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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 15:01:36 GMT
I never thought it was a trust thing; I assume they get told at the last minute because right up until the moment the plug is pulled they're hoping the show can continue. Once the plug is pulled, all bets are off. Maybe they could delay telling the public for a day or so, but I don't think it's because they're purposefully trying to keep those on the ground in the dark.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 15:21:12 GMT
Indeed, as @baemax says, not likely to be trust related. There will non-disclosure agreements involved in contracts meaning elements such as the shows administration can not be publicly discussed etc.
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Post by Jon on Nov 2, 2018 15:25:54 GMT
I never thought it was a trust thing; I assume they get told at the last minute because right up until the moment the plug is pulled they're hoping the show can continue. Once the plug is pulled, all bets are off. Maybe they could delay telling the public for a day or so, but I don't think it's because they're purposefully trying to keep those on the ground in the dark. The cast of Oliver! found out it was closing because they saw the ads on the tube. I imagine most of the time, the cast and crew are told first before they issue a press release
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Nov 2, 2018 16:12:52 GMT
My personal experience is that it's not intentional, just that there's such a gulf between the powers that be (producers, execs, etc.) and the 'talent'. It's not uncommon for the cast of a show to never speak to or have any direct contact with them, apart from maybe a quick hello on press night. All contact goes via the director and agent. And because there's no direct relationship, tptb sort of forget the cast and crew exist, and it never occurs to them to contact cast and crew directly when there is news. I suppose the assumption is that the director will pass on any news but once press night has come and gone the director is often off to another project. The process of making theatre at that level is far more atomised than I ever realised before. It's poor form for cast to find out that way and I hope it's not common.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 18:04:53 GMT
One that I've thought about and have just wondered is where do they get the hair from to make the wigs as most of the time it is real hair but is it donated from people or from hairdressers or from somewhere else ? Assuming similar to real hair extensions you can pay for: women in other countries (mostly) selling their hair. Obviously there are a lot of ethical issues around suppliers etc etc Related: do we know if a lot of wigs are real or synthetic? There’s a lot of progress in synthetic now so I imagine many use that now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 18:38:49 GMT
Phantom's wigs are all real hair I believe.
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Post by Raven on Nov 2, 2018 19:08:20 GMT
I think most wigs in theatre are made with real hair. Human hair stays in good condition and has a long "life" than synthetic hair, which is obviously important when the cast wear wigs almost every day. Plus, human hair is more versatile for styling as you can't curl or style synthetic wigs unless a theatre can afford to fork out for speciality heat-proof synthetic hair wigs.
Generally speaking, human hair wigs can last for up to a year (so essentially a full contract) whereas synthetic wigs only last between 4-6 months before needing replaced.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 19:49:56 GMT
Since we're on the subject of wigs..... (apologies to @ryan etc for this!).... but what is with this one?.... It was one of only things that looked out of place (to me) and has bugged me since.
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Post by mistressjojo on Nov 3, 2018 6:09:17 GMT
One that I've thought about and have just wondered is where do they get the hair from to make the wigs as most of the time it is real hair but is it donated from people or from hairdressers or from somewhere else ? Assuming similar to real hair extensions you can pay for: women in other countries (mostly) selling their hair. Obviously there are a lot of ethical issues around suppliers etc etc Related: do we know if a lot of wigs are real or synthetic? There’s a lot of progress in synthetic now so I imagine many use that now? Not exactly wigs, but some false facial hair is made of yak hair.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 16:16:47 GMT
Why do the Apollo Victoria and Lyceum theatres have their own websites but all the other ATG theatres don’t?
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Post by Mark on Nov 11, 2018 16:29:23 GMT
Why do the Apollo Victoria and Lyceum theatres have their own websites but all the other ATG theatres don’t? This may be compeltely wrong or have some element of truth but I believe they may be leftover from the days those theatres were owned by livenation and then when ATG purchased them, they kept the websites.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 11, 2018 17:16:20 GMT
Since we're on the subject of wigs..... (apologies to @ryan etc for this!).... but what is with this one?.... It was one of only things that looked out of place (to me) and has bugged me since. I really liked her asymmetric look! However I’m probably biased as I was voted “best hair in’t school” by my peers when I was rocking my Phil Oakey lopsided wedge back in 19 blurby-blurb. My mum said “you look like Veronica Lake” 😐
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Nov 12, 2018 5:03:24 GMT
In The Play That Goes Wrong how to the various decorations stick to/fall off the wall at the right time?
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Post by dippy on Nov 22, 2018 22:45:40 GMT
Re-lighting for filming question here inspired by reading about the 42nd Street rehearsal! So when a show is filmed they re-light it so you don't end up with lighting problems. Often it's very noticeable if you watch the performances they film that the spotlights are much dimmer to stop things being over/under exposed.
I'm wondering if say I was to go to 42nd Street tomorrow/Saturday (if they aren't camera rehearsing) would the show still look like it must have tonight (and will do when it's filmed) or is it as simple as that the changes are all programed in and it's just a click of a button to change it from a normal show.
Also do lighting cues change between normal shows and the filmed ones?
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Post by firefingers on Nov 22, 2018 23:17:36 GMT
Re-lighting for filming question here inspired by reading about the 42nd Street rehearsal! So when a show is filmed they re-light it so you don't end up with lighting problems. Often it's very noticeable if you watch the performances they film that the spotlights are much dimmer to stop things being over/under exposed. I'm wondering if say I was to go to 42nd Street tomorrow/Saturday (if they aren't camera rehearsing) would the show still look like it must have tonight (and will do when it's filmed) or is it as simple as that the changes are all programed in and it's just a click of a button to change it from a normal show. Also do lighting cues change between normal shows and the filmed ones? I can answer this one, a few of my productions have been filmed. The changes are all programmed in and the original show file stored, so they'd use the one as intended whenever possible (that is the true version after all). So the lighting desk has different versions of the show stored and they can easily switch between the two. How do you mean lighting cues? The timing or what the lights do? The number of cues and when they happen wouldn't change (at least not in my experience), but the colour, brightness etc that those cues create may be altered.
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Post by dippy on Nov 22, 2018 23:29:40 GMT
I can answer this one, a few of my productions have been filmed. That's nice, hope they've all been good experiences. The changes are all programmed in and the original show file stored, so they'd use the one as intended whenever possible (that is the true version after all). So the lighting desk has different versions of the show stored and they can easily switch between the two. That was what I was guessing would be the case, it's definitely the logical and sensible answer. It would be silly to make people watch a show that wasn't optimally lit if they didn't have to. However I do think I am probably in the minority and actually prefer watching the re-lit shows to the actual ones, I find some spotlights are so bright and it's nice seeing things more muted. How do you mean lighting cues? The timing or what the lights do? The number of cues and when they happen wouldn't change (at least not in my experience), but the colour, brightness etc that those cues create may be altered. Yeah, I just wondered if there were less since the changes always seem smaller so I wasn't sure if maybe they kept a more general lighting state for a bit and maybe a cue that wouldn't be required on film might be skipped. However that completely appears not to be the case and as you can see I have no idea what I am talking about! It's nice to have a bit of an idea now, thank you.
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Post by jamb0r on Nov 23, 2018 8:56:02 GMT
I’m not sure if this has been asked before, but when watching The Inheritance from the front row I was wondering how they get a lot of the mobile phone cues to work. When a character on stage receives an alert on their phone it sounds like the alert is coming from the actual handset, and the screen even lights up with the correct user interface related to the alert. Is there a specific smartphone app that’s been developed for use on stage, where someone offstage can send alerts directly to the actors phone? The alerts come in so quickly I’m sure they can’t be being sent actual text messages, as even if there was a couple of seconds delay in them being received (which would be very likely in London theatres where phone signal is usually patchy) it would ruin the whole flow of the dialogue.
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Post by firefingers on Nov 23, 2018 15:30:52 GMT
Yeah, I just wondered if there were less since the changes always seem smaller so I wasn't sure if maybe they kept a more general lighting state for a bit and maybe a cue that wouldn't be required on film might be skipped. However that completely appears not to be the case and as you can see I have no idea what I am talking about! It's nice to have a bit of an idea now, thank you. It would be difficult to operate if you cut stuff after such a length of time. You'd end up trying to fire lighting cues that don't exist and so be very early etc. You really get used to the rhythm of operating a show. Glad I could help.
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Post by firefingers on Nov 23, 2018 15:44:24 GMT
I’m not sure if this has been asked before, but when watching The Inheritance from the front row I was wondering how they get a lot of the mobile phone cues to work. When a character on stage receives an alert on their phone it sounds like the alert is coming from the actual handset, and the screen even lights up with the correct user interface related to the alert. Is there a specific smartphone app that’s been developed for use on stage, where someone offstage can send alerts directly to the actors phone? The alerts come in so quickly I’m sure they can’t be being sent actual text messages, as even if there was a couple of seconds delay in them being received (which would be very likely in London theatres where phone signal is usually patchy) it would ruin the whole flow of the dialogue. Apologies for the double post but I can do this one too, though this is based off pub chat not first hand experience. A sound engineer at The National has developed the app, and only a select few have access (Apple said no, due to copyright or something). Can't for the life of me remember the name, theatrecaller or something like that. Anyway, you load the content onto the phone, this can be a ringtone and a video recording of an iPhone's call screen, could be a Facebook feed being scrolled throygg etc, then the phone is connected to a dedicated WiFi network. This content can then be triggered using Qlab (standard software for controlling sound and video on theatre shows) by sending a trigger message via WiFi using something called OSC that lets everything talk to each other. The apl has some neat features like you can tell the app that a bit of content is a phone call and so when the actor touches the phone screen it goes black and stops ringing so it looks like they've picked up. Operator has to watch carefully, as when the actor lifts the phone from their face they need to fire another cue so the screen lights up like the real deal. It isn't 100% reliable though. Every sound cue on the phone has a back up coming from the nearest speaker so if the WiFi does drop out or phone gets confused or dropped etc then the operator fires the back up if the phone didn't work. It also glitches and turns the brightness way down so you can't see what is on the screen. But having seen shows with it, when you go to a show without it it is very emersion breaking seeing blank screens or static fake plastic screens.
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Post by Jon on Nov 23, 2018 22:15:48 GMT
I do remember seeing notifications on the phones when I saw The Inheritance at the Young Vic.
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Post by hannechalk on Nov 24, 2018 0:25:27 GMT
Do touring actors get extra money to pay for hotels/digs or does it come out of their normal pay ? I just stumbled across this thread. For a few months I shared the home I rented a room in with people on touring productions performing at the Bristol Hippodrome, and it was really interesting! Having some actors amongst my friends, they do try to get digs as cheap as possible, in spring and summer resorting to camping rather than actual houses to stay in. They've also stayed cheaply in holiday parks out of season.
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Post by hannechalk on Nov 24, 2018 0:27:56 GMT
Cameron Macintosh stores sets from all his productions in his garden. No Joke. There was a doc on BBC about him not too long ago and he's built a warehouse in his grounds where he stores all the sets from past Cam Mac shows. Think I remember seeing the Elephant from the Phantom being 'stored' out in the rain. Correction. It was the elephant from the Les Mis film. Phantom's Elephant is safely indoors. I recently read the Les Mis-elephant was already in a skip, and he saw it and brought it back as an ornament for his garden. I thought that was brilliant!
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Post by hannechalk on Nov 24, 2018 0:38:15 GMT
usually to gesture to a technical box at the back that is a symbol for all the crew that work on the show too. Since they cant come down and take a bow as they are all operating things but are just as important to the show. Thank you ! I guess other theatres don't care about the technical team ;-) The Blood Brothers-tour always acknowledges the band and the crew, wherever they go. In Peterborough they also always acknowledged the staff at the theatre on the last night with a special announcement, when it was run by volunteers.
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Post by jamb0r on Nov 24, 2018 0:52:50 GMT
Thank you for answering my question firefingers! I thought it must have been something like that. I find that sort of stuff really interesting!
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