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Post by theatrefan62 on Dec 26, 2022 22:33:36 GMT
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Dec 26, 2022 22:35:53 GMT
9pm on Thursday The more I see/hear from this the more I can't wait Saw some people on Twitter reacting to the trailer like ‘why would you make this??’ and ‘ugh why are they doing this?’ - as if it was an earnest musical and not biting, purposefully controversial satire to drag his public image through the mud more than it already is.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 27, 2022 8:29:59 GMT
Sounds great. I'm excited
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Post by Seriously on Dec 27, 2022 14:09:56 GMT
I wonder what his alleged victims will think of it?
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Post by Mr Snow on Dec 27, 2022 21:29:24 GMT
Why give more attention to something that just perpetuates the glory of the worst thing about Britain.
This is where meaningful change has to start.
Laughing? You should be crying...
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Post by theatrefan62 on Dec 27, 2022 22:05:57 GMT
If you think this gives Prince Andrew some sort of glory you're not paying attention.
Also, did you feel the same way about war monger Tony Blair and his musical? Or The Producers mocking Hitler?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 28, 2022 8:08:19 GMT
We can't ignore the worst things in Britain. A light must be shone. Although as Seriously says I hope it does manage to be respectful to victims of sexual abuse
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Post by karloscar on Dec 28, 2022 21:41:36 GMT
Love the use of the Pizza Express logo. They'll be absolutely fuming!
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Post by sukhavati on Dec 29, 2022 7:50:05 GMT
After hearing this one song, I already like it sooooo much better than "Diana, the Musical." Very witty.
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Dec 29, 2022 21:12:47 GMT
3 songs in and while the songwriting isn’t amazing, it has the sense of irony (and knowing wink) that Diana the musical needed.
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Post by alece10 on Dec 29, 2022 21:29:16 GMT
Well I've heard a lot worse. Some of the songs are not bad at all and sounds like a really big orchestra.
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Dec 29, 2022 21:31:30 GMT
3 songs in and while the songwriting isn’t amazing, it has the sense of irony (and knowing wink) that Diana the musical needed. I take it back, the songs have picked up (so far the best songs are Sarah Furgeson’s song ‘My Profiterole In This’ and their divorce duet) Using real life footage to kind of trace his life (and show that he’s always been a scumbag from the start), it really works as a mocking satire.
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Post by james1969 on Dec 29, 2022 21:52:23 GMT
Really enjoying this so far
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Post by Seriously on Dec 29, 2022 22:06:01 GMT
For me, it just painted him as ridiculous, rather than predatory. The songs didn’t really go anywhere, or say anything. It was going for base humour, rather than any subtext or biting commentary. All we really had was a mention that he was knew Epstein, and then Charles admonishing him for hanging around with pedophiles.
The video footage of Andrew and its commentary said far more than the songs did. I think I’d rather have had a version that was “The Trial of Prince Andrew”, in an alternate reality, and hear the thoughts of witnesses, the jury and the press.
And if you’re going to write a musical… have catchy songs, rather than just sung text. At the end we had a title card explaining how things had ended up. Don’t tell… show.
And given that the real star of the evening was the orchestra… perhaps list them in the credits?
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Dec 29, 2022 22:14:08 GMT
They really stuck the landing - continuing to utterly decimate Andrew’s public image and making him a national laughing stock, while also pointing out the ugly truth that every royal family era ‘needs’ a bad-guy minor royal to distract the media from the monarchy’s flaws (“you’re always gonna need an Andrew”).
The songs got better and better as it went on - not ones you’re going to want to listen to on Spotify afterwards, but very entertaining within the context of the show and had some amazingly cutting lines mixed in.
(Also for the above ‘paints him as ridiculous rather than predatory’ - it’s surely both. He was a remorseless predator to didn’t get his comeuppance, so this is making him a laughingstock and continuing to highlight how awful he is while he’s being hidden away from the public)
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Post by Peter on Dec 29, 2022 22:14:55 GMT
The London Musical Theatre Orchestra have tweeted publicising the album on Spotify
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Post by Seriously on Dec 29, 2022 22:18:50 GMT
They really stuck the landing - continuing to utterly decimate Andrew’s public image and making him a national laughing stock, while also pointing out the ugly truth that every royal family era ‘needs’ a bad-guy minor royal to distract the media from the monarchy’s flaws (“you’re always gonna need an Andrew”). The songs got better and better as it went on - not ones you’re going to want to listen to on Spotify afterwards, but very entertaining within the context of the show and had some amazingly cutting lines mixed in. (Also for the above ‘paints him as ridiculous rather than predatory’ - it’s surely both. He was a remorseless predator to didn’t get his comeuppance, so this is making him a laughingstock and continuing to highlight how awful he is while he’s being hidden away from the public) They made him out to be a buffoon, rather than a cold, calculating predator. At any point did you feel "this man is evil"?
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Dec 29, 2022 22:24:36 GMT
They really stuck the landing - continuing to utterly decimate Andrew’s public image and making him a national laughing stock, while also pointing out the ugly truth that every royal family era ‘needs’ a bad-guy minor royal to distract the media from the monarchy’s flaws (“you’re always gonna need an Andrew”). The songs got better and better as it went on - not ones you’re going to want to listen to on Spotify afterwards, but very entertaining within the context of the show and had some amazingly cutting lines mixed in. (Also for the above ‘paints him as ridiculous rather than predatory’ - it’s surely both. He was a remorseless predator to didn’t get his comeuppance, so this is making him a laughingstock and continuing to highlight how awful he is while he’s being hidden away from the public) They made him out to be a buffoon, rather than a cold, calculating predator. At any point did you feel "this man is evil"? tbh making him ‘evil’ would be glorifying him more - it’s better to make him an un remorseful buffoon rather than feed his ego. The real guy said he doesn’t sweat because of war PTSD and that he was at a pizza express - he’s hardly a cold, calculating guy in real life. He’s an evil scum bag, but he’s not in any way calculating (because he’s an idiot)
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Post by Seriously on Dec 29, 2022 22:26:23 GMT
They made him out to be a buffoon, rather than a cold, calculating predator. At any point did you feel "this man is evil"? tbh making him ‘evil’ would be glorifying him more - it’s better to make him an un remorseful buffoon rather than feed his ego. The real guy said he doesn’t sweat because of war PTSD and that he was at a pizza express - he’s hardly a cold, calculating guy in real life. He’s an evil scum bag, but he’s not in any way calculating (because he’s an idiot) I hope his victims see it this way.
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Dec 29, 2022 22:32:29 GMT
tbh making him ‘evil’ would be glorifying him more - it’s better to make him an un remorseful buffoon rather than feed his ego. The real guy said he doesn’t sweat because of war PTSD and that he was at a pizza express - he’s hardly a cold, calculating guy in real life. He’s an evil scum bag, but he’s not in any way calculating (because he’s an idiot) I hope his victims see it this way. That he’s a predatory idiot?
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Post by Seriously on Dec 29, 2022 22:36:17 GMT
I hope his victims see it this way. That he’s a predatory idiot? That "it’s better to make him an un remorseful buffoon"
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Post by alece10 on Dec 29, 2022 22:40:07 GMT
Well I thought it was hilarious and thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Post by anxiousoctopus on Dec 29, 2022 23:03:14 GMT
That he’s a predatory idiot? That "it’s better to make him an un remorseful buffoon" In a show meant to mock him as a terrible person who deserves a comeuppance? I’d say so
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Post by annette on Dec 30, 2022 5:43:46 GMT
From seeing the trailers I was a bit dubious about this enterprise, but I was gobsmacked when I saw the programme in full.
First of all I feel this has been scheduled by C4 at a point where every thing that has been observed/satirised about this woeful crime has already been said. If they were going to do something like this, it should have been much closer to the time when it all blew up.
As soon as I saw the actor playing Andrew turn the photo of Epstein face down before the Matilda interview ,my heart sank and I realised this was likely to be ‘satire’ painted with very broad brush strokes.
I thought it was woefully unfunny and seemed like the star of the show who also apparently wrote it, had never seen a musical in his life and therefore did not have a clue how to accurately parody the genre ( at least do your homework please).
I’m just flabbergasted that this amateur bilge came from the same broadcaster that was behind The Windsors, which for the most part was pin sharp with top class performances.
In my humble opinion, Prince Andrew - The Musical looked like a cheap mess (I would imagine a good chunk of their budget went on the archive footage which didn’t sit well with the rest of the show at all) and had all the comedic danger of a children’s show.
I am astonished that C4 thought the programme was of a sufficient quality to put out. Given the details of the whole Epstein/Maxwell saga, if someone is going to write a satire about it, it has to really punch above its weight comedically, offer up another perspective that we haven’t already heard about countless times before and have some sort of point to the programme that justifies dredging it all up again, particularly for the victims of this appalling abuse. None of the above were in evidence.
What an embarrassment both for Harry Enfield who seems to be appearing in anything and everything indiscriminately these days , Hattrick Productions, who should have known better and C4 for short changing their audiences with such substandard material (something they seem to be doing regularly in the last few years).
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Dec 30, 2022 8:05:05 GMT
3 songs in and while the songwriting isn’t amazing, it has the sense of irony (and knowing wink) that Diana the musical needed. Diana had a knowing wink, which is evident from the live recordings, but filming it with no audience for Netflix made it seem very earnest and dry. I think Diana is great. Why cant some things just be fun?
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