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Post by 141920grm on Dec 2, 2023 14:14:21 GMT
Pictures look great because they frame the show more tightly than it actually is… there are great visually thought-out moments especially when the cast fill the stage; it’s the indecisive transitions being dwarfed by the stage that’s one of its weaker points. Smaller stage might help it? Lots of great ideas and choreography but as my design tutor would’ve said, selection isn’t rigorous enough
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Post by mkb on Dec 2, 2023 21:08:13 GMT
Dominic Cavendish gives three stars in the Torygraph, and has an alternative take to any notion that Foster is copying Lloyd in style. Watching the latter's Sunset, Cavendish writes "I definitely had moments of déjà vu, to put it mildly.". He's suggesting that it is in fact Lloyd who borrowed ideas from Foster's streamed, lockdown version of Sunset.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 3, 2023 7:48:32 GMT
4 (four) stars from What’s On Stage. 2 (two) stars from The Guardian. East Midlands Theatre loved it!
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Post by BVM on Dec 3, 2023 11:15:46 GMT
4 (four) stars from What’s On Stage. 2 (two) stars from The Guardian. East Midlands Theatre loved it! Lol. All the greats. Surprised not to see ATD there 😂😱🤦🏻♂️.
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Post by BVM on Dec 3, 2023 11:22:06 GMT
On the who’s copying who thing, probs nobody is copying anyone.
Remember a few pages of the Sunset thread where a few people were telling the ravers such as myself that there wasn’t much new or original about this style as various people had done it in various things for years!
(I guess maybe true but the wonder of what Lloyd had done in terms of execution of the style and every tiny perfected element remained).
So I guess minimal set/workings of theatre visible/white lighting/video/modern chromatic dress is simply “a” style available to all directors. Like projection heavy has been for the last 15 years. And big physical sets were before.
Also worth saying that both Foster and Curve love the kind of style they’ve gone for on this and have used it many times before so it’s not really surprising.
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Post by max on Dec 3, 2023 11:28:49 GMT
On the who’s copying who thing, probs nobody is copying anyone. Remember a few pages of the Sunset thread where a few people were telling the ravers such as myself that there wasn’t much new or original about this style as various people had done it in various things for years! (I guess maybe true but the wonder of what Lloyd had done in terms of execution of the style and every tiny perfected element remained). So I guess minimal set/workings of theatre visible/white lighting/video/modern chromatic dress is simply “a” style available to all directors. Like projection heavy has been for the last 15 years. And big physical sets were before. Also worth saying that both Foster and Curve love the kind of style they’ve gone for on this and have used it many times before so it’s not really surprising. I saw a production of EVITA in London a while ago that used most of these: "minimal set/workings of theatre visible/white lighting/video/modern chromatic dress". Can't remember the director's name. Somebody Prince, I think. Gerald Prince? ; )
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Post by BVM on Dec 3, 2023 11:38:36 GMT
On the who’s copying who thing, probs nobody is copying anyone. Remember a few pages of the Sunset thread where a few people were telling the ravers such as myself that there wasn’t much new or original about this style as various people had done it in various things for years! (I guess maybe true but the wonder of what Lloyd had done in terms of execution of the style and every tiny perfected element remained). So I guess minimal set/workings of theatre visible/white lighting/video/modern chromatic dress is simply “a” style available to all directors. Like projection heavy has been for the last 15 years. And big physical sets were before. Also worth saying that both Foster and Curve love the kind of style they’ve gone for on this and have used it many times before so it’s not really surprising. I saw a production of EVITA in London a while ago that used most of these: "minimal set/workings of theatre visible/white lighting/video/modern chromatic dress". Can't remember the director's name. Somebody Prince, I think. Gerald Prince? ; ) Exactly lol!
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Post by toomasj on Dec 3, 2023 13:56:27 GMT
I saw yesterday’s matinee and I absolutely loathed this. Shame as Nikolai is a lovely guy and great to work with, but I really hated every aspect of this production. This kind of staging is really just not my cup of tea even when done slickly and stylishly. Stage looks bare, set is janky, performances are far removed from the characters I know. The singing was generally okay.
What was the deal with the muscle men? It was like someone staged Chicago based on a hallucinogenic fever dream they half remember.
Some shows simply don’t work with the Van Hove/Lloyd style and this is one of them.
1* and wish I’d left at the interval: it was only the long journey and the fact I had a time specific train back which kept me there. If anything the second act was worse.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 3, 2023 20:33:56 GMT
This looks bare because… they have no money. It’s the same with every musical they stage. They have a huge stage and no money to fill it.
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Post by danb on Dec 3, 2023 21:13:51 GMT
Are we getting to a stage where we’d rather have no revivals than half arsed cheapo ones? I know that our expectations need managing in a recession and that it should be the impetus that creatives need to try and do more with less; but not if they just serve up bland, insipid, watered down retreads. I’m looking to Starlight to see if they actually spend any money or expend any creative energy on it.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Dec 3, 2023 21:34:13 GMT
Are we getting to a stage where we’d rather have no revivals than half arsed cheapo ones? I know that our expectations need managing in a recession and that it should be the impetus that creatives need to try and do more with less; but not if they just serve up bland, insipid, watered down retreads. I’m looking to Starlight to see if they actually spend any money or expend any creative energy on it. Why revivals? Surely it applies to all shows. Revival or new. We don't want to see bland cheap looking shows regardless.
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Post by danb on Dec 3, 2023 21:38:35 GMT
You can at least pretend that it was your intention if a new show looks cheap & under-produced. It’s a stylistic choice. If you revive something that used to be shiny & nice with lesser production values it becomes blatantly obvious. Sunset avoids this by sounding glorious, filling the stage with quality talent and having a clear aesthetic. Perhaps ‘Evita’ should have tried a bit harder.
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Post by theatreliker on Dec 4, 2023 7:09:09 GMT
This looks bare because… they have no money. It’s the same with every musical they stage. They have a huge stage and no money to fill it. Wasn't a huge fan of this but... I prefer the stripped back look of their productions rather than when they put a cheap looking set on it which dwarfs the stage (like The Wizard of Oz). It is a huge stage and so why fill it with set just for the sake of it? Admittedly there's probably a better midpoint. West Side Story and Billy Elliot achieved this better imo.
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Post by toomasj on Dec 4, 2023 7:33:53 GMT
This looks bare because… they have no money. It’s the same with every musical they stage. They have a huge stage and no money to fill it. Wasn't a huge fan of this but... I prefer the stripped back look of their productions rather than when they put a cheap looking set on it which dwarfs the stage (like The Wizard of Oz). It is a huge stage and so why fill it with set just for the sake of it? Admittedly there's probably a better midpoint. West Side Story and Billy Elliot achieved this better imo. The set and costumes alone, as much as I hated them (and I really hated them) weren’t even the biggest faults in my opinion. It was just so soulless. The chap next to me described it as “hollow”. The Kenwright tour was miles ahead of this. Dreadful.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 4, 2023 9:06:42 GMT
This looks bare because… they have no money. It’s the same with every musical they stage. They have a huge stage and no money to fill it. Wasn't a huge fan of this but... I prefer the stripped back look of their productions rather than when they put a cheap looking set on it which dwarfs the stage (like The Wizard of Oz). It is a huge stage and so why fill it with set just for the sake of it? Admittedly there's probably a better midpoint. West Side Story and Billy Elliot achieved this better imo. I don’t mean fill the stage with scenery.. I mean have a proper design concept- all of their musicals (in my opinion) have looked completely uninspired visually and clearly a huge part is to do with the budgets they have. This is no slight on them- god knows putting on a show is getting harder and harder. It’s just the reality of the situation.
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Post by BVM on Dec 9, 2023 17:18:31 GMT
Just back from queer Magic Mike! I mean, Evita.
Loved it. Stylish, sleek, minimalist, atmospheric, sexual, creative, refreshing. Lit to within an inch of its life and exposing all the workings of this gorgeous building. Stunning.
Cast sublime.
Full report to follow at some point.
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Post by toomasj on Dec 10, 2023 7:26:28 GMT
Each to their own!!! This was absolute garbage in my view, but I’m glad you enjoyed it. The one thing I didn’t mention in my previous review that I thought it had in its favour - it knew what it was and played up to it.
I love a campfest but this is not the show to try it. If it was filmed it would be a meme.
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Post by toomasj on Dec 12, 2023 4:47:05 GMT
“ For performances from 17 - 21 and 30 December, you can book top price seats for £35, a discount of up to 28%. To take advantage of this offer, simply quote TOKEN35 when calling the box office on 0116 242 3595, plus you can use your Theatre Tokens!”
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 12, 2023 8:04:50 GMT
Just back from queer Magic Mike! I mean, Evita. Loved it. Stylish, sleek, minimalist, atmospheric, sexual, creative, refreshing. Lit to within an inch of its life and exposing all the workings of this gorgeous building. Stunning. Cast sublime. Full report to follow at some point. I’ve heard Curve described as many things… but Gorgeous has never been one of them 🤣
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Post by BVM on Dec 12, 2023 16:45:10 GMT
Just back from queer Magic Mike! I mean, Evita. Loved it. Stylish, sleek, minimalist, atmospheric, sexual, creative, refreshing. Lit to within an inch of its life and exposing all the workings of this gorgeous building. Stunning. Cast sublime. Full report to follow at some point. I’ve heard Curve described as many things… but Gorgeous has never been one of them 🤣 Oh yes I think it's a really nice theatre. It's new ish so it's still quite shiny and the wings and fly tower and all the lighting rigs that they expose in this (and many) productions look incredibly theatrical and atmospheric IMHO. After the show the sides of the stage literally lift up and as you leave you can see straight through from one side of stage to other. But the FOH spaces are nice too. Plenty of room, no pinch points, clean and spacious loos, bar and cafe space good. Really high ceilings. Inside excellent leg room, comfort and sightlines. Reminds me of many of the European theatres I go to as well as some of the other newer UK ones. A much more pleasurable audience experience that most London theatres and a joy to visit I'd say. I love the feel of modern/industrial style buildings with glass/metal/clean lines and surfaces though so maybe it is just to my taste. And I love theatres where once the lights go down you're not distracted by the auditorium. It's a shame financial constraints stop them staging more "mega" productions as it's a venue with excellent facilities capable of staging the biggest productions. Of course many large scale tours like Miss Saigon and Les Mis tech and launch there.
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Post by Jon on Dec 12, 2023 17:02:42 GMT
I’ve heard Curve described as many things… but Gorgeous has never been one of them 🤣 Oh yes I think it's a really nice theatre. It's new ish so it's still quite shiny and the wings and fly tower and all the lighting rigs that they expose in this (and many) productions look incredibly theatrical and atmospheric IMHO. After the show the sides of the stage literally lift up and as you leave you can see straight through from one side of stage to other. But the FOH spaces are nice too. Plenty of room, no pinch points, clean and spacious loos, bar and cafe space good. Really high ceilings. Inside excellent let room, comfort and sightlines. Reminds me of many of the European theatres I go to as well as some of the other newer UK ones. A much more pleasurable audience experience that most London theatres and a joy to visit I'd say. I love the feel on modern/industrial style buildings with glass/metal/clean lines and surfaces though so maybe it is just to my taste. And I love theatres where once the lights go down you're not distracted by the auditorium. It's a shame financial constraints stop them staging more "mega" productions as it's a venue with excellent facilities capable of staging the biggest productions. Of course many large scale tours like Miss Saigon and Les Mis tech and launch there. I agree, for a fairly modern theatre, it looks distinctive. Compare that to @sohoplace and The Bridge which look quite bland on the outside. The Aylesbury Waterside is another one I like as a modern theatre building.
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Post by BVM on Dec 12, 2023 17:06:40 GMT
Oh yes I think it's a really nice theatre. It's new ish so it's still quite shiny and the wings and fly tower and all the lighting rigs that they expose in this (and many) productions look incredibly theatrical and atmospheric IMHO. After the show the sides of the stage literally lift up and as you leave you can see straight through from one side of stage to other. But the FOH spaces are nice too. Plenty of room, no pinch points, clean and spacious loos, bar and cafe space good. Really high ceilings. Inside excellent let room, comfort and sightlines. Reminds me of many of the European theatres I go to as well as some of the other newer UK ones. A much more pleasurable audience experience that most London theatres and a joy to visit I'd say. I love the feel on modern/industrial style buildings with glass/metal/clean lines and surfaces though so maybe it is just to my taste. And I love theatres where once the lights go down you're not distracted by the auditorium. It's a shame financial constraints stop them staging more "mega" productions as it's a venue with excellent facilities capable of staging the biggest productions. Of course many large scale tours like Miss Saigon and Les Mis tech and launch there. I agree, for a fairly modern theatre, it looks distinctive. Compare that to @sohoplace and The Bridge which look quite bland on the outside. The Aylesbury Waterside is another one I like as a modern theatre building. Very much so - in fact for a brand new building I was shocked by how cramped the FOH and loos were at Soho Place. FOH also looks cheap. Plus terrible legroom inside. I do think in 20 years it won't have aged well....
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Post by distantcousin on Dec 16, 2023 0:58:17 GMT
Just back from queer Magic Mike! I mean, Evita. Loved it. Stylish, sleek, minimalist, atmospheric, sexual, creative, refreshing. Lit to within an inch of its life and exposing all the workings of this gorgeous building. Stunning. Cast sublime. Full report to follow at some point. Oh god, I absolutely hated it!
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Post by distantcousin on Dec 16, 2023 1:04:39 GMT
Wasn't a huge fan of this but... I prefer the stripped back look of their productions rather than when they put a cheap looking set on it which dwarfs the stage (like The Wizard of Oz). It is a huge stage and so why fill it with set just for the sake of it? Admittedly there's probably a better midpoint. West Side Story and Billy Elliot achieved this better imo. The set and costumes alone, as much as I hated them (and I really hated them) weren’t even the biggest faults in my opinion. It was just so soulless. The chap next to me described it as “hollow”. The Kenwright tour was miles ahead of this. Dreadful. You took the words out of my mouth.
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Post by BVM on Dec 16, 2023 8:54:54 GMT
Just back from queer Magic Mike! I mean, Evita. Loved it. Stylish, sleek, minimalist, atmospheric, sexual, creative, refreshing. Lit to within an inch of its life and exposing all the workings of this gorgeous building. Stunning. Cast sublime. Full report to follow at some point. Oh god, I absolutely hated it! I mean I can see why people would think this. Choices were certainly made. I could have been distracted by the arms of the ensemble! I do think the storytelling was weak. And I didn’t really buy Tyrone’s Che, just didn’t have much presence. Which is odd as he was sensational in JCS!
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