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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 17:54:47 GMT
All you've got left is that you personally don't like the outcome. That, plus I have the knowledge I don't have a catastrophic act of national self-harm on my conscience.
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Post by sf on Nov 24, 2017 17:55:15 GMT
Calm down. You've had your way. The UK is leaving the EU as a result of your vote. Every disaster from now on is your own fault. EVERY disaster ? Stop exaggerating and don’t be so condescending. Try and be democratic instead . "Democratic"? Democracy is not a one-time only event. Those of us on the opposite side of the argument are entitled to continue to make the case for EU membership/EEA membership/whatever up to and beyond the moment the UK leaves the EU ( if we do, because there are still scenarios in which the process could be stopped). THAT is democracy. Dissent has not yet been outlawed, and the fact that the other side won the vote does not mean the rest of us all have to fall into line.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 17:58:37 GMT
Just a thought - Eurovision Song Contest, practical point, what language shall nation speak unto nation in if UK not in it? Good point, lynette. At least some of us have got their priorities right. Esperanto? I mean, it’s got to come in use sooner or later, hasn’t it?
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 24, 2017 18:02:03 GMT
Just think in a couple of years time, when we leave the EU, we can go out on Black Friday and every other day of the week and we aren’t forced to buy straight bananas anymore.
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Post by karloscar on Nov 24, 2017 18:09:42 GMT
Well they could easily have kept them all in the running with no intention of awarding them the title. so it's nice of the Europeans to at least be honest which is more than can be said for Maybot, Govey, BoJob, kreuzfeldjacobdisease mogg.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Nov 24, 2017 18:21:54 GMT
What will be the next moment of post-referendum realisation?
Oh, the North of Ireland is now not viable as part of the UK?
Oh, UK exports to the EU have to comply with EU regulations?
Oh, the UK has no Customs & Excise capacity to "protect" "our" borders?
Oh, vast chunks of the Finance sector is decamping from the UK?
Oh, the rest of the EU has a sense of humour and is laughing at the UK?
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 24, 2017 18:38:47 GMT
What will be the next moment of post-referendum realisation? Oh, the North of Ireland is now not viable as part of the UK? Oh, UK exports to the EU have to comply with EU regulations? Oh, the UK has no Customs & Excise capacity to "protect" "our" borders? Oh, vast chunks of the Finance sector is decamping from the UK? Oh, the rest of the EU has a sense of humour and is laughing at the UK? ‘You traitor, talking this great country down,’ that’s what Paul Dacre of the Daily Mail would label you.
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Post by bimse on Nov 24, 2017 19:41:40 GMT
EVERY disaster ? Stop exaggerating and don’t be so condescending. Try and be democratic instead . "Democratic"? Democracy is not a one-time only event. Those of us on the opposite side of the argument are entitled to continue to make the case for EU membership/EEA membership/whatever up to and beyond the moment the UK leaves the EU ( if we do, because there are still scenarios in which the process could be stopped). THAT is democracy. Dissent has not yet been outlawed, and the fact that the other side won the vote does not mean the rest of us all have to fall into line. It works both ways , leave voters are entitled to continue to make the case for leave being the best option. Dissent has not been outlawed? I thought it had , because it feels like dissent to have voted leave, with the awful things being said about leave voters by remainers. And for the record, I have never said that there can’t be an opposing view. I don’t know where you’ve got that from, because I agree we don’t all have to fall into line, and believe me, I won’t. ( who was it said you should fall into line? Not me).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 19:50:06 GMT
it feels like dissent to have voted leave, with the awful things being said about leave voters by remainers. You won, suck it up.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Nov 24, 2017 19:56:23 GMT
What will be the next moment of post-referendum realisation? Oh, the North of Ireland is now not viable as part of the UK? Oh, UK exports to the EU have to comply with EU regulations? Oh, the UK has no Customs & Excise capacity to "protect" "our" borders? Oh, vast chunks of the Finance sector is decamping from the UK? Oh, the rest of the EU has a sense of humour and is laughing at the UK? The NHS can’t get enough people to cater for the (Brexit voting) elderly population. The food we grow hasn’t got enough people to pick it so those (Brexit voting) poorer areas will have to pay more. The economy is weak, so wages of those in non-shortage (Brexit voting) jobs are going to have less and less to live on. Those with wealth and with good jobs will be fine, I will be fine. Those who spent decades softening up the the poor, working class voter to harm themselves by voting this way will be fine. In fact, they will be more than fine, just as Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy are built on the conning of similar people. Yet - immigrants. Something which other EU countries appear to have magically more control over became the carrot to screw the working class over. Because those who wanted Brexit to line their own pockets needed something with which to execute this long con. So long, suckers.
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Post by sf on Nov 24, 2017 20:26:54 GMT
It works both ways , leave voters are entitled to continue to make the case for leave being the best option. Dissent has not been outlawed? I thought it had , because it feels like dissent to have voted leave, with the awful things being said about leave voters by remainers. And for the record, I have never said that there can’t be an opposing view. I don’t know where you’ve got that from, because I agree we don’t all have to fall into line, and believe me, I won’t. ( who was it said you should fall into line? Not me). I believe your exact phrase was "try and be democratic instead", meaning "accept the result". Of course Leave voters are entitled to continue to make their case too; those of us who voted differently, though, are equally entitled not to be told to "be democratic" by people who very clearly don't know what the word means.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 24, 2017 20:51:30 GMT
What will be the next moment of post-referendum realisation? Oh, the North of Ireland is now not viable as part of the UK? Oh, UK exports to the EU have to comply with EU regulations? Oh, the UK has no Customs & Excise capacity to "protect" "our" borders? Oh, vast chunks of the Finance sector is decamping from the UK? Oh, the rest of the EU has a sense of humour and is laughing at the UK? The NHS can’t get enough people to cater for the (Brexit voting) elderly population. The food we grow hasn’t got enough people to pick it so those (Brexit voting) poorer areas will have to pay more. The economy is weak, so wages of those in non-shortage (Brexit voting) jobs are going to have less and less to live on. Those with wealth and with good jobs will be fine, I will be fine. Those who spent decades softening up the the poor, working class voter to harm themselves by voting this way will be fine. In fact, they will be more than fine, just as Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthy are built on the conning of similar people. Yet - immigrants. Something which other EU countries appear to have magically more control over became the carrot to screw the working class over. Because those who wanted Brexit to line their own pockets needed something with which to execute this long con. So long, suckers. Also Grimsby Fishermen (Brexit voters) now want immunity from European Union taxes to export their goods.
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Post by bimse on Nov 24, 2017 21:02:47 GMT
I believe your exact phrase was "try and be democratic instead", meaning "accept the result". Of course Leave voters are entitled to continue to make their case too; those of us who voted differently, though, are equally entitled not to be told to "be democratic" by people who very clearly don't know what the word means. I believe you’re just being pedantic. I understand what I’m saying thank you . You really don’t need to explain words to a poor leave voter . (Humour intended)
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Post by hulmeman on Nov 24, 2017 23:23:30 GMT
How quickly a post about the capital of culture has descended into a row about the Brexit vote. This has nothing to do with the referendum result, it is the EU getting it's own back on us for nominating f***ing Rhyl. As you can guess, I cannot get over that!
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Post by n1david on Nov 25, 2017 4:43:57 GMT
How quickly a post about the capital of culture has descended into a row about the Brexit vote. This has nothing to do with the referendum result, it is the EU getting it's own back on us for nominating f***ing Rhyl. As you can guess, I cannot get over that! That was a joke. Our candidate cities were Leeds, Dundee, Nottingham, Milton Keynes and Belfast/Derry.
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Post by hulmeman on Nov 25, 2017 9:28:02 GMT
How quickly a post about the capital of culture has descended into a row about the Brexit vote. This has nothing to do with the referendum result, it is the EU getting it's own back on us for nominating f***ing Rhyl. As you can guess, I cannot get over that! That was a joke. Our candidate cities were Leeds, Dundee, Nottingham, Milton Keynes and Belfast/Derry. Milton Keynes? Milton Keynes? bloody Milton Keynes (I think you know how the rest of this goes......!)
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Post by bellboard27 on Nov 25, 2017 10:00:23 GMT
Milton Keynes, Milton Keynes It’s embedded in my genes For cultural ecstasy Come and sit right next to me And I’ll show you what Milton Keynes means
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Post by Honoured Guest on Nov 25, 2017 10:08:45 GMT
Milton Keynes? Milton Keynes? bloody Milton Keynes (I think you know how the rest of this goes......!) Theirs was an aspirational bid: "If we don’t win, we will build on momentum, support and work already delivered to achieve our ambition to become a creative and cultured city."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 10:39:35 GMT
How quickly a post about the capital of culture has descended into a row about the Brexit vote. This has nothing to do with the referendum result, it is the EU getting it's own back on us for nominating f***ing Rhyl. As you can guess, I cannot get over that! That was a joke. Our candidate cities were Leeds, Dundee, Nottingham, Milton Keynes and Belfast/Derry. Yes it was a joke. My joke. And not a very good one really... Apologies hulmeman. I was trying to come up with five ridiculously unlikely places that could be called a Capital of Culture. Funnily enough, Milton Keynes was on my original list of five but I replaced it at the last minute with Basingstoke.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Nov 25, 2017 10:57:10 GMT
One of the most ambitious theatre productions of this year was created and performed in Rhyl by National Theatre Wales and Mark Storor: Lifted by Beauty: Adventures in Dreaming.
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Post by hulmeman on Nov 25, 2017 13:52:22 GMT
That was a joke. Our candidate cities were Leeds, Dundee, Nottingham, Milton Keynes and Belfast/Derry. Yes it was a joke. My joke. And not a very good one really... Apologies hulmeman . I was trying to come up with five ridiculously unlikely places that could be called a Capital of Culture. Funnily enough, Milton Keynes was on my original list of five but I replaced it at the last minute with Basingstoke. Oh yes very funny Mr Caiaphas, I hope you are laughing when I'm in hospital with a stroke from ranting. Not that I'm ever prone to exaggeration of course!
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Post by lynette on Nov 25, 2017 16:54:01 GMT
Not Rhyl?
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Post by tysilio2 on Nov 25, 2017 20:00:29 GMT
Rhyl? Rhyl? Rhyl? It's not even the north Wales coastal city of culture never mind the European city of culture!!! Absolutely!! It is however, the home town of Kane Oliver Parry and Rebecca Trehern apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 20:31:10 GMT
And Ruth Ellis. Don’t forget Ruth Ellis.
Now there’s a story.
(Dance With A Stranger- one of my favourite films of all time, with Miranda Richardson and Rupert Everett... and you can still see the gunshot damage on the exterior tiles of the Magdala Tavern, Hampstead.)
And another macabre (Rhyl) story... James Hanratty’s alibi: he was in Rhyl the night of the A6 murder. (Now misproven thanks to DNA.)
Who thought Rhyl was quiet?
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 25, 2017 20:43:31 GMT
Who thought Rhyl was quiet? Every Sheffield United supporter knows that Rhyl is anything but quiet, especially at the weekend.
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 25, 2017 20:47:26 GMT
What does the ‘European City of Culture’ actually mean. If you surround yourself with culture like many of us do, then the term seems very redundant.
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Post by tysilio2 on Nov 25, 2017 20:55:17 GMT
Who thought Rhyl was quiet? Err.....nobody in North Wales...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 20:57:52 GMT
Who thought Rhyl was quiet? Err.....nobody in North Wales... Oh, that’s where it is...
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Post by tysilio2 on Nov 25, 2017 21:15:08 GMT
Err.....nobody in North Wales... Oh, that’s where it is... Despite our best efforts, yes!
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Post by Honoured Guest on Nov 25, 2017 23:31:28 GMT
And Ruth Ellis. Don’t forget Ruth Ellis. Now there’s a story. ( Dance With A Stranger- one of my favourite films of all time, with Miranda Richardson and Rupert Everett... and you can still see the gunshot damage on the exterior tiles of the Magdala Tavern, Hampstead.) And another macabre (Rhyl) story... James Hanratty’s alibi: he was in Rhyl the night of the A6 murder. (Now misproven thanks to DNA.) Who thought Rhyl was quiet? Sinners Club gig theatre is at Soho Upstairs throughout December.
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