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Post by crowblack on May 2, 2018 23:05:03 GMT
I gave up after the first few episodes - things like a character being introduced with a close-up of her tits, and the use of real fur put me off - but a pestering sibling and increasingly good cast made me give it another go and I got into it. They seem to have responded to the concerns of female viewers and no longer garnish scenes with naked ladies, though sadly the fur's still there. quote author="@thematthew" source="/post/202016/thread" timestamp="1525290667"]when they try to convince you that you'll enjoy something because they enjoy it[/quote] But they just want you to share their joy in it. It's not a bad impulse and I wish more of my friends shared my enthusiasm for the plays, films, tv series and bands I like, but most don't. That's why I'm glad sites like this exist and wish they had been around when I was a teenager.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 7:42:18 GMT
I gave up after the first few episodes - things like a character being introduced with a close-up of her tits, and the use of real fur put me off - but a pestering sibling and increasingly good cast made me give it another go and I got into it. They seem to have responded to the concerns of female viewers and no longer garnish scenes with naked ladies, though sadly the fur's still there. Ah fair enough- honestly I didn't dislike it more was just bored by it...though honestly I'm VERY crap at getting through TV series in general so if I start again it'll probably be 2050 before I catch up haha! I don't mind so much people saying how good it is (or any tv show) like you say it's because they're interested in it and want to share that joy generally
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Post by viserys on May 3, 2018 8:05:56 GMT
I think a lot comes down to expectations. I've been involved in RPGs online for many years (don't judge) and more than one fellow player kept recommending GRRMs "Song of Ice and Fire" books to me, but I ignored it as I'm really not into fantasy. When the TV series Game of Thrones was announced, I thought "OMG, this is going to be more endless hype about some craptastic nonsense like Lord of the Rings" (so here's MY unpopular opinion: I can't stand Lord of the Rings). I also thought "okay, I'll watch 1-2 episodes, so I can tell people I tried and it wasn't for me" and started on GoT with sub-zero expectations, then found to my surprise that I was getting drawn into the stories and by season two was hooked. If I had had high expectations, maybe they had been disappointed.
I do agree that HBO has done themselves a great disserve by peppering the first seasons with way too much gratuitious nudity and I understand that many people couldn't move past that. It's shame because GoT is for me one of the very few shows that has always had a great range of really interesting and well-written female characters which is part of its attraction to me.
So many shows have suffered from TV execs thinking that gratuitious nudity is a selling point while it seems in fact to turn people off. Same with "Black Sails" - so much potential, so ruined by cheap sex scenes in the first season. I persevered and it got better with each season, the more it focused on plot and the less on the two obnoxious damsels. "Marco Polo" on Netflix had all the potential for being a fantastic historical drama but was also ruined by gratuitious nudity. "Versailles" only just managed as did "The Borgias" - both shows with great subjects and so much wasted potential because cheap nudity seemed to matter more than good plotting.
Sorry, rant over. I'm fine with people recommending stuff to me, which is how I discovered some lesser known gems like "The Wire" or way back "Firefly" but there's also a lot of very popular stuff whose attraction eludes me and where I gave up after a few episodes. The only thing that bugs is when people slam something without having seen it. A friend of mine nurses a huge hatred for Harry Potter and JK Rowling without having touched a single book. That's daft IMHO, at least give it a chance and see for yourself, then you can still dismiss it as not being your cup of tea.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 8:17:08 GMT
when they try to convince you that you'll enjoy something because they enjoy it But they just want you to share their joy in it. Try listening to someone telling you how wonderful Strictly Come Dancing is nearly every time you see them because they think that if they can just find the right words then you'll see the light and the only reason you don't like it is because they haven't been convincing enough, and they don't grasp the fact that talking about it for an hour isn't going to change the fact that the show is essentially "Let's take several things Matthew loathes and make years of television from it".
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Post by ellie1981 on May 3, 2018 8:21:03 GMT
I gave up after the first few episodes - things like a character being introduced with a close-up of her tits, and the use of real fur put me off - but a pestering sibling and increasingly good cast made me give it another go and I got into it. They seem to have responded to the concerns of female viewers and no longer garnish scenes with naked ladies, though sadly the fur's still there. Ah fair enough- honestly I didn't dislike it more was just bored by it...though honestly I'm VERY crap at getting through TV series in general so if I start again it'll probably be 2050 before I catch up haha! I don't mind so much people saying how good it is (or any tv show) like you say it's because they're interested in it and want to share that joy generally I’m generally just bitter because some of the shows I love have been long running series but I just can’t find anyone else who loves them, e.g. Psych; Jane The Virgin; The Good Wife; SNL; White Collar; Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. I can’t fathom how some gory show about sexy people whose names I can’t pronounce, fighting for a fictional throne and coming back to life, beats a damned good comedy or legal drama
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 8:32:15 GMT
Sorry, rant over. I'm fine with people recommending stuff to me, which is how I discovered some lesser known gems like "The Wire" or way back "Firefly" but there's also a lot of very popular stuff whose attraction eludes me and where I gave up after a few episodes. The only thing that bugs is when people slam something without having seen it. A friend of mine nurses a huge hatred for Harry Potter and JK Rowling without having touched a single book. That's daft IMHO, at least give it a chance and see for yourself, then you can still dismiss it as not being your cup of tea. Oooh I know one of them as well! And I agree- give it a go before hating it on principle! Weirdly, another unpopular opinion I LOATHED Firefly and only made it about 4 episodes in despite loving Wheadon's other work. That said, I keep meaning to give it another go just to see if it was just my mood that day/week that made me hate it all that time ago! As for GOT I do think I'd probably enjoy it if I got into it again....it's just now there's SO many episodes it seems a pretty insurmountable task.
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Post by Sam on May 3, 2018 8:33:19 GMT
Ah fair enough- honestly I didn't dislike it more was just bored by it...though honestly I'm VERY crap at getting through TV series in general so if I start again it'll probably be 2050 before I catch up haha! I don't mind so much people saying how good it is (or any tv show) like you say it's because they're interested in it and want to share that joy generally I’m generally just bitter because some of the shows I love have been long running series but I just can’t find anyone else who loves them, e.g. Psych; Jane The Virgin; The Good Wife; SNL; White Collar; Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. I can’t fathom how some gory show about sexy people whose names I can’t pronounce, fighting for a fictional throne and coming back to life, beats a damned good comedy or legal drama I'm listening to Crazy Ex-Girlfriend at work right now! That twist in the finale of JTV! Pych is on my to watch list, but not sure where it's available.
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Post by viserys on May 3, 2018 8:50:47 GMT
Weirdly, another unpopular opinion I LOATHED Firefly and only made it about 4 episodes in despite loving Wheadon's other work. That said, I keep meaning to give it another go just to see if it was just my mood that day/week that made me hate it all that time ago! As for GOT I do think I'd probably enjoy it if I got into it again....it's just now there's SO many episodes it seems a pretty insurmountable task. *gaaasp* what, loathing Firefly? We need to remedy that! I guess sometimes something just rubs us the wrong way when starting a show. Personally I'm not only very anti-nudity, I also have a particular loathing for shows that show women as just orbiting around men all the time or a particularly kooky kind of pseudo-cute girlie (see Zooey Deschanel in New Girl) Someone here mentioned "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" - I hated it intensely when I watched the first 2-3 episodes, although a part of me KNEW that it was never meant to show the lead girl as someone sane or put-together and I'm sure it got better down the line, but personally I just couldn't move past it. Maybe I should try again, but like Emi says, there's just soooo much to see all the time and I can understand that starting into something like GoT late on sounds daunting. ellie1981 - you found me. I LOVE Jane the Virgin at least, it's so delightfully over the top!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 9:40:34 GMT
I loved Firefly, it felt VERY tailor-made for me, but I can't watch it anymore because it sucks knowing that the actor who plays your favourite character is 100% pure undiluted asshole. (Also Whedon himself is more than a li'l dubious but at least I don't have to look at his face while constantly feeling disappointed.)
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Post by Mr Snow on May 3, 2018 13:27:21 GMT
Mike Leigh’s films are patronising and boring.
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Post by squidward on May 4, 2018 0:03:27 GMT
Jamael Weston ( currently playing Alexander Hamilton with all the charisma of a plank of balsa wood) being nominated for ‘Best Actor in a Musical’ just goes to show what a load of tosh those awards are. They made it even more ridiculous by putting him against the wonderful Giles Terra ( currently playing Burr) who blows Weston off the stage every night and has a wealth of other outstanding performances on his resume.
As for Michael Jibson winning Best Supporting Actor in a musical for his minuscule contribution to the show. Unfathomable and a really daft snub to some of the other excellent cast members like Cleve September, playing double roles and knocking them out of the park. Who makes these daft decisions? It just renders the whole exercise as totally random and irelevant exercise.
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Post by mistressjojo on May 4, 2018 4:06:30 GMT
I realise I'll probably be sent to the naughty step for this, but I'm really not a fan of Harry Potter. I tried to read the first book, and lost interest about 20 pages in. I applaud the fact that it got children to read a book, but I just thought it wasn't terribly well written.
The films are a bit more interesting, but to be honest I've only watched Goblet of Fire all the way through. And that was only for David Tennant's bits.
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Post by Jane Parfitt on May 4, 2018 5:19:17 GMT
I realise I'll probably be sent to the naughty step for this, but I'm really not a fan of Harry Potter. I tried to read the first book, and lost interest about 20 pages in. I applaud the fact that it got children to read a book, but I just thought it wasn't terribly well written. The films are a bit more interesting, but to be honest I've only watched Goblet of Fire all the way through. And that was only for David Tennant's bits. Bits?! 😀 #rude
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 7:04:12 GMT
As for Michael Jibson winning Best Supporting Actor in a musical for his minuscule contribution to the show. Unfathomable and a really daft snub to some of the other excellent cast members like Cleve September, playing double roles and knocking them out of the park. Who makes these daft decisions? It just renders the whole exercise as totally random and irelevant exercise. I'm not opposed to an actor winning an award for a comparatively small featured role as long as their performance is great (I don't even want to imagine trying to impose some sort of minimum role length requirement, especially in the supporting categories), but I firmly believe the role of King George has been written in such a way that *any* halfway competent actor could delight the audience with it. Getting an award for pleasing the crowd in such an obviously crowd-pleasing role... they may as well have awarded him for putting his socks on, or breathing in *and* out, or just showing up to work every day.
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Post by learfan on May 4, 2018 7:11:21 GMT
I realise I'll probably be sent to the naughty step for this, but I'm really not a fan of Harry Potter. I tried to read the first book, and lost interest about 20 pages in. I applaud the fact that it got children to read a book, but I just thought it wasn't terribly well written. The films are a bit more interesting, but to be honest I've only watched Goblet of Fire all the way through. And that was only for David Tennant's bits. Snap! So glad im not alone.
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Post by d'James on May 4, 2018 8:49:59 GMT
I realise I'll probably be sent to the naughty step for this, but I'm really not a fan of Harry Potter. I tried to read the first book, and lost interest about 20 pages in. I applaud the fact that it got children to read a book, but I just thought it wasn't terribly well written. The films are a bit more interesting, but to be honest I've only watched Goblet of Fire all the way through. And that was only for David Tennant's bits. I agree about Harry Potter. I forced myself to start it about three times. Glad I did because the plots are great, but like Game of Thrones, aren’t particularly well written. Also J.K. Rowling needed a better editor in the later books. Your post leads on to one of my unpopular opinions. I can’t stand David Tennant.
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Post by kathryn on May 4, 2018 9:25:11 GMT
I realise I'll probably be sent to the naughty step for this, but I'm really not a fan of Harry Potter. I tried to read the first book, and lost interest about 20 pages in. I applaud the fact that it got children to read a book, but I just thought it wasn't terribly well written. The films are a bit more interesting, but to be honest I've only watched Goblet of Fire all the way through. And that was only for David Tennant's bits. Also J.K. Rowling needed a better editor in the later books. Or in the case of Order of the Pheonix, an Editor, period. I was told by someone in the know that the book didn't get an editorial cycle at all - just light copyediting - because she delivered the manuscript so late that they didn't have time for it before the pre-set, hugely hyped and expensively-marketed release date. When it then became a huge bestseller it then proved that kids will read anything, no matter how chunky the page count and clunky the writing. This proved a huge boon to authors of children's books who were struggling with very restrictive page counts because of publishers thinking chunky books put kids off, but not so great for editorial quality.
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Post by d'James on May 4, 2018 9:27:00 GMT
Also J.K. Rowling needed a better editor in the later books. Or in the case of Order of the Pheonix, an Editor, period. I was told by someone in the know that the book didn't get an editorial cycle at all - just light copyediting - because she delivered the manuscript so late that they didn't have time for it before the pre-set, hugely hyped and expensively-marketed release date. When it then became a huge bestseller it then proved that kids will read anything, no matter how chunky the page count and clunky the writing. This proved a huge boon to authors of children's books who were struggling with very restrictive page counts because of publishers thinking chunky books put kids off, but not so great for editorial quality. That’s really interesting, I didn’t know that.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 10:01:01 GMT
I realise I'll probably be sent to the naughty step for this, but I'm really not a fan of Harry Potter. I thoroughly enjoyed the books. Once. Having read them I felt no desire to ever go back for a second look and eventually gave the whole set to a charity shop.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 16:19:43 GMT
I love the Harry Potter universe. However I must confess I never finished the last book. Whatched all the movies though (and saw the play).
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Post by Dawnstar on May 4, 2018 18:37:07 GMT
I realise I'll probably be sent to the naughty step for this, but I'm really not a fan of Harry Potter. I thoroughly enjoyed the books. Once. Having read them I felt no desire to ever go back for a second look and eventually gave the whole set to a charity shop. I did the same. One read was enough. With the films, I watched the first two then gave up so I did at least get to the end of the series with the books. I thought the end of the last book, where it jumps forward a couple of decades, read like not very good fan fiction.
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Post by basi1faw1ty on May 4, 2018 18:43:31 GMT
I realise I'll probably be sent to the naughty step for this, but I'm really not a fan of Harry Potter. You and me both. *settles down next to you on the naughty step*
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 21:56:20 GMT
David Walliams’ gay act is becoming rather boring. I just wish he and “Simon” would give it a go and stop making such a fuss about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 9:49:17 GMT
Putting this here rather than on the Hamilton thread....
I think LMM sounds like Kermit the Frog when he sings.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 6, 2018 10:07:24 GMT
I don’t like barbecues. I think they’re naff. 🙂
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