvermonkey on Jun 4, 2024 8:55:27 GMT
Interesting article! Curious what this means to the recording that aired Live in Cinemas though. Maybe Dear England won't hit NT At Home for quite a while since the final act seems to be getting rewritten now regardless of what happens in the Euros? Or maybe they'll do a Frankenstein and have two different recordings available on the streaming platform?
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Post by bigredapple on Jun 4, 2024 9:19:00 GMT
This feels like the new 2:22
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Post by Dave B on Jun 4, 2024 9:37:57 GMT
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Post by aspieandy on Jun 4, 2024 11:11:10 GMT
World Cup in 2026 .. surely time for a revival ..
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Post by alece10 on Jun 4, 2024 14:33:31 GMT
As someone who has zero interest in football would I like this play?
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Post by kit66 on Jun 4, 2024 15:16:03 GMT
As someone who has zero interest in football would I like this play? Yes! Never played football at school Have never kicked a ball Never watched a football match on TV Never been to a football match Didnt know any of the players depicted in the play Thought it was terrific! Brilliantly directed and acted ,funny and moving What more do you want in a drama?
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Post by claireyfairy1 on Jun 4, 2024 16:35:07 GMT
As someone who has zero interest in football would I like this play? I not only don't have an interest in it, I actively dislike it, but I enjoyed the play. I have actually liked a few plays about football over the years because they explore much more than the game/industry itself. They're often about masculinity, mental health, identity, etc. Dear England was a really good one.
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Post by david on Jun 4, 2024 16:39:35 GMT
As someone who has zero interest in football would I like this play? Myself, my mum and sister (all non football fans) watched this at the PE last year and all of us absolutely loved it. I will be rebooking for the Lowry run next year.
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Post by alece10 on Jun 5, 2024 14:21:30 GMT
Thanks everyone, looks like I need to book it.
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Post by Rory on Jun 5, 2024 15:05:39 GMT
Thanks everyone, looks like I need to book it. Yes it's superb and you definitely don't need to be a football fan or know anything about it.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Jun 5, 2024 15:41:35 GMT
OK. So looks like I will be booking for this despite knowing not much about football and not really into sport 😛
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Post by theatremiss on Jun 5, 2024 18:44:54 GMT
Well thank goodness my credit card is clear. I love, love, love this show. I wonder if Fiennes will be Gareth again and if other cast members will return? One thing I was thinking, it could all go horribly wrong if England are kicked out of the Euros early. There won’t be much in the next chapter except perhaps Gareth and his cardigan
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