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Post by BVM on Jun 15, 2023 9:17:05 GMT
Everytime I see or hear this title, I instantly think of The League of Gentlemens 'Legz Akimbo Theatre Company' Now that i'd go and see. I love this! The name is problematic as it tells you nothing about it. I think Shucked might have a similar problem!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 10:45:54 GMT
I do find the Tony's farcical to be honest. Best Musical? Well fair enough, maybe it is, I've not seen it. Best book? Again, who knows, not seen it. Best score though? Do me a favour. I mean yes, music is SO subjective how does one judge. Personally, I couldn't make it through the cast recording. Shucked - great score. NYNY - good score. Some Like It Hot - fun big (slightly samey) score. Bad Cinderella - #SorryNotSorry - WAY better score - choon after choon. Tony's just decide which show they're gonna give everything to and go for it. It's a joke and not objective. Anyway, just my opinion of course. Show itself feels very Broadway. Can't see it doing well here other than in a Donmar Warehouse or similar type venue. That said it clearly speaks to some people so I wish it well....
OK, I'll do you a favour.
Tesori composes music that complement the books and amplify the book. That's why her the music for the shows she's been a part of is so varied. They often do not win you over when separated from the book and the production, something true of Sondheim and others.
Awards are very subjective as you note. But this is just false: "Tony's just decide which show they're gonna give everything to and go for it. It's a joke and not objective." The Tony Awards are voted on by 800+ individuals from varied background throughout the country. The idea that such a diverse group would adopt a monolithic mindset focused on which show they will give multiple awards to is amusing.
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Post by BVM on Jun 15, 2023 11:01:54 GMT
I do find the Tony's farcical to be honest. Best Musical? Well fair enough, maybe it is, I've not seen it. Best book? Again, who knows, not seen it. Best score though? Do me a favour. I mean yes, music is SO subjective how does one judge. Personally, I couldn't make it through the cast recording. Shucked - great score. NYNY - good score. Some Like It Hot - fun big (slightly samey) score. Bad Cinderella - #SorryNotSorry - WAY better score - choon after choon. Tony's just decide which show they're gonna give everything to and go for it. It's a joke and not objective. Anyway, just my opinion of course. Show itself feels very Broadway. Can't see it doing well here other than in a Donmar Warehouse or similar type venue. That said it clearly speaks to some people so I wish it well....
OK, I'll do you a favour.
Tesori composes music that complement the books and amplify the book. That's why her the music for the shows she's been a part of is so varied. They often do not win you over when separated from the book and the production, something true of Sondheim and others.
Awards are very subjective as you note. But this is just false: "Tony's just decide which show they're gonna give everything to and go for it. It's a joke and not objective." The Tony Awards are voted on by 800+ individuals from varied background throughout the country. The idea that such a diverse group would adopt a monolithic mindset focused on which show they will give multiple awards to is amusing.
I mean fair enough for best musical. But shouldn't best score stand up independently? I mean like I said music is perhaps THE most subjective aspect of musical theatre and so granted it's difficult. And I guess you can get into a debate about what "best score" should stand for. IMHO it should be for the best music that you can stick the CD on and love before seeing the show. Might be 800+ individuals but they clearly have much in common. And there is a pattern in what Tony awards "reward."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 15:43:23 GMT
Time again the idea this idea of a pattern is disproved regularly.
Are there briefly some common tendencies during specific periods? Sure. But if you look at the list of winners in best score, best book, or best musical, you'll find tremendous variety.
If there is a commonality, it is that the best musical often takes one or more of the other categories.
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Post by Oleanna on Jun 15, 2023 15:48:39 GMT
OK, I'll do you a favour.
Tesori composes music that complement the books and amplify the book. That's why her the music for the shows she's been a part of is so varied. They often do not win you over when separated from the book and the production, something true of Sondheim and others.
Awards are very subjective as you note. But this is just false: "Tony's just decide which show they're gonna give everything to and go for it. It's a joke and not objective." The Tony Awards are voted on by 800+ individuals from varied background throughout the country. The idea that such a diverse group would adopt a monolithic mindset focused on which show they will give multiple awards to is amusing.
I mean fair enough for best musical. But shouldn't best score stand up independently? I mean like I said music is perhaps THE most subjective aspect of musical theatre and so granted it's difficult. And I guess you can get into a debate about what "best score" should stand for. IMHO it should be for the best music that you can stick the CD on and love before seeing the show. Might be 800+ individuals but they clearly have much in common. And there is a pattern in what Tony awards "reward." But what you’ve just described is…not a musical theatre score!
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Post by BVM on Jun 15, 2023 16:26:09 GMT
I mean fair enough for best musical. But shouldn't best score stand up independently? I mean like I said music is perhaps THE most subjective aspect of musical theatre and so granted it's difficult. And I guess you can get into a debate about what "best score" should stand for. IMHO it should be for the best music that you can stick the CD on and love before seeing the show. Might be 800+ individuals but they clearly have much in common. And there is a pattern in what Tony awards "reward." But what you’ve just described is…not a musical theatre score! Course it is - it's a totally different experience to listening to a pop album. Think back before the internet. You'd hear of shows, you might see a review in the paper, you'd see ads, flyers, posters but often you'd have no detailed idea of what it's all about. You'd buy the CD/cassette/whatever. You'd hear themes, you'd have a vague semblance of plot, you'd know it's theatrical, is about something. Sometimes there would be a detailed plot description and full lyrics of which character is singing what, often there wouldn't be. Anyway, after 1 or more listens - you'd think somewhere on the spectrum of "not remotely grabbed/no desire to see it" to "this sounds amazing, I must go." IMHO only and I respect that you disagree, the best scores can instil a pre-seen fondness of a show and indeed a wish to see it before you have the full picture. I am a very melody driven person though. One thing I really disagree with ALW on is he says a mediocre score can save a great story but a bad story can never be saved by an amazing score. For me if the melody gets me and hits me between the ears, I can forgive any levels of insane bonkers-ness of plot. (Obvs the ideal scenario is to have both) Anyway, it's in interesting philosophical point. But even knowing zero about a show, stick on the CD and just knowing it's a musical gives you a totally different experience to listening to a pop album.
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Post by Paul on Jun 15, 2023 16:28:28 GMT
I do find the Tony's farcical to be honest. Best Musical? Well fair enough, maybe it is, I've not seen it. Best book? Again, who knows, not seen it. Best score though? Do me a favour. I mean yes, music is SO subjective how does one judge. Personally, I couldn't make it through the cast recording. Shucked - great score. NYNY - good score. Some Like It Hot - fun big (slightly samey) score. Bad Cinderella - #SorryNotSorry - WAY better score - choon after choon. Tony's just decide which show they're gonna give everything to and go for it. It's a joke and not objective. Anyway, just my opinion of course. Show itself feels very Broadway. Can't see it doing well here other than in a Donmar Warehouse or similar type venue. That said it clearly speaks to some people so I wish it well.... You've said yourself, you haven't seen the show so how can you possibly say the score isn't good without listening to it in context? Each song in the show lets you know more about the characters and moves the story along. The story of the show is good but the score helps make it great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2023 23:52:40 GMT
IMHO only and I respect that you disagree, the best scores can instil a pre-seen fondness of a show and indeed a wish to see it before you have the full picture. You're exactly right. They can. But whether or not they do is not a requirement for the Tony Award for Best Score of a Musical.
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Post by MoreLife on Jun 16, 2023 14:49:10 GMT
OK, I'll do you a favour.
Tesori composes music that complement the books and amplify the book. That's why her the music for the shows she's been a part of is so varied. They often do not win you over when separated from the book and the production, something true of Sondheim and others.
Awards are very subjective as you note. But this is just false: "Tony's just decide which show they're gonna give everything to and go for it. It's a joke and not objective." The Tony Awards are voted on by 800+ individuals from varied background throughout the country. The idea that such a diverse group would adopt a monolithic mindset focused on which show they will give multiple awards to is amusing.
I mean fair enough for best musical. But shouldn't best score stand up independently? I mean like I said music is perhaps THE most subjective aspect of musical theatre and so granted it's difficult. And I guess you can get into a debate about what "best score" should stand for. IMHO it should be for the best music that you can stick the CD on and love before seeing the show. Might be 800+ individuals but they clearly have much in common. And there is a pattern in what Tony awards "reward." I think the point is the Tony award for Best Original Score is there to recognize excellence in composing new material for theater, not composing in general. When it comes to the score for a piece of theater, it's best when it complements and works in synergy with the book. Sure, a score may include many ear-pleasing melodies, but if it doesn't work dramatically, if it fails to underscore the characters' qualities, if it doesn't ever move the plot further... then it's not a great score for theatre, no matter how nice it may be to listen to it as a standalone body of music. I saw 'Kimberly Akimbo' on Broadway for the first time before the recording was even released, and as I sat there I couldn't stop smiling because of how well balanced it is, and because of how well the songs and the libretto work together at telling the story of these characters. Even the most whimsical moments - say, when Kimberly's school mates start to sing backing vocals in Aunt Debra's numbers - make sense because, well, they're actually the school show choir and they respond as a group of teen-age friends to what Debra's proposing that they do, etc. Think of 'Anagram', which they performed at the Tony ceremony... you have Kimberly's part that starts in a rather conversational place, but grows to a melodic climax ("I wonder what you see when you look at me") when she begins to realize that she kinda really likes Seth. At the same time Seth is lost in his own little world, scrambling letters in his head, and doesn't really notice any of that. And yet you have no doubt that they're really connecting while Seth's (spoken) thoughts so perfectly counterpoint Kim's (sung) ones. Think of 'Better', which is over the top and loud and a bit wacky... because Aunt Debra's personality is precisely that, and when selling her "philosophy" to Kim and the other kids she really is convinced that she's in the right and that she's doing something good for Kim. And, because she's at a bit of a desperate point in her life, she needs to do something major about it! And precisely because it's such a catchy and big sing you as the audience buy that all the kids are like "ok, she's a bit cuckoo but I like her, after all", because that's the effect she's had on you by the time the song finishes. Think of 'Hello, darling': no, it's not a "pretty" piece of music, there's plenty of unusual intervals and changes of tempo, a clashing chord here and there, and I don't think it's a song one would want to listen to on repeat in isolation. Plus Alli Mauzey intentionally sings it with a slightly annoying vocal quality. But hey, Pattie (Kim's mum) which is being introduced with that song has plenty of flaws, and her thoughts are all over the place, so of course her "melodic" line is far from linear and the dynamics of the number are jumpy to say the least... I could go on, but I'll stop here To me, this is what composing for theater is about!
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Post by theatrelover123 on Sept 27, 2023 17:26:34 GMT
Kimberly Akimbo announcement at 1.30pm tomorrow maybe?
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Post by punxsutawney on Sept 27, 2023 18:06:52 GMT
Kimberly Akimbo announcement at 1.30pm tomorrow maybe? That's for something to do with a 13 Going on 30 musical. Presumably a concert performance or similar, seeing as that's the going trend.
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Post by AddisonMizner on Sept 27, 2023 18:52:54 GMT
Kimberly Akimbo announcement at 1.30pm tomorrow maybe? Where is this coming from? Would love to see KIMBERLY AKIMBO over here.
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Post by Being Alive on Sept 27, 2023 19:17:32 GMT
It's not - someone's made a guess based on a teaser and got it wrong.
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