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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 11, 2016 21:05:51 GMT
Cats is the most pointless thing I have ever seen on a stage. I just don't get it and how it is still going, despite being so dated. Sorry Cats fans. A pussy allergy? I'm sure I've seen a cream for that.
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Post by haz23 on Jun 11, 2016 21:11:45 GMT
- Stephen Sondheim is the greatest composer of all time and ALW's music is so dull and uninspiring. - RENT is over-rated. - I hated Alfie Boe in Les Mis. - Lend Me a Tenor should never have closed in the West End.
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Post by stanne on Jun 11, 2016 21:45:21 GMT
- Stephen Sondheim is the greatest composer of all time and ALW's music is so dull and uninspiring. - RENT is over-rated. - I hated Alfie Boe in Les Mis. - Lend Me a Tenor should never have closed in the West End. Agree about Alfie Boe! Terrible casting.
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Post by missbabs on Jun 11, 2016 21:56:27 GMT
Not strictly theatre (except for all the theatrics!) but I can't stand the last night of the Proms. I've always said that Last Night of the Proms would go into my Room 101! The bobbing up and down, grown men holding teddy bears, Union Jack hats- it's just horrible.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 11, 2016 22:33:35 GMT
- Stephen Sondheim is the greatest composer of all time and ALW's music is so dull and uninspiring. - RENT is over-rated. - I hated Alfie Boe in Les Mis. - Lend Me a Tenor should never have closed in the West End. I agree about Lend Me A Tenor. I loved that show. Sadly not many other people did.
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Post by Flim Flam on Jun 11, 2016 22:33:57 GMT
Well, horses for courses and all that. I went to the Last Night of the Proms a couple of years ago. Did the whole thing. Promming, jumping up and down, party poppers, singing ALS etc. Total 'bucket list' experience. Had a fabulous time. Glorious to look up from the standing area into that huge auditorium erupting with cheers, flags, bunting etc.
However, I must admit the seasoned prommers I met (whilst being perfectly friendly and welcoming) were among some of the most deeply eccentric people I have ever met! And believe me, I have met some strange people in my life....
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Post by Michael on Jun 12, 2016 1:20:55 GMT
Les Mis and Phantom are severely over rated, with both shows being saved by a maximum of 4 or 5 songs. Phantom loses steam after the first 30 minutes and Les Mis needs a happy pill. I wouldn't shed a single tear if either (or both) closed for good. It really baffles me why Les Mis is still so popular, especially amongst young audiences. I quite liked Viva Forever. Far from amazing, but I enjoyed it for what it was. As I did X Factor The Musical. Haven't seen Viva Forever, but I thoroughly enjoyed I Can't Sing for what it was. Yes, it had its flaws, but IMO, it deserved a much longer run.
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Post by Michael on Jun 12, 2016 1:35:26 GMT
Here we go: I think the world would be a much better place if Sondheim had never written Musicals. Noooooooooo! Michael, we can never be friends. I'm sad now. In general, I can understand people appreciating things I don't (after all, the world would be boring if we all liked the same things). But it is completely beyond my understanding how anyone can enjoy Sondheim. And it's reciprocity, foxa, I could never be friends with someone who doesn't dislike Sondheim. Here we go: I think the world would be a much better place if Sondheim had never written Musicals. BLASPHEMY!! TBH Sondheim isn't for everyone but his contribution to musicals cannot be discredited, he wrote the lyrics for Gypsy and West Side Story, both classics. Sondheim is the reason why I avoided Gypsy - despite the rave reviews it got everywhere. If it's Sondheim, I ain't going - even if it's just his "lyrics". Even if someone had offered me money, I wouldn't have gone. At least not until the sum is big enough - that money would then be damages for pain and suffering. I love A Little Night Music but apart from the odd song could survive without the rest of Sondheim's output & I certainly wish to goodness Sweeney Todd had never been written. I find that Sondheim fans' attitude of "my compser is superior to all others" is remarkably similar to Wagner fans' attitude in the opera world. Both sets of fans tend to be much more male dominated than your average opera/musical audience. I tried. I really tried. I even bought two cast recordings (I think it was Sweeney Todd and Into the Woods). After a few "songs", my ears were bleeding. Horrible. *shudder* How can anyone listen to that voluntarily?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 9:08:25 GMT
Not strictly theatre (except for all the theatrics!) but I can't stand the last night of the Proms. I can't bare the sight of pretentious men bobbing up and down to the finale. Make me angry every year. Apart from that, I enjoy the last night.
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Post by Steffi on Jun 12, 2016 9:12:46 GMT
I loved Never Forget - The Take That Musical. Saw it several times and always had a great evening.
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Post by anita on Jun 12, 2016 9:31:06 GMT
Loved "Notre Dame De Paris". Hate "Into the Heights" so absolutely no interest in "Hamilton".
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Post by missbabs on Jun 12, 2016 10:07:35 GMT
I am a Sondheim fan but I really dislike 'Into the Woods'- I find it dull and repetitive and the whole structure of it incredibly frustrating!
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Post by viserys on Jun 12, 2016 10:26:23 GMT
Sondheim is hit and miss for me. I do appreciate his clever lyrics in some shows, but sometimes he gets too pretentious for his own good. As for Into The Woods, the first act is good enough but the second drags on forever. Though the only show of his I genuinely loathed was Company simply because its message - you can't be single, you MUST find a woman, only coupledom brings happiness - feels incredibly dated. In fact, I feel it was already dated in the 70s when the show was first conceived but today it's simply unbearable.
Other unpopular opinions? I've voiced mine before - I can't stand the racist sexist nonsense that is Miss Saigon and while I wouldn't go as far as to say I couldn't be friends with anyone who likes the show, I do admittedly struggle to accept people's uncritical love for it.
Also: I love the French "spectacles" for what they are - a completely different and often somewhat baffling form of musical theatre with nonetheless great songs, amazing choreography and often fabulous sets. Robin des Bois blew me away and I can't wait for the Notre Dame de Paris-Revival in Paris this autumn.
Anita: I didn't like "In the Heights" either and found it rather insipid and bland, but Hamilton is a wholly different kettle of fish.
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Post by d'James on Jun 12, 2016 12:12:58 GMT
I really disliked Hairspray.
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Post by Mr Crummles on Jun 12, 2016 12:17:16 GMT
What makes Stephen Sondheim so very special to me is that his musicals are basically theatre. It seems to me that many musicals are more opera-rooted than actually dramatic. Operas tend to touch emotion via music and singing: beautiful voices, and grandiloquent songs. Theatre does it through words, words that capture human dilemma, and that's how its dramatic tension comes about.
Even in a supposedly fairy tale setting, like Into the Woods, Sondheim’s songs explore the duality and darkness of the human soul: it's a story about desire, wishes, and ambitions, and how we sell ourselves and put our beliefs aside to reach them, and how we cope with our failings when we realise we have been less than we feel we ought to have been. And how we have regrets, and make up excuses for ourselves. It's all very human, and Sondheim express all that with uncommon verbal dexterity and, in my view, great musical pathos.
His songs powerfully emphasise the drama at play, the inventive lyrics meaningfully reveal much about the characters' motivations and internal working. Personally, I find the music glorious (I'm Still Here, Losing My Mind, Being Alive, Good Thing Going). What really amazes me, though, it’s the absolutely exquisite amalgamation of music and lyrics. How these two elements wonderful feed and help each other to create the perfect songs that so admirably and perfectly serve the narrative. Take a song about the anger and spitefulness resulting from years of an unhappy relationship, like Could I Leave You in “Follies”, and feel how the psychologically perceptive lyrics suit the music, and beautifully bitter music suit the lyrics, and how both wonderfully suit the story being told, explaining its acerbic characters and the actions they take.
In my view, if there is one body of work created in the 20th/21st century that I am sure will be considered a classic in the future, it is Sondheim’s artistic output.
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Post by greeny11 on Jun 12, 2016 12:17:31 GMT
I've listened to the Hamilton cast album and absolutely hated the score. I liked maybe 2 songs overall, and have absolutely no interest in seeing it when it comes to London next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 13:25:39 GMT
I'm with anita on Into the Heights. I do not want to hear anything more about Hamilton. (Apologies, Hamilton Addict!) I loathed Pacific Overtures at ENO years ago. I do not want to hear of one more production of Sweeney Todd or Into the Woods for some time yet. (Apologies, Stephen Sondheim.) I agree that Les Mis and Phantom should close for a bit. Come back in a couple of years time and we'll throw a party... (I can't remember which Mod Michael said that, the The one or the other one...) Harry Potter, piss off to Warner Bros studios and don't take up space in a Lovely West End Theatre. (I LOVE your avatar missbabs. I tried to have one of our Vicky but the file was TOO BIG! )
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 14:14:53 GMT
My opinion that is apparently unpopular: I don't mind when a theatre is occupied by a show I don't want to see. My time and my money are finite, I appreciate the respite that comes from there being a show I have no interest in, and I don't think the entire West End has to be all about my tastes, I think there's plenty of room for shows that appeal to others even if I just don't see it myself. Which I didn't think would be an unpopular opinion, but going by this thread so far it does appear to be...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 14:27:12 GMT
My opinion that is apparently unpopular: I don't mind when a theatre is occupied by a show I don't want to see. My time and my money are finite, I appreciate the respite that comes from there being a show I have no interest in, and I don't think the entire West End has to be all about my tastes, I think there's plenty of room for shows that appeal to others even if I just don't see it myself. Which I didn't think would be an unpopular opinion, but going by this thread so far it does appear to be... I'm with you on this. When our local theatre release their new season programme, there is always a slight relief when there isn't much I want to see.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 12, 2016 14:37:48 GMT
Judi Dench isn't all that. Angela Lansbury can't sing.
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Post by mistressjojo on Jun 12, 2016 14:38:44 GMT
My unpopular opinion - I really didn't like Kevin Spacey's Richard III.
(But then remembering the number of people who walked out the night I went, maybe I'm not alone)
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Post by missbabs on Jun 12, 2016 14:40:10 GMT
I'm with anita on Into the Heights. I do not want to hear anything more about Hamilton. (Apologies, Hamilton Addict!) I loathed Pacific Overtures at ENO years ago. I do not want to hear of one more production of Sweeney Todd or Into the Woods for some time yet. (Apologies, Stephen Sondheim.) I agree that Les Mis and Phantom should close for a bit. Come back in a couple of years time and we'll throw a party... (I can't remember which Mod Michael said that, the The one or the other one...) Harry Potter, piss off to Warner Bros studios and don't take up space in a Lovely West End Theatre. (I LOVE your avatar missbabs. I tried to have one of our Vicky but the file was TOO BIG! ) Thanks, caiaphas! Thought my profile name/avatar could be my little memorial to VW.
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Post by lynette on Jun 12, 2016 15:25:56 GMT
I thought the James plays were terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 15:46:15 GMT
Disney shows. Only one should be allowed in the West End at any one time. And there should be scheduled kids free shows. (That's not where kids come free, like in some "restaurants", but where there are NO KIDS AT ALL ALLOWED in the audience.)
Wicked. No. (Stephen Schwartz, you have some wonderful pieces of work to your credit; please come up with something else soon to replace this overrated and overdressed pile of tosh.)
Anything with a puppet (the kind someone operates with a hand up its arse) should not be classed as "theatre"; it should be relegated to seaside towns. Not theatres at the end of piers, because they are still used by comedians and the Krankies. Those little striped tents on the beaches.
Stomp. Go away. You have had your fun so now go and bang dustbin lids in the open, like other like-minded folk, and let people watch you for free. (Or a couple of coppers chucked into an old guitar case.)
Kinky Boots. Good film, crap show.
(God, this thread is VERY good for getting rid of all that built up tension...)
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Post by horton on Jun 12, 2016 17:04:58 GMT
viserys I love Starmania and Le Petit Prince- do they count? Caiaphas I loved that ENO Pacific Overtures. Hated Michael Ball as Sweeney though.
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