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Post by blamerobots on Apr 24, 2024 11:43:22 GMT
There’s been many a rumour circulating that this’ll fill the gap between Oz and Totoro, any thoughts? I haven't heard these rumours; the only reason I brought it up in another thread is just harmless "Oh I'd love to see the Witches" From what I've seen people talk about it's probably more likely to be something smaller-scale, something that can, as said, recoup in those 7 months (hence why Oz is going there. I mean that's just an LED screen from what I've seen...) I've heard nothing about any particular shows that could go there though, I'm assuming that it's already been arranged and is under a super strict embargo, hence why we are getting no rumours.
From what I understand, more rumours tend to arise because talks are still underway... when they're done, it's rarer for them to come out the woodwork, and usually they come out because the announcement is days away.
Newsies, after Troubadour Park, I don't see returning. I saw it mid-way through its run; half the theatre was empty. I went from being at the very back to halfway down the theatre after the interval because there were that many seats empty. After looking at other days, the other bookings said the same thing to me. I think they must have kept quiet how much it was papering.
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 17:07:21 GMT
Probably worth highlighting (as it was mentioned that two Olivier productions transferred to the Gillian Lynne):
Standing At The Sky's Edge was originally a crucible production so was scaled up slightly for the Olivier. There was always a smaller version of it and it is one static set.
War Horse did not use the full Olivier stage, so was able to fairly easily fit into the New London as it didn't require the full vastness of the Olivier and had one set with minimal additions.
The Witches used the FULL Olivier stage (with multiple sets), it's revolve, and a fair chunk of it's massive wing space, so the scale of it is WAY grander than either of the two shows used as examples of shows that moved to the GL. You can't scale this show down to fit into the GL - it would require a full redesign, and that is not happening.
I'm not being obtuse for the sake of it here. The Witches, as far as I'm aware from people at the NT, is not looking to return.
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 24, 2024 17:21:53 GMT
Probably worth highlighting (as it was mentioned that two Olivier productions transferred to the Gillian Lynne): Standing At The Sky's Edge was originally a crucible production so was scaled up slightly for the Olivier. There was always a smaller version of it and it is one static set. War Horse did not use the full Olivier stage, so was able to fairly easily fit into the New London as it didn't require the full vastness of the Olivier and had one set with minimal additions. The Witches used the FULL Olivier stage (with multiple sets), it's revolve, and a fair chunk of it's massive wing space, so the scale of it is WAY grander than either of the two shows used as examples of shows that moved to the GL. You can't scale this show down to fit into the GL - it would require a full redesign, and that is not happening. I'm not being obtuse for the sake of it here. The Witches, as far as I'm aware from people at the NT, is not looking to return. Okay, apologies for the miscommunication. I guess we will find out in due time, as I’ve heard other things. Thank you for the insight into the scale of things
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 17:26:01 GMT
It also financially makes no sense to fill a maximum three months gap with a complete redesign which will cost tens upon tens of thousands to build when there's no time to make any of the money back, along with the whole scale thing.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 24, 2024 19:54:51 GMT
This is true. They would have to drastically redesign The Witches to fit in the GL- there is no wing space- and no depth.
I really don’t think anyone would invest that kind of money in it, it’s not good enough, and it wasn’t a big enough hit to justify the expense.
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Post by Rory on Apr 24, 2024 20:01:53 GMT
The Witches is the new Into the Woods from Bath. Everyone wants it to transfer but it isn't going to, by the looks of it.
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Post by parsley1 on Apr 24, 2024 20:33:51 GMT
It is quite likely to reappear at the NT in the next 2 years
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Post by blamerobots on Apr 24, 2024 20:44:30 GMT
The Witches is the new Into the Woods from Bath. Everyone wants it to transfer but it isn't going to, by the looks of it. Don't remind me
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 20:53:12 GMT
It is quite likely to reappear at the NT in the next 2 years I would imagine Indhu has her own plans for the future that don't include a return of a show from a few years back tbh - i think it was probably this Christmas or bust, but they're doing Ballet Shoes instead. People (outside of very regular theatregoers) will largely have forgotten about this musical in a years time I'd wager.
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Post by blamerobots on Apr 24, 2024 21:03:52 GMT
It is quite likely to reappear at the NT in the next 2 years I would imagine Indhu has her own plans for the future that don't include a return of a show from a few years back tbh - i think it was probably this Christmas or bust, but they're doing Ballet Shoes instead. People (outside of very regular theatregoers) will largely have forgotten about this musical in a years time I'd wager. It's probably one for NT Live...
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 24, 2024 21:27:06 GMT
Perfect possible it'll go out on a delayed release like Dear England did - it was certainly captured!
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Apr 24, 2024 21:43:33 GMT
The Witches is the new Into the Woods from Bath. Everyone wants it to transfer but it isn't going to, by the looks of it. I wouldn’t say everyone wants it to transfer. Personally I think it would benefit from being put away for now and revisited in years to come by a new creative team who can fix its issues and approach a new design and production with fresh eyes.
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Post by blamerobots on Apr 24, 2024 22:07:52 GMT
I imagine it'd be much cheaper and possibly better for the show's health to just put it out on streaming. Then, it can have an extended life with a wider potential audience than another WE run in this competitive landscape. It's not in the public catalogue at the National Theatre Archive, which is usually a sign it could be coming out in a public form in the near future. Filmed stuff ends up in there when there's truly no hope remaining.
(The NT Hadestown proshot used to be there, but it was surreptitiously taken out from public viewing once the show was slated for, and opened on the WE.)
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Post by Jon on Apr 24, 2024 23:07:11 GMT
It might be tricky to stream or broadcast in cinemas because of rights issues. Netflix owns The Roald Dahl Story Company but I think Warner Bros stills own some screen rights to The Witches as well.
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Post by horton on Apr 25, 2024 5:37:09 GMT
Witches was workshopping again last week.
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Post by thestageyscribbles on Apr 25, 2024 10:43:27 GMT
Witches was workshopping again last week. Oh that’s so cool!! How do you know this, do you know who’s involved?
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Post by horton on Apr 25, 2024 21:33:47 GMT
Witches was workshopping again last week. Oh that’s so cool!! How do you know this, do you know who’s involved? Some, but not all, of the original cast are still involved.
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Post by bigredapple on Apr 25, 2024 21:39:32 GMT
Oh that’s so cool!! How do you know this, do you know who’s involved? Some, but not all, of the original cast are still involved. Source? Are you secretly Sally Ann Triplett?
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Post by Rory on Apr 25, 2024 23:27:26 GMT
If you go back to my review of the show (at the top of this page!), you'll find there's a lot about the show I liked, and I wanted bits of it to be better because it's got bags of potential so I don't know where you've come up with the idea that I'm anti-Witches TBF. I'm just trying to explain that this show is enormous (the NT themselves literally acknowledged they made a show that can only fit into Drury Lane) and the Gillian Lynne does not have the capability to house it... Something else is filling at least some of that 7 months to be announced shortly. I see a social media rumour that The Lehman Trilogy may be coming back to the Lynne. It's a good show but it's been done to death, if true.
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Post by mattnyc on Apr 26, 2024 3:50:17 GMT
Lehman Trilogy is the Heathers of plays - it just won’t die.
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Post by horton on Apr 26, 2024 7:14:10 GMT
Some, but not all, of the original cast are still involved. Source? Are you secretly Sally Ann Triplett? She isn't involved.
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Post by thedrowsychaperone on Apr 26, 2024 8:14:36 GMT
Lehman Trilogy is the Heathers of plays - it just won’t die. I'd say 2:22: A Ghost Story is the Heathers of plays...
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 26, 2024 8:32:00 GMT
If you go back to my review of the show (at the top of this page!), you'll find there's a lot about the show I liked, and I wanted bits of it to be better because it's got bags of potential so I don't know where you've come up with the idea that I'm anti-Witches TBF. I'm just trying to explain that this show is enormous (the NT themselves literally acknowledged they made a show that can only fit into Drury Lane) and the Gillian Lynne does not have the capability to house it... Something else is filling at least some of that 7 months to be announced shortly. I see a social media rumour that The Lehman Trilogy may be coming back to the Lynne. It's a good show but it's been done to death, if true. At least it's good though! Assume that set is in storage somewhere and can easily be put in. Quite the show to rehearse for what will end up being 12 weeks max but weirder things have happened.
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Post by Jon on Apr 26, 2024 13:01:47 GMT
At least it's good though! Assume that set is in storage somewhere and can easily be put in. Quite the show to rehearse for what will end up being 12 weeks max but weirder things have happened. The Piccadilly run was just over three months IIRC so 12 weeks is doable for a return run. The GL run sold really well so it's a no brainer to do another run.
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Post by mattnyc on Apr 26, 2024 13:09:05 GMT
Lehman Trilogy is the Heathers of plays - it just won’t die. I'd say 2:22: A Ghost Story is the Heathers of plays... Ha! Fair!!!
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Post by anthony40 on Apr 26, 2024 13:24:26 GMT
Another one that just won't die is Blood Brothers.
This will just continue to tour over and over again, with Calendar Girls snapping at its heals.
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Post by andrew on Apr 26, 2024 20:52:08 GMT
Source? Are you secretly Sally Ann Triplett? She isn't involved. I would love me some VHB then...
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Post by blamerobots on May 1, 2024 19:04:20 GMT
The Witches is the new Into the Woods from Bath. Everyone wants it to transfer but it isn't going to, by the looks of it. Sorry for being slightly off-topic, but I remembered this suddenly while cleaning.
Into the Woods went onto restricted licensing on MTI Europe this time last year, around the time the rumours of a transfer from Bath had been going on. It had really odd guidelines, like how you couldn't perform within 30km of London or something ridiculous like that. When MTI restricted it, I assumed it was because of the transfer.
Now it's gone back up for licensing, and there's productions springing up again in London. This transfer is definitely DOA...
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