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Post by Tibidabo on Feb 4, 2017 12:02:44 GMT
Don't start me off on the exam syllabus. Just to throw in, I think that they start studying Shakespeare far too late. It is on the Key Stage 2 curriculum. I teach Shakespeare to Year 5/6 children (aged 9-11) and they absolutely love it. Last year on World Book Day I dressed up as Burnham Woods...........caused great hilarity when I got stuck in the stationery cupboard due to my branches getting wedged between the slats in the shelving! (The caretaker wasn't laughing so much as I left a bit of a leafy-twiggy trail in my wake!)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 13:34:16 GMT
Just to throw in, I think that they start studying Shakespeare far too late. It is on the Key Stage 2 curriculum. I teach Shakespeare to Year 5/6 children (aged 9-11) and they absolutely love it. Last year on World Book Day I dressed up as Burnham Woods...........caused great hilarity when I got stuck in the stationery cupboard due to my branches getting wedged between the slats in the shelving! (The caretaker wasn't laughing so much as I left a bit of a leafy-twiggy trail in my wake!) Sorry to be picky, but it's Great Birnam Wood...
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Post by Tibidabo on Feb 4, 2017 13:43:33 GMT
It is on the Key Stage 2 curriculum. I teach Shakespeare to Year 5/6 children (aged 9-11) and they absolutely love it. Last year on World Book Day I dressed up as Burnham Woods...........caused great hilarity when I got stuck in the stationery cupboard due to my branches getting wedged between the slats in the shelving! (The caretaker wasn't laughing so much as I left a bit of a leafy-twiggy trail in my wake!) Sorry to be picky, but it's Great Birnam Wood... Pick away. I was just seeing who was paying attention............
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 14:08:39 GMT
Sorry to be picky, but it's Great Birnam Wood... Pick away. I was just seeing who was paying attention............ Always, miss!
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Post by kathryn on Feb 4, 2017 14:42:51 GMT
Sorry to be picky, but it's Great Birnam Wood... Pick away. I was just seeing who was paying attention............ Now that is a teacher response if ever I saw one! 😂
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Post by viserys on Feb 4, 2017 15:38:32 GMT
To add my two cents of Shakespeare: He was (is?) required when you do Advanced English (as a foreign language) here in Germany. Apparently teachers can choose what to pick. So what did our blockheaded teacher pick to appeal to 17-18 year old teenagers? KING LEAR. "Because it happened to be on at the local theatre that year and we could go and see it" - needless to say that we were bored rigid because Lear was utterly alien to us at that age. Turned me off Shakespeare for years. The production was typical German cr*p, too. All I remember was Cordelia leaving the court in tight jeans, carrying a Samsonite case. Enough said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 15:50:11 GMT
I was once taken from school to see a production of Hamlet (in Harlow) where all the men wore M&S slippers. Consequently, we spent the whole evening nudging each other and squawking with laughter at each new pair. I wouldn't mind but we had been studying The Merchant Of Venice that year...
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Post by Tibidabo on Feb 4, 2017 15:57:18 GMT
Oh don't even start me on modern dress and Shakespeare! Just wrong, wrong, wrong. *checks spelling 6 times before posting* Sod it. It's Saturday
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 16:02:46 GMT
Miss just swore!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 16:18:57 GMT
Oh don't even start me on modern dress and Shakespeare! Just wrong, wrong, wrong. I trust that you've been prohibited from teaching Drama.
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Post by lynette on Feb 4, 2017 16:27:58 GMT
Don't start me off on the exam syllabus. Ok, I've started. So they have this thing that it has to be English lit as in written by a card carrying 'English' person. So out goes Of Mice and Men to be replaced by Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Robert Louis Stevenson was Scottish. I know! Bonkers, eh?
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Post by lynette on Feb 4, 2017 16:33:44 GMT
Viserys, were you on the Board when I mentioned the German Macbeth I saw with Macbeth practising stabbing on two rubber chickens? Which brings me neatly to Mr Hare who is complaining in the Times about productions of Shakespeare and other British classics being perverted by nasty foreigners.....
I'm just leaving this out there and backing off.
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Post by Tibidabo on Feb 4, 2017 16:38:02 GMT
Oh don't even start me on modern dress and Shakespeare! Just wrong, wrong, wrong. I trust that you've been prohibited from teaching Drama. Unless the kids turn up in doublet and hose I refuse to teach them anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 16:38:44 GMT
I totally agree. I'd be willing to bet that if I saw a fresh, stripped down and built back up again production I'd would really enjoy it. I think honestly the original is getting lost in the endless mimicing of the original which obviously did have that special spark originally. You might have enjoyed the Sherman production back in 1985 (or possibly 1986) with Di Botcher as the mother. Oh I remember seeing photos of that when they created a 'Memory Corridor' (or something) at the re-opening. Alas I was too young, I'd have been one of the kids we all complain about on here at that time And we never studied An Inspector Calls, my (posh, privately educated) cousin I remember mocking me for not having read it (at 16!) as clear fault of my 'rubbish' school. I mean my school was rubbish but I don't think a lack of Inspectors calling in drama was the issue...
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Post by viserys on Feb 4, 2017 17:20:47 GMT
Viserys, were you on the Board when I mentioned the German Macbeth I saw with Macbeth practising stabbing on two rubber chickens? Which brings me neatly to Mr Hare who is complaining in the Times about productions of Shakespeare and other British classics being perverted by nasty foreigners..... I'm just leaving this out there and backing off. Haha, I don't remember that but it doesn't surprise me one bit. I don't necessarily need to see Shakespeare done in 16th century period dress or a medieval drama like Hamlet or Macbeth with knights in shining armour, but the problem in Germany is, you don't get a chance at all to see a NICE production because the Regietheater nonsense is everywhere and directors are the Gods, who can mess around with scripts however they like (shorten them or even change them) and generally try to come up with new weird ways of staging. If it involves nudity, gratuitous violence or someone urinating on stage, the better (for them, not the audience). In Britain I feel that a "newcomer" (and I still consider myself a newcomer to drama) can see a normal/boring/period costume version of any given Shakespeare when he wants to and after two boring straight period Hamlets may actually be keen on seeing an unconvential "concept" staging. So I can see both sides of Mr Hare's arguments. I think directors (no matter what nationality) should be free to come up with new concepts if they want to, but it should be balanced. If you want to see a Macbeth in biker's leathers, wielding a chainsaw, so be it. But you should ALSO be able to see a traditional Macbeth with blokes in kilts, furs and armor. In Germany we haven't had that choice for many years and theatre has become something incredibly elitist and "niche". Ironically theatres couldn't do with millions of Euro in funding every year and are still struggling to make ends meet, closing one branch (usually dance is the first to suffer) or doing co-productions but the one thing they don't seem capable to do is to stage PRETTY productions with a mass appeal to draw the alienated audience back in. I stopped seeing drama in Germany MANY years ago (after that dire Lear I think I tried twice more, one a "Death of a Salesman" shortened beyond recognition and a German adaptation of a book that was dull beyond belief. When I started my London travels it was 100% musicals initially, but now it's about 60-40% musicals and drama. I can get my opera fix in Belgium at least, which is lucky as I can't stuff my London trips further. London has given me a completely new appreciation of drama, whether it's fresh new plays with something to say on today's world or DECENT stagings of classics. And after two fairly "normal" Hamlets I would now also be ready to see a bizarro "concept" Hamlet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 20:44:55 GMT
Oh don't even start me on modern dress and Shakespeare! Just wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't see why people don't like modern Shakespeare It makes it more relevant for today and does not isolate the audience. We can not keep doing Shakespeare's plays traditionally in traditional outfits as it would just get boring. This is also why I was annoyed why people did not like Emma rice she globe season as I know when people go to the globe they expect a tradition show but differnt is good and I know I would probably not see any Shakespeare's shows if they were done traditionally.
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Post by Tibidabo on Feb 4, 2017 22:26:03 GMT
Oh don't even start me on modern dress and Shakespeare! Just wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't see why people don't like modern Shakespeare Well, I don't because when people are wearing jeans and Timberlands they should be saying "Cor blimey, she's a bit of alright!" not "Forsooth! Whither fair maiden cometh wantonly yonder my liege?" (And yes, I made that gobbledegook up in jest, just in case anyone should think to correct my Shakey lingo!) It's the language for me. It jars. If you are going to use modern dress then I think the language should match.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:56:57 GMT
If a production is well directed and the actors know what they're saying and doing, the language shouldn't jar whether they're in doublet and hose, trackie bottoms, or lamé spacesuits.
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Post by lynette on Feb 5, 2017 18:42:20 GMT
You are right B except when they talk swords and are wearing chinos. You have to change the text then and then well..unless done v carefully it grates. Having said that imo the Hytner production of Othello at the NT with Rory Kinnear was one of the best Shakespeare's I've ever seen. And the Patrick Stewart Macbeth also,v good. Both modern.
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Post by Mira on Feb 5, 2017 23:16:43 GMT
... because the Regietheater nonsense is everywhere and directors are the Gods, who can mess around with scripts however they like (shorten them or even change them) and generally try to come up with new weird ways of staging. I stopped seeing drama in Germany MANY years ago So you stopped seeing drama in Germany many years ago? So how can you tell that Regietheater is everywhere? There are some excellent drama productions incl Shakespeare around, at least in the North where I live, e.g. a fantastic Richard III production at the Thalia Theater in Hamburg this season. Not at all theatres you get Regietheater productions.
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 5, 2017 23:28:06 GMT
Basically, I'm saying that kids didn't sit alone in front of a TV but were socialised into the surroundings and did attend live performance. That was the point, I think. Just to add one more point to this, far more children used to go to church where they had to sit still & be quiet, even if they weren't that interested in what was going on.
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Post by viserys on Feb 6, 2017 1:54:54 GMT
... because the Regietheater nonsense is everywhere and directors are the Gods, who can mess around with scripts however they like (shorten them or even change them) and generally try to come up with new weird ways of staging. I stopped seeing drama in Germany MANY years ago So you stopped seeing drama in Germany many years ago? So how can you tell that Regietheater is everywhere? There are some excellent drama productions incl Shakespeare around, at least in the North where I live, e.g. a fantastic Richard III production at the Thalia Theater in Hamburg this season. Not at all theatres you get Regietheater productions. That would be THIS production? www.ndr.de/kultur/Richard-III-begeistert-Hamburg-Publikum,richardderdritte102.html In which case thank you for proving my point exactly: Nonsensical costumes on an otherwise bare stage and pointless nudity (Richard flashing his bits at Queen Anne and the audience during the courtship scene as per the comment on the bottom). Besides time and money are finite. Why should I waste either in the faint hope that maybe I'll catch a lucky break and see a decent production when I know with about 99% certainty that I'll see excellent drama in London with a top-notch cast to boot, in the case of Richard III Oscar-winner Kevin Spacey for all of £15. German theatre has lost me and while I can't stop my tax money being squandered on it, I will not throw a single cent more at it. Edit to add: I will not reply to any more discussion on German Regietheater as I don't want to bore others here. I come to this forum to get a break from the German attitude of trying to tell others how wrong they are about this or that. Enjoy stuff like the Thalia's Richard III if you like, fine, but accept and respect my opinion that it's not my kind of thing. Thank you.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 6, 2017 10:16:24 GMT
You are right B except when they talk swords and are wearing chinos. Baz Lurhman found a way around that problem years ago.
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Post by lynette on Feb 6, 2017 10:24:25 GMT
Sorry to labour the point, it is this 'German' theatre what Hare is against because I think I've seen elements of it creeping into theatre here?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 10:49:21 GMT
Sorry to labour the point, it is this 'German' theatre what Hare is against because I think I've seen elements of it creeping into theatre here? Yes.
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