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Post by Steve on Feb 3, 2023 6:40:53 GMT
Some of the songs are great and the performances are amazing I did feel the worse thing in it was the weird relationship between Keir Hardie and Sylvia. Rhe age difference felt really pronounced, and I don't think it added much to the show. Ha ha, I know what you mean. I've had to deal with my own feelings about that lol. Some spoilers follow. . . On the one hand, it's like, why are you having our protagonist hook up with an "old man" (26 years her senior, even more of an age difference, in real life, than between Gaumond and Rose), and apparently share so much credit for the women's suffrage movement with him? Doesn't that embed a patriarchal-type "ick" feeling into the fibres of a show where all the credit for suffrage rightfully belongs with the women? On the other hand, the relationship is the real deal. Sylvia not only had this relationship with Hardie, but she was proudly shameless about her relationship with him, including pop song style lyrics in her letters to him (eg "I don't want anyone but you but I want you so"), with him writing back to her about "the pressure of my arms around you" and referring to her as "Little Sweetheart" lol! And, after his death, she sent the National Portrait Gallery paintings she made of him, cos she was upset they didn't have any of him, in which she fully depicts every wrinkle of his age lol. And truth is, there is something wonderful about the way Hardie committed himself so heavily to Women's Suffrage, almost at the expense of everything else, and took a lot of stick for it from other politicians, including those in his own party. In real life, sometimes we actually are "stronger together," even when the facts muddy what could otherwise be a pristine narrative about powerful women doing it for themselves. The narrative remains one about powerful women, of course, but also one that acknowledges that powerful women are smart enough to utilise allies among powerful men if it helps realise their ambitions. And, ahem, powerful women can also choose love lives with whoever they want. 5 years ago, John Dagleish's Hardie looked younger, wearing a much smaller beard, than Gaumond looks wears now, so the ick-factor felt less. But it is Gaumond's beard that looks like the one in the real Sylvia's portraits at the Portrait Gallery! And Gaumond is terrific in the role, rapping his convictions, with conviction, yet always giving Rose's Sylvia the respect and stage space she earns and deserves. I think that by including real life facts, that somewhat muddy a potentially more pristine and focused anti-patriarchal narrative, the show honours more of the real Sylvia's humanity and complexity, and helps her earn her name above the title. Also, her siding with Hardie, and the Labour Party's socialist principles, does contrast nicely with her mother, Emmeline, who ultimately ran for office as a candidate for the Conservative Party. Pankhurst infighting is a defining, and fascinating part of the plot, after all.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 3, 2023 7:47:30 GMT
Some of the songs are great and the performances are amazing I did feel the worse thing in it was the weird relationship between Keir Hardie and Sylvia. Rhe age difference felt really pronounced, and I don't think it added much to the show. Ha ha, I know what you mean. I've had to deal with my own feelings about that lol. Some spoilers follow. . . On the one hand, it's like, why are you having our protagonist hook up with an "old man" (26 years her senior, even more of an age difference, in real life, than between Gaumond and Rose), and apparently share so much credit for the women's suffrage movement with him? Doesn't that embed a patriarchal-type "ick" feeling into the fibres of a show where all the credit for suffrage rightfully belongs with the women? On the other hand, the relationship is the real deal. Sylvia not only had this relationship with Hardie, but she was proudly shameless about her relationship with him, including pop song style lyrics in her letters to him (eg "I don't want anyone but you but I want you so"), with him writing back to her about "the pressure of my arms around you" and referring to her as "Little Sweetheart" lol! And, after his death, she sent the National Portrait Gallery paintings she made of him, cos she was upset they didn't have any of him, in which she fully depicts every wrinkle of his age lol. And truth is, there is something wonderful about the way Hardie committed himself so heavily to Women's Suffrage, almost at the expense of everything else, and took a lot of stick for it from other politicians, including those in his own party. In real life, sometimes we actually are "stronger together," even when the facts muddy what could otherwise be a pristine narrative about powerful women doing it for themselves. The narrative remains one about powerful women, of course, but also one that acknowledges that powerful women are smart enough to utilise allies among powerful men if it helps realise their ambitions. And, ahem, powerful women can also choose love lives with whoever they want. 5 years ago, John Dagleish's Hardie looked younger, wearing a much smaller beard, than Gaumond looks wears now, so the ick-factor felt less. But it is Gaumond's beard that looks like the one in the real Sylvia's portraits at the Portrait Gallery! And Gaumond is terrific in the role, rapping his convictions, with conviction, yet always giving Rose's Sylvia the respect and stage space she earns and deserves. I think that by including real life facts, that somewhat muddy a potentially more pristine and focused anti-patriarchal narrative, the show honours more of the real Sylvia's humanity and complexity, and helps her earn her name above the title. Also, her siding with Hardie, and the Labour Party's socialist principles, does contrast nicely with her mother, Emmeline, who ultimately ran for office as a candidate for the Conservative Party. Pankhurst infighting is a defining, and fascinating part of the plot, after all. Thanks for the reply, makes me consider it a bit more! I think it was the whole ' I first saw him when I was 12 and he cane to visit my father' thing and the fact he's married with children which took me out of it. I appreciate its historically accurate though Probably my own personal bugbear about these slightly 'grommy' relationships. I felt the same about the one in 'Motown!
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Post by drmaplewood on Feb 3, 2023 12:11:38 GMT
Extended until 8 April.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 7, 2023 8:29:25 GMT
I am afraid I agree with the multiple negative comments on this thread.
The actual story is so interesting, the villain is a Daily Mail sweetheart and yet its written in a way that induces slumber. So many missed opportunities.
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Post by Mark on Feb 8, 2023 0:36:44 GMT
Finally getting round to commenting on this. I saw this last night thanks to the free ticket that ceebee advertised - Thanks again!! Looking back at my comments from the workshop production, I feel quite similar to how I felt then. Act one is a bit... dull, and takes a while to get going. Act two was very good and had great music, although felt very rushed at the end. The good thing is they have focused the story on Sylvia and with a full staging everything is a lot clearer. I couldn't really recall any of the music from my previous visit so can't comment on how different it was, but I guess that does put it in the unmemorable category. Cast were great. I would see it again maybe when I'm a bit more alert (definitely still a bit sleepy from the Sydney jetlag), but I did enjoy overall. There was a show stop in act two (looks like the whole sound system was lost), so didn't get out until around 10:25 last night.
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Post by Being Alive on Feb 15, 2023 9:32:41 GMT
This has come on a long way from the first preview for me, having been to press night yesterday. They've been quite ruthless with cuts (much more than I expected) and all of them are an improvement.
Act 2 has lost 20 minutes which means it's a lot pacier and doesn't feel like such a slog. Hardy has lost his song in the middle of the act, and the business with him is all done in approximately 4 lines of song rather than a 10 minute scene and song. Finale restructured so the final song is now the bows which just makes...tonnes more sense.
Yes, it's still a pretty boring act 1. Yes, some of it is bordering on plagiarism from Hamilton (still can't over the fact that they literally do Satisfied with the same staging and plot point...)
But I had a lot more fun that I had at first preview. Sharon Rose is terrific, and Bev is Bev and I'd listen to her sing the phone book. Special shout out actually for the lighting design and projections, which from my Upper Circle seat were incredibly impressive and impactful.
Is it going to change the world? No Could it be better if one person hadn't be the director, choreographer, lyricist, book writer and co-composer? Absolutely? Is it perfectly watchable? Yes
A strong 3 stars for me 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 15, 2023 9:39:32 GMT
I think the pacing is still waaaaaay off though, they spent a good two hours on about 13 years of Sylvia's life, up to the point where rich, older, married women were allowed to vote (Emmeline's goal), but then rushed through the next ten years that it took to get the vote for all women (Sylvia's goal) in like 7 minutes. And in those 7 minutes they still didn't tell you how she managed to get the vote for all women or what her involvement in that fight was, other than showing some placards and protests. Better than last time round, where that part was covered in about two short sentences by the narrator, but it's still not good enough. Certain parts of the story assume you know a fair bit about her and other suffragettes. The whole plot point about Emily Davison and how she died was clear to me, because I knew that part, but a friend of mine that didn't know about her story, didn't really understand what was going on at the race. They made a big deal of showing Sylvia's brother dying but gave no indication of what? And they still have Silvio's love song to Silvia in at the end, which is a gorgeous song and beautifully sung but doesn't add anything to the story and that time could have been spent on the 10 years mentioned above instead. So yes, the book is way better than last time around but still needs a lot of work. Ooh yes this was a sticking point for me as well. All the songs in Act 1 sounded very samey, but Act 2 was better. I liked Sharon Rose, but the show still left me feeling meh. An overall 3 stars from me.
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Post by Nelly on Feb 15, 2023 22:56:24 GMT
Was surprised to see (what I can only assume is) positive dynamic pricing in action for this Saturday eve and picked up a ticket that is usually classed as premium for a lot less.
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Post by mattnyc on Feb 15, 2023 23:14:52 GMT
What is the run time now?
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Post by Being Alive on Feb 16, 2023 0:14:07 GMT
2hrs 30 including interval.
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Post by ladidah on Feb 16, 2023 8:41:41 GMT
A lot of influencers got free tickets to this last week, a lot of good reviews.
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Post by matty on Feb 16, 2023 23:15:11 GMT
Saw this tonight and having seen the workshop back in 2018, can safely say this had come a long way.
Is it the best Musical currently being performed...no! But it is worth seeing for the cast alone. Everyone on that stage deserved the standing ovation they got tonight.
Yes some of the songs are samey and it is a bit long in parts, but it was a great performance. And of course Beverley was Beverley and simply amazing.
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Post by Nelly on Feb 20, 2023 10:36:15 GMT
I saw this on Saturday. I think I agree with the majority of what has been said before. The cast are what makes this show, some of the material/pacing really is off. Bits that could have had a bigger impact were done so quickly you just end up being like 'oh ok' ie when the {Spoiler - click to view} Brother Dies The band sounded great, and I did like the use of colour in the costumes, lighting and projection. Although from a really picky point of view:{Spoiler - click to view} I liked what they did with the projection when the brother died but then was surprised they didn't do the same thing when Keir dies or even Emily Davison, that would have been a nice motif throughout the show. All in all, this still doesn't seem like the finished product but I'm guessing they consider that it is given that it had an initial try-out and then a preview period where it sounds like chunks were taken out/redone.
Is there a cast recording planned for this? Sorry if I've missed this somewhere, but you can never have enough Beverly Knight.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 20, 2023 12:18:25 GMT
A lot of influencers got free tickets to this last week, a lot of good reviews. Usual crowd getting the freebies was it?
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Post by Dr Tom on Feb 21, 2023 17:35:45 GMT
Has just set off and got five minutes down the road, when I got a text to say that the show tonight has been cancelled. Such a shame, especially as I managed to get front row rush (but I know this can't be helped).
The credit voucher is already in my email.
Cast illness apparently, so I hope everyone recovers quickly.
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Post by oxydrive on Feb 21, 2023 23:35:23 GMT
Has just set off and got five minutes down the road, when I got a text to say that the show tonight has been cancelled. Such a shame, especially as I managed to get front row rush (but I know this can't be helped). The credit voucher is already in my email. Cast illness apparently, so I hope everyone recovers quickly. Oh no! I'm due to go tomorrow for the matinee- how far in advance did they tell you! Did you get the option of a refund? Hope all is ok.
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Post by Dr Tom on Feb 22, 2023 8:57:06 GMT
Oh no! I'm due to go tomorrow for the matinee- how far in advance did they tell you! Did you get the option of a refund? Hope all is ok. About 5:20pm for the 7:30pm show. The email only mentions a voucher, although I'm sure they would have to offer a refund. As I tend to buy through TodayTix at least once a week (often more), I'll just use the voucher. I hope this goes ahead today too.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Feb 22, 2023 15:30:09 GMT
Code to see Sylvia at the Old Vic for £30 (normally £55/65) for perfs up to 3rd March. It’s COMEAGAIN
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Post by A.Ham on Feb 22, 2023 16:00:06 GMT
Code to see Sylvia at the Old Vic for £30 (normally £55/65) for perfs up to 3rd March. It’s COMEAGAIN They just emailed this to me with the email saying ‘Experience Sylvia again for £30’ - but my booking isn’t until next weekend! Still, nice offer and one that’ll hopefully get a few more bums on seats.
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Post by theatremiss on Feb 22, 2023 19:48:54 GMT
Code to see Sylvia at the Old Vic for £30 (normally £55/65) for perfs up to 3rd March. It’s COMEAGAIN Is this for TodayTix or direct with the OV?
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Post by theatrelover123 on Feb 22, 2023 20:10:09 GMT
Code to see Sylvia at the Old Vic for £30 (normally £55/65) for perfs up to 3rd March. It’s COMEAGAIN Is this for TodayTix or direct with the OV? Direct with the OV online. There should be a code box where you enter the code and then presumably it highlights the reduced seats available?
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Post by raiseitup on Feb 28, 2023 13:34:46 GMT
Does anyone know if there is a list of songs in the programme?
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 28, 2023 13:39:53 GMT
Does anyone know if there is a list of songs in the programme? there is
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Post by raiseitup on Feb 28, 2023 13:46:00 GMT
Does anyone know if there is a list of songs in the programme? there is Great! I don't suppose you'd be able to send the song list or a photo of it? I forgot to pick up a programme and I'd love to know the song titles.
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 28, 2023 14:09:10 GMT
Great! I don't suppose you'd be able to send the song list or a photo of it? I forgot to pick up a programme and I'd love to know the song titles. here you go! ooop sorry didn't realise how potato quality that was going to turn out. hopefully still readable for you!
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