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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 11:11:44 GMT
Really, the biggest scandal on 'Britain's Got Talent' is the fact that Amanda Holden is deemed fit to judge it when she clearly has none of her own. And no. Managing an 8 year marriage to Les Dennis does not mean she is talented. Olivier Award nominee Amanda Holden thank you very much darling. 😂😂 Meh. You don't have to do much to be an Olivier nominee. Be somewhat famous or turn up somewhere in 'Hamilton' or 'Harry Potter', they'll throw a nomination at you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 11:20:42 GMT
Olivier Award nominee Amanda Holden thank you very much darling. 😂😂 Meh. You don't have to do much to be an Olivier nominee. Be somewhat famous or turn up somewhere in 'Hamilton' or 'Harry Potter', they'll throw a nomination at you. She speaks the truth. Thats where Clare Halse's nomination went, we have the answer! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 11:34:46 GMT
My favourite Britain's Got Talent scandal was when the winner was revealed to have been using a stunt dog, and people were furious that they'd been lied to, rather than impressed that she'd managed to train *two* dogs to perform acrobatic feats. I remember that. It's like complaining that a magician used misdirection instead of actual magic. She had a stunt dog. That's awesome. The approach of too many people seems to be "I have to be outraged and I have to be outraged NOW! I have no time to think!" |
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Post by kathryn on Jun 4, 2018 11:46:43 GMT
People were voting for the dog, not for the human trainer, that's why they felt aggrieved. Bonkers, I know.
I am not sure if this opinion is unpopular or not: actors in big action films should stop pretending they 'do all their own stunts', and stunt performers should get proper recognition, including categories in the major award shows.
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Post by ellie1981 on Jun 4, 2018 12:43:35 GMT
People were voting for the dog, not for the human trainer, that's why they felt aggrieved. Bonkers, I know. I am not sure if this opinion is unpopular or not: actors in big action films should stop pretending they 'do all their own stunts', and stunt performers should get proper recognition, including categories in the major award shows. On that note, people who hate musicals based on their argument that they can’t suspend disbelief when characters start singing and dancing. That argument should be null and void when the same people can easily suspend disbelief by watching Sci-Fi, Fantasy and ridiculously OTT action sequences such as the ones in the Fast & Furious films. But oh no, there’s just no way anyone would break out into song and it completely takes them out of the story. I’d rather them just say “I’m a miserable old git and I don’t like singing”, which is fair enough. |
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Post by anita on Jun 4, 2018 14:14:07 GMT
Never watched any series of "X factor" "Britains got talent" "The Voice" "Love Island" or "The only way is Essex" ever. Or "Big Brother". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 14:19:59 GMT
That argument should be null and void when the same people can easily suspend disbelief by watching Sci-Fi, Fantasy and ridiculously OTT action sequences such as the ones in the Fast & Furious films. But oh no, there’s just no way anyone would break out into song and it completely takes them out of the story. Strangely, the fact that in every action sequence the hero seems to have taken the time to book an orchestra and bring them along to accompany the fighting never seems to be an issue. "Look, I'm sorry to do this, but can we delay the heist a couple of weeks? You would not believe how difficult it is to arrange rehearsals for 78 musicians." |
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Post by kathryn on Jun 4, 2018 16:46:58 GMT
It is weird that people who have absolutely no objection to film scores complain about how musicals use music to tell a story. Film score is frequently used to tell the audience what is happening - that they should feel tense, or happy, that the two main characters are in love, or (most frequently) THIS IS SAD YOU SHOULD CRY NOW! CRY! CRY, DAMN YOU!
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Post by ellie1981 on Jun 4, 2018 19:23:14 GMT
It is weird that people who have absolutely no objection to film scores complain about how musicals use music to tell a story. Film score is frequently used to tell the audience what is happening - that they should feel tense, or happy, that the two main characters are in love, or (most frequently) THIS IS SAD YOU SHOULD CRY NOW! CRY! CRY, DAMN YOU! Or the fact that I have a friend who scoffs at the mere mention of a musical, but also loves old Disney films. I really need to break it to her one day that most of those are musicals! |
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Post by Jon on Jun 5, 2018 0:58:40 GMT
I never get people who go to plays, operas or ballet who are snobby about musicals but on the flipside, some people I know who like musicals won't watch a play. I sort of understand people not wanting to go to the opera or the ballet but not a play!
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Post by dramallama on Jun 5, 2018 7:37:39 GMT
I never get people who go to plays, operas or ballet who are snobby about musicals but on the flipside, some people I know who like musicals won't watch a play. I sort of understand people not wanting to go to the opera or the ballet but not a play! I wouldn't say I'm snobby about musicals but I just don't enjoy them (that can be my unpopular opinion) - I see their appeal and it's totally legit that people like them, it's just not for me. Plays are absolutely my thing and I would pay to see an opera or a ballet; there is only very few musicals I would pay to see (and another dozen or so I'd see for free should the opportunity arise). Maybe I am secretly snobby but am just in deep denial about that.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 7:51:37 GMT
My particular snobbery is jukebox musicals, and even that's more of a tactical thing. There's way more shows out there than I could ever hope to see, so if I'm going to see a West End musical, I'll want to support original musical writing and thus I'll pick a Jamie over a Mamma Mia every time. Even so, I still saw An Officer and a Gentleman recently, and I have a confused fondness for Bat Out of Hell. Good theatre is good theatre, and I'd hate to miss out on an iconic work just because I've pigeonholed myself as, say, a plays fan, and this newly iconic work is the ballet to end all ballets.
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Post by glossie on Jun 5, 2018 17:50:34 GMT
I can't abide 'Peter and the Wolf'. Hated it at school, still hate it.
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 5, 2018 18:11:32 GMT
I can't abide 'Peter and the Wolf'. Hated it at school, still hate it. Or The Carnival of the Animals. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 18:30:22 GMT
I can't abide 'Peter and the Wolf'. Hated it at school, still hate it. Or The Carnival of the Animals. Yes, hate both of them... And Noye's Sodding Fludde.
This is bringing back awful memories of 'Score Following'. Did anyone else have to do that in their school?
Music teacher hands out these really dog-eared old booklets of music. Something just like any of the above or Swan Bloody Lake. Staves, treble clefs, crotchets, the lot... Then she puts on a really scratched old LP of what you've got in front of you and you are expected to follow the music with your finger (!) while she paces aorund the classroom, looking over your shoulder to check that you can follow it.
Not a bloody clue most of us. All eyes surreptitiously on the swotty girl who learned the clarinet who (fortunately) sat down the front. When she turned over, we all turned over.
Such a doss for the teacher that one...
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Post by lynette on Jun 5, 2018 18:42:47 GMT
Yes we had that. Silly waste of time. We weren’t taught anything about music either academically or culturally. Luckily I was in the choir so I did learn a bit about how music 'worked'. Then the Beatles arrived... so sorted. 😂
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Post by Tibidabo on Jun 5, 2018 19:00:24 GMT
All eyes surreptitiously on the swotty girl who learned the clarinet That was me 😛, except it was the violin 🎻. I loved all that. (Unpopular opinion, obvs.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 19:24:28 GMT
Ugh. School music. I had the misfortune to be in the school choir for three years — I have no idea why, as I couldn't hit a note if you strapped it to a chair and armed me with a baseball bat — and the music teacher had a habit of just handing out sheet music and expecting us to be able to sing it even though at no point did he ever teach anyone to read musical notation. I forget how we managed, but I suspect "not terribly well" is probably accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 19:29:08 GMT
All eyes surreptitiously on the swotty girl who learned the clarinet That was me 😛, except it was the violin 🎻. I loved all that. (Unpopular opinion, obvs.)  Oh that was you, was it?!?! I always wondered what became of you... Christ, we must have all been really, really crap at music thinking your violin was a clarinet! (You should have seen what we used to do behind your back...  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 20:13:30 GMT
All eyes surreptitiously on the swotty girl who learned the clarinet That was me 😛, except it was the violin 🎻. I loved all that. (Unpopular opinion, obvs.) And me! (piano) |
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Post by glossie on Jun 5, 2018 20:18:35 GMT
Blimey, you lot had all the fun!! All we got was some rubbish schools music programme on the radio which all I remember was P & the W, Bobby Shafto and Cherry Ripe. No school choir, no reading music. It's a miracle that I enjoy any music. That's probably down to many happy hours playing 78s on Grandad's old wind-up gramophone!  I always wanted to learn the violin and was picked as one of the select few to have tuition with the Music Prof of the teacher training college our Junior School was attached to...but my parents couldn't afford the fees so I had to turn it down. I still haven't recovered...  |
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Post by Jon on Jun 5, 2018 22:20:07 GMT
I don't get people being sad over a show closing especially ones that have run more than a year. Surely it's the nature of the West End that shows will eventually close and be replaced with new shows.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 22:44:05 GMT
All eyes surreptitiously on the swotty girl who learned the clarinet That was me 😛, except it was the violin 🎻. I loved all that. (Unpopular opinion, obvs.) Also a violinist here! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 0:33:51 GMT
I don't get people being sad over a show closing especially ones that have run more than a year. Surely it's the nature of the West End that shows will eventually close and be replaced with new shows. I know this is the unpopular opinions thread but I'm gonna respectfully reply to this one, cause you told me the exact same thing in the Dreamgirls thread when I said I was sad about it closing, so I feel this is kinda directed at me. I get what you are saying: a show closes, then the posibility to get a new show is exciting, cause as theatre fans we need new stuff. Now, let's say, Hamilton is announced to close. I'm assuming you are a big fan cause it's on your avatar. In case I'm wrong just think of a show you love, one of your faves. Wouldn't you feel a little bit sad about it? What if you never get the chance to see it again? So yeah, mixed emotions. Sad it's closing, excited about what could come next. Not trying to change your mind, not trying to start an argument. It's your opinion and I respect that. Just getting my point across. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 6:53:05 GMT
^ I get this completely...
When a production closes in a theatre where it’s resided for years and years, it’s not just a show that leaves: it’s a bit of your life that’s gone forever. It’s something you can't return to, ever again. All the time it’s been on, you’ve almost taken it for granted that it’s there, sometimes in the background, and you mightn’t visit it sometimes for a good long while, but it is still there.
When Superstar closed at the Palace in 1980 I felt like I’d lost a limb. I’d seen it so many times during my impressionable teenage years... And it wasn’t just the show, it was the actual theatre looking as it did, all kind of knocked about a bit inside, with that smell of dry ice that lingered long after each performance came down. An atmosphere. Sometimes I’d just go and stand outside it for a bit, hoping the Superstar ghosts would heal me... The fact that Oklahoma opened there afterwards hurt a bit too, as it was so, so different from the show I’d grown to love.
So when Les Mis took up its residency there after the Barbican run, I felt like I was returning home again (I’d been ‘home’ a fair few times in the interim- Song and Dance, On Your Toes, some others I’ve forgotten- but it wasn’t the same) and all was well for a good long while. And behind that barricade, Colm Wilkinson wasn’t singing for Michael Ball alone...
I was pleased when the Palace was given a spruce up. It looked like... well, a palace again, but it’s never been quite the same.
And then Les Mis left, and with it its heart, because something can’t play in a theatre for years and years without leaving something behind. I felt that sadness again.
But I’m pleased that the first West End theatre I ever visited looks like it’ll be standing for quite some time with Mr Potter’s fans guaranteeing to keep it afloat on its little island, although I won't be visiting it for a bit. I dare say there’ll be many a Harry Potter fan who will come to see the Palace Theatre as their own, with an association of a show that’s dear to their heart too.
Yes, we should welcome the new, of course we should, but we can’t help shedding a tear once the posters have been torn down, the lorry has been filled with bits of set, and the actors take their suitcases to another hall...
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Oh that was you, was it?!?! I always wondered what became of you... Christ, we must have all been really, really crap at music thinking your violin was a clarinet!
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