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Post by theatremadness on Jun 26, 2017 10:30:32 GMT
A lot of people on Twitter are phenomenally bad at reading jokes and levity. I made the mistake of falling down the rabbit hole and reading people's replies to this one this morning: Some people are way too ready to read stupidity and malice into even the silliest little things. Oh wow!! A lot of people logged into twitter yesterday not quite ready to be people just yet...
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 25, 2017 11:57:25 GMT
Yeah I agree with Burly, although I didn't used to. It can sometimes happen with Javert as Les Mis which used to annoy me as he's not actually the villain (boo Thénardier if anyone!) but it's easy to see how you would think Javert the villain on first, even second watch. The same happened at Harry Potter when I saw it about a month ago and it didn't bother me at all. They're obviously not booing the actor, exactly as Burly said, they're booing the character that the actor has obviously played very well. Yes it's a bit Panto, but it doesn't hurt anyone and it really does play into the stereotype that theatre is an "elitist-only" art form when you call people idiots & say they don't deserve to see it! If it's their first encounter to some form of theatre, at any age, and their reaction shows that they've been immersed the characters then surely that's a good thing that will get them back to the theatre again!
Obviously if they're booing the actual actor, that's another thing altogether. Maybe I'm too relaxed about the whole thing, but that's my personal view!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 25, 2017 0:32:12 GMT
Apparently coming into town next year with David Essex or Kelsey Grammer Oh that would be AMAZING (Kelsey Grammer, not so much David Essex...) I wonder if it would be a revival of the Menier production, as that's the one that ended up on Broadway with Grammer, or whether it would be a new production, but with Grammer still involved. No offence to Bill Kenwright, but I can't quite see him pulling such a name...
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 23, 2017 20:20:44 GMT
I know that's not what you said alece10, I went off on a tangent only semi-related to what you were saying and I know I only half-quoted you - I had hoped to make that clear when I said "I'm not in any way suggesting that's what you were saying" but apologies if that didn't come across properly, as I know what you were saying, I was, as I said, just going off on a tangent!
And yes it absolutely is a business @tbfl, but when that business is also your livelihood, or even if it's not, I believe you have every right to express your contempt for that decision, as much as those who think it's a good idea! OK fine, he gets some people to the theatre who've never been before. But now you have to get them back, so what, have a minor celebrity from any profession in *every* show from now on? That's a gross exaggeration of course, but for me his casting is less about which show he's been cast in but more about the fact he was cast in the first place. And yes I'm being dramatic!!!
Soz all, this casting has just really grinded my gears. Nothing personal, of course!!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 23, 2017 15:45:05 GMT
Ever since they announced this, I've felt like they were trying to set out to create another London Road, which I adore. It remains to be seen, but it looks like they've taken the words and set them to their own composed music, as opposed to London Road's setting the music to the rhythmic and pitch patterns of human speech. If they have set out to attempt to create another piece of innovative theatre like London Road, that clip looks like they have ended up as a distant relative. Not sure how the whole thing plays out, of course!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 23, 2017 14:36:28 GMT
She's also missing the point that Daniel Boys didn't 'start out' in Any Dream Will Do - he was already a professional performer, with training and experience under his belt when he auditioned for ADWD. Yes, absolutely! A point Daniel Boys even tried to make to Jodie himself on twitter, but to no avail. As for We do know that Freddie Flintoff can sing and is pretty good at it. Well, from the clip Burly posted earlier in this thread and from the Elvis clip I've seen, in my opinion, that is a gross, gross overstatement. What I would say is that "Freddie Flintoff can hold a tune and is pretty good at singing an Elvis song....for Freddie Flintoff". Not "Wow, what a voice that Freddie Flintoff has, better than any trained voice I've ever heard, let's get him as the lead in our brand new musical because he's so bloody brilliant definitely not because he's Freddie Flintoff". The level of expectation for Freddie Flintoff being a good singer is 0%, right? So when he sings, and is pretty mediocre to OK, certainly much worse than anyone who actually would claim to be a singer, it actually makes him seem far better than he really is, because the expectation is so low. This is the problem. He'll appear to be "good" because everyone expects him to be bad and he may slightly exceed those expectations, when in fact he's still actually pretty bad. Of course I'm not in any way suggesting that's what you were saying, alece10, I just think we have to be realistic about it. I'll say again, even if he turns out to be OK to good, that's still not good enough for me, because then it'll be a case of "Wow we weren't expecting that" and then the creative team can say "See, this is why we cast him!", when really they just got bloody lucky. Why, when you already have 'names' in a cast, could they not simply have just cast someone who would have reliably played the role with no question marks surrounding their ability. This will probably be the understudy. Putting Freddie Flintoff in a musical when you already have Jodie Prenger & Sam Bailey just seems like you're putting together a cast for a Panto to me, and totally screams that the creative team & producers have absolutely no faith what-so-ever in the quality of this new musical. Whilst I'm sure Fat Friends the Musical will be no piece of high-art, it really does make a laughing stock of the industry.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 23, 2017 13:25:02 GMT
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 23, 2017 12:27:54 GMT
As much as I am a fan of Jodie Prenger, she is missing the point entirely that he is not just 'starting somewhere' or is a 'new talent', he simply would not have been offered the part, or probably been even slightly considered, if he wasn't 'Freddie Flintoff'.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 23:11:03 GMT
You're missing the most important question... do you dayseat for Evita or Wicked?! Will it do dayseats? I was planning to see Evita matinee and Wicked evening every Saturday Whatever job you have, I want it!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 22:35:48 GMT
Yes, so don't go booking crazy amounts of dates before the tour ends, she will be back! EMMA KINGSTON IS PLAYING EVA PERON!?!?!?!? *dies* She actually is, in Cape Town (in an original production replica), as someone mentioned previously in this thread, I think!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 22:27:36 GMT
Gotta be somewhere big, I guess. Palladium may make most sense now that they're not doing long runners for the time-being. Also, was it just a slip when Baz says a West End transfer, or does the Coliseum not count as West End? It's technically not a West End theatre. Its an Opera House. Oh wow - genuinely didn't know that! Nice little factoid there.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 22:25:08 GMT
Might as well start while the rumour mill is fresh!!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 22:23:02 GMT
Gotta be somewhere big, I guess. Palladium may make most sense now that they're not doing long runners for the time-being. Also, was it just a slip when Baz says a West End transfer, or does the Coliseum not count as West End?
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 22:17:22 GMT
Looks like transfer could happen!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 22:15:23 GMT
Pretty cool cast for the tour!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 22:11:21 GMT
Still talking about Hamilton!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 18:58:15 GMT
Also, show times are a little weird. I also remember seeing Evita on that TickX website and the times seemed to be the same as what they're showing for The Exorcist if I remember correctly, which was 7.45pm evenings, 3pm Thursday matinee and 4pm Saturday matinee.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 18:51:38 GMT
Maybe Queen Baz will have something to say tonight? Dunno if it's "Baz worthy" but I'm here to be proved wrong. I'm also SO here for The Exorcist. Is it weird that I'm pretty interested to see how it plays out on stage?? Anyone remember what the reviews were like for wherever it was originally? CBATG.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 14:18:41 GMT
I might be defeating my own point here, but I almost don't even care if he ends up being good. I'm just really pissed that musical theatre casting has come to this. He ain't even fat!!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 11:37:31 GMT
Yes. All the people you've described are either singers or full time performers/entertainers. This is especially true for the singers, who already tick half of the box for being able to sing. Huge difference. Fairy nuff. According to the article, Andrew Flintoff can sing so if he ends up being able to act as well he's already better equipped than Alexandra Burke, Beverley Knight and Graham Norton for starters. And here I was thinking you'd be far more cynical than to believe an article from WoS that says Freddie Flintoff can sing (though it doesn't really...) Or are you excited about seeing Freddie Flintoff in the flesh? How many retraining orders can be given against one person?! I jest, of course!!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 11:26:47 GMT
I can see it looks odd casting because of what he used to do but is casting a cricketer (who can sing according to the article) any different from casting Sam Bailey, Alexandra Burke, Beverley Knight, Kimberley Walsh, Philip Schofield, Graham Norton etc in leading roles in shows? Hmm, maybe, but I don't 100% buy that! The article doesn't actually say he *can* sing, it says that the director and composer agreed that his voice was "perfect for the role". Who knows what that means! Strong and stable, anyone?? (obviously a ridiculous comparison, but perfect for entertainment purposes!). Whilst I would put Flintoff in the same category as Philip Schofield (though he is in the entertainment profession) and Graham Norton (who actually wasn't great, so lessons should have been learnt, but still at least went to the Central School of Speech & Drama), at least the others you mentioned, whilst still not ideal, are at least known for their singing, which by association should at least come with a bit of acting. Sometimes even the famous 'singers' can't act and are crap, so I just don't understand how this cricketer with a slight personality is suddenly the perfect leading man they've been searching for all their lives.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 10:57:31 GMT
We TheatreBoard types are notoriously quick!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 10:56:16 GMT
I *think*......this is the most ridiculous casting I've heard in quite a while?? So glad I've been doing this since I was 8, trained formally for 3 years, auditioned for this and didn't get it. I know no one asked me to be an actor....but I thought maybe I might have more of a chance than a CRICKETER. Oy vey.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 22, 2017 10:53:53 GMT
Starring Joanne Clifton & Ben Adams from A1!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 21, 2017 15:46:21 GMT
Yeah but you're not "typical" are you info. You probably don't buy the daily mail either. I wonder if they're planning an OCR for this? I'm not 100% sure, but I *think* it's been recorded!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 21, 2017 14:53:27 GMT
Couldn't find a thread for this one so please merge if I missed it!! Coming up straight after Blonde, The Hired Man will play at the Union Theatre from 19th July - 12th August www.uniontheatre.biz/the-hired-man.html
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 21, 2017 14:50:37 GMT
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 21, 2017 13:25:33 GMT
Don't you just love it, as a 22 year old with an average/bigger build, when your old neighbour walks past and tells you "and you've put on weight", when you've lost 3 stone over the course of 3 months and kept it off for over a year? Feels great, that. I hope you said "I haven't actually" and explained in excruxiating detail just how wrong s/he was. I couldn't do what you've done, congratulations on all your hard work. I bet you look great. Aaah thanks Baemax I did a "I've lost 3 stone actually, thank you" and walked straight off, hearing him say "Oh" as I did. Then I swore and shouted afterwards in my head...probably for the best!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 21, 2017 13:22:03 GMT
This seems to me to be the West End's 'Dear Evan Hansen' moment. Not it terms of story (though misfit young guy does connect them!) or probably not in terms of popularity, but in terms of a new musical being given a major opportunity after an out-of-town try-out with no properly mahoosive name behind it for sales. Good on the producers for giving it a shot and I so hope it does well and gives other producers an incentive to try it themselves. Hooray for new British musicals in the West End!!!
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 20, 2017 21:53:43 GMT
Clearly the neighbour needs glasses! That's tremendous - especially keeping it off. Keeping it off is the really hard bit! Had a nice-ish swim this evening. Only nice-ish because the pool was (obviously) heaving and I gave up after 40 minutes. Haha - thank you Yes I can imagine that a pool would be quite popular on a day like today - very relaxing & refreshing! Well done. How did you manage it? Thanks Eating less, eating better, eating slower, cutting out alcohol and joining the gym!
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