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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 26, 2016 13:57:37 GMT
I'm not interested in Lazarus.
In fact I think everything DB did after 1983 was pants.
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 14:33:36 GMT
I'm not interested in Lazarus. In fact I think everything DB did after 1983 was pants. Thank you. Even the camperama of 'Dancing In The Street'? His finest moment for me. Other than 'The Laughing Gnome'.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 26, 2016 14:50:31 GMT
I guess that makes sense, Baemax. As someone who's been (happily) single for a very long time, I find that I'm constantly and even today struggling with being judged for that. Why don't you have a boyfriend? Why don't you go on dates? How can you exist? And so on. And Musical Theatre is generally a rather sappy romantic genre with many love stories - which I am okay with. When it's a well-done love story I happily cheer for the couple on stage. But when I watched the Company concert, I just felt like being judged all over again and that my life choice is a questionable and even "wrong" one and sometimes it just gets too much. I suppose it's what I like about A Little Night Music, where Sondheim shows a much more cynical and in my view more honest/realistic picture of relationships. Oh well, maybe some day they WILL do a Company where Bobby remains true to himself and sings the original version. Agreed We need a bitter sweet ending Company is now quite dated. How many mid 30 friends do you know who are married? Can the M word be removed from the text and the word relationship used instead
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 26, 2016 15:06:55 GMT
I'm not interested in Lazarus. In fact I think everything DB did after 1983 was pants. Thank you. Even the camperama of 'Dancing In The Street'? His finest moment for me. Other than 'The Laughing Gnome'. One of the worst covers ever. And that video.....dreadful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 15:43:21 GMT
Company is now quite dated. How many mid 30 friends do you know who are married? Can the M word be removed from the text and the word relationship used instead All the productions I've seen have been set in the original period, so it's no more dated than anything else from the past.
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Post by infofreako on Jul 26, 2016 15:47:00 GMT
I'm not interested in Lazarus. In fact I think everything DB did after 1983 was pants. Thank you. Im refusing to go unless its centred on a reenactment of the dance magic dance scene from labyrinth
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 16:00:41 GMT
David Bowie was exceptional and extraordinary in his perpetual reinventions.
So it's hardly surprising that many people couldn't keep up with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 23:08:13 GMT
Sometimes people just don't like a thing. It's not that they don't understand it or they don't get it, they just don't like it. That's entirely possible and entirely valid.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 27, 2016 15:50:48 GMT
Sometimes people just don't like a thing. It's not that they don't understand it or they don't get it, they just don't like it. That's entirely possible and entirely valid. And sometimes artists have a period of brilliance, after which they go "off the boil" and spend the rest of the career being, well, less brilliant. But the hardcore fans are the hardest to persuade that this has happened. It's a bit sad really, up here in Manchester people are finally starting to see through Morrissey's smokescreen. Up until a couple of years ago you'd get lynched for saying a bad word about him. Now he's widelu considered to be a bit of an arse.
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Jul 27, 2016 20:54:59 GMT
Sometimes people just don't like a thing. It's not that they don't understand it or they don't get it, they just don't like it. That's entirely possible and entirely valid. Thank you Baemax! When I tell people I don't like Fun Home they just become really patronising and say I'm too young to understand why it's so clever. Really wish more people could just agree to disagree.
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Post by andrew on Jul 27, 2016 23:22:16 GMT
Some really fascinating responses above. I started listening to Sondheim when I was around 15, Sweeney Todd was one of the first musicals I was ever exposed to. I don't know exactly what it was I clung onto at that age but several years on he still stands out as the most intelligent creator of musical theatre of his generation. His lyric books and interviews are utterly fascinating in the ways he thinks about music, musicals and how to make a play.
What's always been clear to me though from the likes of A Little Night Music for example is when you're not into it, when you're not engaging with the plot or the characters or the musical style adopted, his stuff can be just awful. I hate that show. I don't understand how anyone who could ever like it.
But some do.
So when people say they don't like Sweeney, or Sunday, or Company, or Into The Woods, I can't blame them. His work isn't designed to be likeable I don't think. I just happen to really engage with a lot of his productions, in a way that's a lot more enduring than when I engage with (for example) Les Miserables. At the most extreme end for me personally, there are chunks of Sunday in the Park with George that speak to my soul, they've informed me as a person, they mean something really true and raw to me - no other piece of theatre has ever done that. But obviously that's really specific to me, of where I was at in life when I saw it, the way it was done, and what sort of music I like.
So I've got no qualms with anyone saying they hate Sondheim, but for me I think he'll always be my favourite composer.
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Post by junet on Jul 28, 2016 1:15:25 GMT
I really didn't like A Little Night Music when I saw it at the Menier. Whenever I hear A Weekend in the Country I want to put my fingers in my ears, it just seems so manic to me.
On the other hand I love Merrily we Roll Along.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 8:29:33 GMT
Andrew puts it really well-I think for Sondheim (and others) there's always an element that does or doesn't 'click' and you could be the biggest fan of one work sometimes but be really indifferent or hate others. Or the whole body of work doesn't click either.
I also agree that it's not always an age thing. I respect a 19 year old's opinion as much as a 60 year olds if they can say 'I don't like x because of y' (with y simply being 'It just doesn't work) but I think it's also important to say opinions can change over time-and that goes if you're 40 or 14. But your opinion at any one time is also valid!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 29, 2016 13:08:18 GMT
Feedback from folks who have seen the show recently would suggest that both Natasha and Sheridan "cry" (or appear to) at the curtain call of Funny Girl.
Is this necessary? I mean, they've both performed the show often enough by now to know that their audiences like them. The applause is not coming as a surprise. So is it fake? Or are they just being very actressy? Do any other leading ladies currently in shows in the WE find it necessary to blub at the end of every show?
I think it's fake, or at least that they could hold it back if they wanted to. At least try, ladies.
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Post by d'James on Jul 29, 2016 16:54:54 GMT
Feedback from folks who have seen the show recently would suggest that both Natasha and Sheridan "cry" (or appear to) at the curtain call of Funny Girl. Is this necessary? I mean, they've both performed the show often enough by now to know that their audiences like them. The applause is not coming as a surprise. So is it fake? Or are they just being very actressy? Do any other leading ladies currently in shows in the WE find it necessary to blub at the end of every show? I think it's fake, or at least that they could hold it back if they wanted to. At least try, ladies. I did wonder this. Did Sheridan do it any of her other shows?
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Post by profquatermass on Jul 29, 2016 17:42:32 GMT
Company is now quite dated. How many mid 30 friends do you know who are married? Can the M word be removed from the text and the word relationship used instead All the productions I've seen have been set in the original period, so it's no more dated than anything else from the past. The Southwark Playhouse one from about 4 years ago was set in the present which made a scene where they smoke in a club distinctly odd. Incidently there's a gender swap production in Edinburgh this year (I wonder if they've got permission?)
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Post by DuchessConstance on Jul 29, 2016 19:16:16 GMT
It's not necessarily fake, performing in a show can be an intensely emotional experience. I've often cried at my curtain calls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 20:10:35 GMT
Yes it seems they both cry at every curtain call. I do think it's strange. Once in a while is fine, but I'm sure you get used to it after a few weeks. I don't think I've ever seen an actor cry like that except at opening nights/closing nights/when they're leaving. Strange that it's both of them in the same show as well. Maybe they are being told to play it up a bit.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 29, 2016 20:41:02 GMT
I definitely think think it's become part of the "show". And it demeans the show. For gods sake you are actors, you performed, people liked it, smile, bow, curtsey, no sobbing necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 5:34:51 GMT
On the contrary, I think everyone should cry at work. If I buy something at a shop or get off a bus and say "thank you" to the driver I want to see tears, dammit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 12:38:20 GMT
I cry when I have to go into work...
Sheridan didn't cry/appear to cry at the Chocolate Factory when I saw it, so perhaps this is a more reccent occurance? and while things like openings/closings/leaving nights (other people's as well as your own) can be emotional, I'm pretty sure and average Tuesday isn't so much.
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Post by junet on Jul 30, 2016 13:40:54 GMT
I think some people cry very easily . I do seem to remember Sheridan crying whilst singing one song when she was in Little Shop of Horrors.
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Post by shady23 on Jul 30, 2016 19:06:45 GMT
Darius is definately letting the side down in the crying stakes!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 20:21:51 GMT
Crying when singing a song is surely acting though.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 30, 2016 21:48:54 GMT
Crying when singing a song is surely acting though. Depends if it's a dodgy tune or lyrics
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