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Post by Flim Flam on Apr 12, 2017 11:36:55 GMT
Ha ha. Yes, makes the blood boil. Don't see what the point of the article is exactly.
Its not as if you are telling people how to do something constructive if the only way to achieve that is with a lucky combination of relatives you can stay with/ cheap property prices/ good rental returns/ parents offering you jobs etc. Only applies to a tiny subset of the population...and unfortunately to a subset with no self-awareness.
Mind you, it somehow reminds me of the type of entitlement expressed by people on those property shows, who turn up at a house and say (about a perfectly clean and reasonable kitchen)- 'Oh, I couldn't live with that kitchen. I am not interested in the property.'
It's a kitchen for goodness sake. Live with it until you can afford to update it. What is the matter with people!
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 12, 2017 11:54:45 GMT
New question: do fringe venues use "deps" in their orchestra for musicals, in the same way as West End ones do? They do indeed! I know it's happened at the Union, Southwark Playhouse and St James (when it was...) before.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 12, 2017 13:03:13 GMT
Could someone explain what a casting director actually does? I can understand if they need to find all the extras for Ben Hur, but in the programme for Love in Idleness the casting director gets a longer schpeel than some of the actors. There are only SIX of them. Surely the director chooses his cast? (Especially if he's Trevor Nunn!) The director makes the final choice and sometimes the director has specific actors in mind. Generally: The casting director meets with the director. The director says if they have any particular actors in mind. It's very rare that a director would have already cast and even then only 1-2 lead roles. If they don't have actors in mind the CD has to have a long talk with them to try to intuit (or bloody mind-read) what they have in mind. The CD phones those actors' agents to see if they are available, and then either makes an offer or organises a meeting. The CD also carries out contract negotiations with the agent, liaises over rehearsal schedules, etc. For any roles where the director does not have an actor in mind, or where their choice is not available, the CD draws up a longlist of potential actors. For a major role they may do this entirely from their own 'mental rolodex' of actors, but usually they write and post casting breakdowns on Spotlight. There is also industry pressure eg from Equity to go via Spotlight rather than via direct invite which is less practical and more time-consuming but also necessary to stop theatre being a closed shop. Posting a breakdown on Spotlight gets you hundreds or thousands of submissions. The CD has to narrow down perhaps 1500 CVs to 20-30, paying attention to any necessary special skills like accents or musical skills. This is not just a case of looking to see who has "singing" listed on their CV but to look at their credits for proof, because unfortunately a LOT of actors exaggerate. This process involves looking at past credits, making sure playing age is correct and headshot up to date, maybe phoning other directors they've worked for to check out unknowns. The CD must also be aware of the director's preferences as some directors have biases towards or against certain drama schools or histories. Plus aware of putting together a diverse shortlist in more ways than one. If it's a small fringe production from an unknown director, a good CD can get you access to a higher tier of actors through their own contacts and reputation. When the CD has whittled down a shortlist they book rehearsal space to hold auditions, start phoning agents to schedule auditions (which involves a lot of juggling), choose audition pieces and send them out. They run the actual auditions which the director may or may not attend, and during which the CD might have to read-in the other parts while analysing how the actor interprets the role, how well they take direction, and what they'll be like to work with. CD shortlists a small number of actors for a call-back which the director attends. The director chooses from those final few. CD starts negotiations with agents and prays the actor doesn't announce they can't make the dates. In the evenings CDs attend showcases, drama school showings and theatre performances and film screenings, to keep up to date on what actors are entering the industry and try to discover and monitor new talent. They also have to open and deal with a mountain of mail receiving easily 100+ CVs and invitations per week, reading them all and keeping track of new promising actors and who's doing what. Outside the big companies most CDs are freelance and are hired per production. If they invite an actor to audition who is rude, aggressive, a no-show, older than their headshot, auditions but then says they're not available, or can't do something listed on their CV (all of which happens all the time) that reflects badly on the CD and potentially harms their career. They also cast understudies and LiI is currently advertising for u/s on Spotlight and no doubt being deluged with CVs!
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Post by Tibidabo on Apr 12, 2017 13:29:45 GMT
samuelwhiskers Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write such an informative answer - I for one had no idea it was so involved and found your account fascinating reading. I would imagine that a casting director is VERY popular at parties! What is LiI? Edit: You don't have to answer this obviously, but I presume you are a CD or close to someone who is?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 13:32:42 GMT
samuelwhiskers Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write such an informative answer - I for one had no idea it was so involved and found your account fascinating reading. I would imagine that a casting director is VERY popular at parties! What is LiI? Love in Idleness.
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Post by Tibidabo on Apr 12, 2017 13:39:46 GMT
^Oh LOL! Brain-seize or what? I was imagining a massive production like 42nd Street! Thanks @mrmusicals
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Post by CG on the loose on Apr 12, 2017 15:19:29 GMT
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 12, 2017 20:08:15 GMT
Mind you, it somehow reminds me of the type of entitlement expressed by people on those property shows, who turn up at a house and say (about a perfectly clean and reasonable kitchen)- 'Oh, I couldn't live with that kitchen. I am not interested in the property.' It's a kitchen for goodness sake. Live with it until you can afford to update it. What is the matter with people! It amazes me the number of people who buy a house & completely re-do it, including kitchen & bathroom, before moving in, especially as most people do up their houses to a certain extent before putting them up for sale anyone so the house is probably being redecorated twice in a matter of months. How can people afford to buy a house & then immediately spend tens of thousands on changing it? We moved into this house in 1994 & still have the same kitchen & bathroom it came with. They may not be the latest decor trends but they're still useable 23 years later!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 21:05:17 GMT
It amazes me the number of people who buy a house & completely re-do it, including kitchen & bathroom, before moving in, I imagine it's some sort of marking their territory thing. Micturating up the walls is cheaper and makes for a memorable house-warming party, but may occasionally be considered something of a social faux pas.
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Post by sherriebythesea on Apr 14, 2017 17:59:41 GMT
Does it save time to pre-pay for drinks at plays? Or will the line for pre-paid be longer than the regular lines at interval?
Thanks!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 14, 2017 18:16:06 GMT
^^^ if I'm having one at the interval I want it freshly made, not some nasty old thing that got slopped out by a barman with one finger up his nose 45 minutes ago!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 18:33:35 GMT
^^^ if I'm having one at the interval I want it freshly made, not some nasty old thing that got slopped out by a barman with one finger up his nose 45 minutes ago! Or that they skimmed the top off to make a gin-and-cider-larger cocktail to down before doing interval service. In answer to the question, most theatres set them out in an 'area' so it's more of a mill around/scrum depending on the show than a queue. The issue is a) finding the drink b) the tiny probablity someone will swipe it. The latter has never happened to anyone I know but I'm paranoid enough not to chance it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 14, 2017 18:44:58 GMT
The ice has always melted and the beer is always flat.
As for the raffle tickets....
Just. No.
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Post by bellboard27 on Apr 14, 2017 19:01:44 GMT
On my interval drinks, I quite liked the tables at The Harold Pinter (when Sunny Afternoon and Nice Fish were there) as FOH waited on you fetching drinks from the bar avoiding all the scrum,
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Post by sherriebythesea on Apr 14, 2017 19:05:56 GMT
I'm a wine drinker so no worries on ice and such but still sounds like it's not such a good idea. Thanks everyone
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 14, 2017 19:07:25 GMT
Has anyone actually stayed in a theatre bar until they were chucked out because it was closing? I realise that this would require significant funds, but how desperate are they to flog overpriced drinks to the point where they keep the barstaff on? A friend and I were asked to leave The Lowry bar a few months ago, I think it was about 10.45 but I can't quite remember the details...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 14, 2017 19:08:44 GMT
I'm a wine drinker so no worries on ice and such but still sounds like it's not such a good idea. Thanks everyone What do they do in US theatres sherriebythesea is there a "system"?
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Post by sherriebythesea on Apr 14, 2017 19:11:36 GMT
I don't have any experience at larger theatres to say. The regional productions I've been to just had the rush at interval to bar.
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Post by bellboard27 on Apr 14, 2017 19:49:53 GMT
Has anyone actually stayed in a theatre bar until they were chucked out because it was closing? I realise that this would require significant funds, but how desperate are they to flog overpriced drinks to the point where they keep the barstaff on? A friend and I were asked to leave The Lowry bar a few months ago, I think it was about 10.45 but I can't quite remember the details... How many theatres keep bars open after the performance? Few I can think of - places like National, Royal Court, Soho and, of course, pub theatres.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 14, 2017 20:29:45 GMT
Maybe because the Lowry has a restaurant attached.
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Post by d'James on Apr 14, 2017 21:29:11 GMT
I've never had a problem with ordering interval drinks (not that I often do it). If you're with someone order a bottle of wine before the show and ask them to keep the second half of the bottle for the interval. I've never had anything less than a perfectly chilled drink.
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Post by mistressjojo on Apr 14, 2017 23:18:37 GMT
Has anyone actually stayed in a theatre bar until they were chucked out because it was closing? I realise that this would require significant funds, but how desperate are they to flog overpriced drinks to the point where they keep the barstaff on? A friend and I were asked to leave The Lowry bar a few months ago, I think it was about 10.45 but I can't quite remember the details... Yes, but at the RSC in Stratford not the West End. A few times they did all but turn off the lights on us in the Swan Bar.
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Post by firefingers on Apr 14, 2017 23:32:00 GMT
Has anyone actually stayed in a theatre bar until they were chucked out because it was closing? I realise that this would require significant funds, but how desperate are they to flog overpriced drinks to the point where they keep the barstaff on? A friend and I were asked to leave The Lowry bar a few months ago, I think it was about 10.45 but I can't quite remember the details... Yes, but at the RSC in Stratford not the West End. A few times they did all but turn off the lights on us in the Swan Bar. Done it at theatres I work at, but the cheeper ones where they give you a discount if you are on a show at the time.
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Post by daniel on Apr 15, 2017 2:55:02 GMT
My favourite trick for interval drinks at ATG venues is to use their happy hour...runs from 90 until 60 mins before the show and drinks are half price - I pop in around 6 for a half price drink and interval order, and then bail into the Wetherspoons* next door once the offer stops to carry on *other varieties of pub are available
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Post by sherriebythesea on Apr 15, 2017 3:34:00 GMT
My favourite trick for interval drinks at ATG venues is to use their happy hour...runs from 90 until 60 mins before the show and drinks are half price - I pop in around 6 for a half price drink and interval order, and then bail into the Wetherspoons* next door once the offer stops to carry on *other varieties of pub are available Now I know to show up for Hamlet at 6 pm.
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