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Post by toomasj on Aug 17, 2023 15:42:06 GMT
Excellent post, thank you - and thank you for responding in good spirit.
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Post by apubleed on Aug 17, 2023 15:51:45 GMT
I saw the show with Glenn Close in the recent Broadway Revival and I think the material is so all over the place - I am genuinely excited about a heavy handed director such as Jamie Lloyd taking control and doing something different with it. I'm hoping he finds a way to emphasise the strengths of the material and minimise or quickly brush over the weaknesses. I was a fan of his Evita. Had this been just another standard Sunset production I wouldn't see the appeal of that because it's been done before.
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Post by christya on Aug 17, 2023 16:45:05 GMT
Just looked at tickets for this, since I'd like to see Rachel Tucker though I have no interest in Nicole. The location I'd normally sit is charging £247. Nope. I might have a look at some later dates and see if there's something relatively close that doesn't cost as much, but I don't sit behind people (almost always can't see and want to commit murder), which makes things a bit difficult!
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Post by toomasj on Aug 17, 2023 17:36:54 GMT
Just looked at tickets for this, since I'd like to see Rachel Tucker though I have no interest in Nicole. The location I'd normally sit is charging £247. Nope. I might have a look at some later dates and see if there's something relatively close that doesn't cost as much, but I don't sit behind people (almost always can't see and want to commit murder), which makes things a bit difficult! This isn’t selling out, or close, there will be plenty of TodayTix/TKTS deals if you’re willing to wait a few weeks after opening.
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Post by zak97 on Aug 17, 2023 20:22:49 GMT
A Rachel Sunset Boulevard throwback
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Post by danb on Aug 17, 2023 21:11:57 GMT
I haven’t booked yet, but I will be. The music + Nicole’s voice are enough for me. Throw in a decent sized orchestra and any flights of fancy or crazy staging will fade into the background. The score is my favourite ALW so the only thing that could spoil it are the actors playing the instruments themselves.
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Post by Rory on Aug 17, 2023 21:27:40 GMT
Haven't booked yet. Was waiting to hear if there's a proper orchestra (seems to be) and that it's not some sort of concert show. I saw Petula at the Adelphi in 1996 and would love to see another decent fully staged version again.
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Post by chernjam on Aug 17, 2023 21:56:35 GMT
I was a child of the mega musicals and I have found in the noughties, 10s and 20s nothing ever comes close. Sadly, they are never coming back (much as I'd love to see the Apollo Victoria ripped apart again for a gigantic metal bridge and tracks). I've found however that I often prefer total reinventions to "the same but smaller." Again just my preference. I hate cheapish wobbly Kenwright sets. If it's not gonna be mega, I'd prefer it clever, conceptual, completely different. Miss Saigon in Sheffield utterly achieved this and this gives me hope Sunset may do similar. ENO and Curve tour I enjoyed but I just sat there thinking - well, it's not the epic Napier set. Kenwright Evita tour I just missed the Grandage/Prince vision. OAT I did not - didn't even think about it. So am all for something totally different for the mega musicals in the 20s! - Personal taste (again lol) but I love the bold colour blocking and choices for the design/advertising that we've seen so far. I also love the camp of the Scherzinger faces in front of the broken glass. No idea what they are going for but I like it! Anyway - just my opinion. Sorry, bit boring as know I have said all these things many times on this forum. But that's why I am excited about this production :-) On paper it ticks all my boxes so far.... All with a pinch of salt. Thought I'd love Aspects and I was underwhelmed. Thought I'd be underwhelmed by Miss Saigon and it was next level epic. But am thinking (and hoping) third time right! I've often dreamt that if I ever won the Powerball lotto (which recently had a jackpot of 1.5 billion dollars) I would absolutely stage the original with the original sets and an all-star cast even if it meant I burnt through $20 million. Would be worth every dollar. Sad that we didn't realize exactly how great those "good old days" of theater were. Got chills every time I saw it and that mansion floated in or whisked away. Truly something special and magical
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Post by solotheatregoer on Aug 17, 2023 22:03:40 GMT
I booked a ticket for 12th October and ATG mailed today saying that due to scheduling changes, Rachel Tucker will be on instead of Nicole S. I would like to see Nicole but it would mean changing to another day and then having to spend an extra day in London. I don’t know much about Rachel Tucker at all. Thoughts?
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Post by BVM on Aug 17, 2023 22:07:40 GMT
I was a child of the mega musicals and I have found in the noughties, 10s and 20s nothing ever comes close. Sadly, they are never coming back (much as I'd love to see the Apollo Victoria ripped apart again for a gigantic metal bridge and tracks). I've found however that I often prefer total reinventions to "the same but smaller." Again just my preference. I hate cheapish wobbly Kenwright sets. If it's not gonna be mega, I'd prefer it clever, conceptual, completely different. Miss Saigon in Sheffield utterly achieved this and this gives me hope Sunset may do similar. ENO and Curve tour I enjoyed but I just sat there thinking - well, it's not the epic Napier set. Kenwright Evita tour I just missed the Grandage/Prince vision. OAT I did not - didn't even think about it. So am all for something totally different for the mega musicals in the 20s! - Personal taste (again lol) but I love the bold colour blocking and choices for the design/advertising that we've seen so far. I also love the camp of the Scherzinger faces in front of the broken glass. No idea what they are going for but I like it! Anyway - just my opinion. Sorry, bit boring as know I have said all these things many times on this forum. But that's why I am excited about this production :-) On paper it ticks all my boxes so far.... All with a pinch of salt. Thought I'd love Aspects and I was underwhelmed. Thought I'd be underwhelmed by Miss Saigon and it was next level epic. But am thinking (and hoping) third time right! I've often dreamt that if I ever won the Powerball lotto (which recently had a jackpot of 1.5 billion dollars) I would absolutely stage the original with the original sets and an all-star cast even if it meant I burnt through $20 million. Would be worth every dollar. Sad that we didn't realize exactly how great those "good old days" of theater were. Got chills every time I saw it and that mansion floated in or whisked away. Truly something special and magical I shall pray you win that Lotto! Yeah you're so right. Those sets and ambitions in staging were the norm when I was a teenager. Although I was constantly wowed I very much assumed that musicals would be like that forever. You don't know what you've got till it's gone. All of Napier's sets were incredible but Cats, Starlight, Miss Saigon and Sunset were next level. The mansion floating in and out was indeed pure chills! Luckily my mindset has kinda changed in last 10 years from being gutted that the era has gone to being so grateful that I was there (and I still have all the souvenir brochures lol).
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Post by Jon on Aug 17, 2023 22:16:25 GMT
I suspect it's simply too expensive to do Sunset Boulevard like it was 30 years ago but also that production nearly bankrupted ALW.
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Post by Rory on Aug 17, 2023 22:54:47 GMT
I booked a ticket for 12th October and ATG mailed today saying that due to scheduling changes, Rachel Tucker will be on instead of Nicole S. I would like to see Nicole but it would mean changing to another day and then having to spend an extra day in London. I don’t know much about Rachel Tucker at all. Thoughts? She's amazing!
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Post by A.Ham on Aug 18, 2023 9:29:21 GMT
I booked a ticket for 12th October and ATG mailed today saying that due to scheduling changes, Rachel Tucker will be on instead of Nicole S. I would like to see Nicole but it would mean changing to another day and then having to spend an extra day in London. I don’t know much about Rachel Tucker at all. Thoughts? She's amazing! I’d second this! I’ve only seen her in Come From Away (several times) and yes she’s absolutely great. Brilliant voice and she acted the role really well too. Although I didn’t see her in it, I know she’s a real favourite with Wicked fans as well, considered one of the best ever West End Elphabas. So definitely go see Sunset with her. Could you squeeze in a second visit to catch Nicole too?
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Post by solotheatregoer on Aug 18, 2023 13:19:40 GMT
I’d second this! I’ve only seen her in Come From Away (several times) and yes she’s absolutely great. Brilliant voice and she acted the role really well too. Although I didn’t see her in it, I know she’s a real favourite with Wicked fans as well, considered one of the best ever West End Elphabas. So definitely go see Sunset with her. Could you squeeze in a second visit to catch Nicole too? Thanks both. I decided to stick with the 12th (got a free upgrade through ATG to a better seat in the stalls too).
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Aug 20, 2023 7:08:01 GMT
I suspect it's simply too expensive to do Sunset Boulevard like it was 30 years ago but also that production nearly bankrupted ALW. True. But the cost of going to the theatre has skyrocketed in the past thirty years, compared to the cost of other consumable culture (books, music, cinema, streaming, going to a museum or art gallery etc). The top price ticket when Sunset first opened was £32.50, with a huge set and orchestra and a major Broadway star. Not to mention a bone fide film star who’d just co-starred with Julia Roberts. Now it’s £250, with (likely) no set and someone from the Pussycat Dolls. (Yes I know she has a nice voice, but the last time I paid that kind of money I was seeing Barbra Streisand. Who was backed by a sixty piece orchestra.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 8:03:00 GMT
Everyone's thresholds are different, but once a theater ticket crosses the £100-150, my expectations for the production start to change and/or I start to compare my potential purchase to other things I can do with those monies. I think this becomes even more true if someone has seen the show before, particularly in a lavish form.
I love Jamie Lloyd's work, but having seen Close and Buckley in the original and another production in London where the cast played the instruments, nothing about this mounting right now has me predisposed to immediately purchase a ticket. Very much a wait and see patron at the moment.
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Post by BVM on Aug 20, 2023 18:55:41 GMT
I honestly don't know where this overexcitement about ticket prices is coming from.
On the official (ATG) website, these are the prices:
Standard: £20/£37.50/£47.50/£67.50/£87.50 - vast majority of seats in theatre Packages where ATG throw in poor value nonsense: £117.50/£137.50 - small number of seats Premium (in decreasing order of number of seats at that price): £125/£175/£245
There are 14 of the famous £245 seats - so 1% of the theatre. Obviously aimed at corporates, millionaires, people with more money than sense - for producers/theatre to cream in some easy money from said sources. Nobody with "normal" income should ever feel the need to pay anywhere near this price as you can get pretty much as good a view for £87.50. Further - there are way more seats at second lowest price than second highest price. There are way more seats at third lowest price than third highest price.
I get that in the world of social media, and Twitter, and outrage and the fun of shouting "greedy greedy producers, it's a disgrace," polarised press and polarised politics it is very easy to be lead down the path of quoting the highest prices. But it's almost impossible to have a sensible discussion about ticket prices with this hyperbole.
I CBA to work out the mean ticket price, but the modal one is £87.50 and the median would be £77.50 (excluding the packages where you pay for other things). So IMHO the most sensible figure to shout into the abyss on ticket prices for this show would be one of those.
(Also worth mentioning that it's hardly ENO/Covent Garden and you can get decent views in The Savoy for the lowest three prices).
Also - these prices are totally inline with any West End musical.
I dunno; I know it's a topic that people get very passionate about - I just feel it's hard to get anywhere when people don't at least try and quote a sensible guess at the average ticket price.
And believe me, I can't bare ATG and their profit hungry dreadful service fat cat ways and I would be the first to call them out if I thought it was deserved. But it isn't here. The pricing is the same as everything else give or take/special examples aside. Boring though that may sound!
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Post by sleepflower on Aug 20, 2023 19:24:01 GMT
Are we likely to get rush tickets for this eventually?
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Post by punxsutawney on Aug 20, 2023 19:54:06 GMT
I honestly don't know where this overexcitement about ticket prices is coming from. On the official (ATG) website, these are the prices: Standard: £20/£37.50/£47.50/£67.50/£87.50 - vast majority of seats in theatre Packages where ATG throw in poor value nonsense: £117.50/£137.50 - small number of seats Premium (in decreasing order of number of seats at that price): £125/£175/£245 There are 14 of the famous £245 seats - so 1% of the theatre. Obviously aimed at corporates, millionaires, people with more money than sense - for producers/theatre to cream in some easy money from said sources. Nobody with "normal" income should ever feel the need to pay anywhere near this price as you can get pretty much as good a view for £87.50. Further - there are way more seats at second lowest price than second highest price. There are way more seats at third lowest price than third highest price. I get that in the world of social media, and Twitter, and outrage and the fun of shouting "greedy greedy producers, it's a disgrace," polarised press and polarised politics it is very easy to be lead down the path of quoting the highest prices. But it's almost impossible to have a sensible discussion about ticket prices with this hyperbole. I CBA to work out the mean ticket price, but the modal one is £87.50 and the median would be £77.50 (excluding the packages where you pay for other things). So IMHO the most sensible figure to shout into the abyss on ticket prices for this show would be one of those. (Also worth mentioning that it's hardly ENO/Covent Garden and you can get decent views in The Savoy for the lowest three prices). Also - these prices are totally inline with any West End musical. I dunno; I know it's a topic that people get very passionate about - I just feel it's hard to get anywhere when people don't at least try and quote a sensible guess at the average ticket price. And believe me, I can't bare ATG and their profit hungry dreadful service fat cat ways and I would be the first to call them out if I thought it was deserved. But it isn't here. The pricing is the same as everything else give or take/special examples aside. Boring though that may sound! Agreed on this - there's issues with pricing across the industry, but I don't think it's fair to single out this show specifically. I've seen shows with far worse pricing structures, including long-runners which really have no need to be so exclusionary with their pricing!
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Post by danb on Aug 20, 2023 20:02:08 GMT
…and lest we forget, when it doesn’t sell, they’ll be begging us to join in their ‘onlinelotteryrushdayseatpleasebuythem’ promotion for £30 seats. It seems averagely priced to me. ‘Wizard of Oz’ isn’t much cheaper when it comes to Bristol and we’ve no idea who is going to be in it. At least they’ve announced a Sunset cast now.
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Post by jj9692 on Aug 20, 2023 20:28:43 GMT
Just booked for the 12th October matinee. Wasn't really interested in the show. The original was before my time, but after seeing Glenn Close at the Coliseum, I thought that would be it at its pinnacle for me.
But have now relented on a back row of the dress circle, after spending a bit of time comparing ticket prices and researching views on SeatPlan, to see Rachel Tucker give her Norma Desmond. Wasn't really interested in seeing Nicole, but once Rachel was announced it became intriguing.
Kind of looking forward to seeing how it's being reinterpreted, might be controversial, but I really did enjoy Jamie Lloyd's Evita. I can picture it being done minimally, as long as that score and the performances are done to perfection.
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Post by SuttonPeron on Aug 20, 2023 21:20:13 GMT
I honestly don't know where this overexcitement about ticket prices is coming from. On the official (ATG) website, these are the prices: Standard: £20/£37.50/£47.50/£67.50/£87.50 - vast majority of seats in theatre Packages where ATG throw in poor value nonsense: £117.50/£137.50 - small number of seats Premium (in decreasing order of number of seats at that price): £125/£175/£245 I think the pricing is on the fairer side for this one. Certainly far from Les Mis/London Coliseum/Cabaret prices. I´m all for £245 seats if there are cheaper options. And in this case, there are plenty. Both regular tickets and the promised £20 seats for young people/unemployed. And obviously there´ll be rush or a lottery for the lucky Londoners who don´t need to plan in advance.
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Post by Rory on Aug 20, 2023 21:22:54 GMT
Coincidentally I've looked at the evening performance of Sat 7th Oct with a view to booking and the only seats under £100 are Row Q of the stalls, what's the view like from there?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 22:08:33 GMT
How much money did ALW loose on Sunset as at the time he'd have been rolling in royalties from Cats and Phantom?
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Post by Jon on Aug 20, 2023 22:14:42 GMT
How much money did ALW loose on Sunset as at the time he'd have been rolling in royalties from Cats and Phantom? $20m from the various lawsuits as well as the large running costs.
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