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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 18:05:30 GMT
I mean...it is very financially successful thus far. There's no denying that.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 24, 2017 18:36:39 GMT
I mean...it is very financially successful thus far. There's no denying that. That doesn't mean it will come here!
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Post by ali973 on Jun 24, 2017 18:39:48 GMT
No one knows if it's coming for certain or not. And I know you're plugged in but the fact is that it's too early for anyone to know anything. I'm sure producers barely made any exploratory visits or very serious meetings with local producers and partners.
What we do know is that it's very successful and that they have every intension of expanding domestically and in key markets in Asia and Europe. London is definitely a key market and will be looked at.
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Post by daniel on Jun 24, 2017 22:05:17 GMT
ali973 can I just say, I really appreciate how you are always such a rational voice of reason right across this board, it makes nice reading compared to some posts!
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 31, 2017 13:33:18 GMT
Dame Elaine of Paige revealed on her eponymous radio show yesterday that Anastasia will indeed be arriving in two years, so it must be true!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 13:43:52 GMT
Cue lots of messages asking where you can get tickets at basement prices.
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 31, 2017 13:51:07 GMT
Do you have a whole library of gifs ready and waiting for the right occasion?
P.S. Where can I get a ticket at a basement price?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 13:56:12 GMT
Do you have a whole library of gifs ready and waiting for the right occasion? P.S. Where can I get a ticket at a basement price? I'm like a scout. Always prepared. Well, that and having the legs for shorts.
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 31, 2017 13:59:32 GMT
I've often heard it said that you've got a lovely toggle!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 14:08:27 GMT
I've often heard it said that you've got a lovely toggle!!! Well, one doesn't like to brag but . . .
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Post by westendwendy on Jul 31, 2017 14:11:07 GMT
I hope it does come over to the West End. With a new book, set and rewriting the character Gleb!
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 31, 2017 14:55:14 GMT
I hope it does come over to the West End. With a new book, set and rewriting the character Gleb! And a new score ?! 😂
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Post by daniel on Jul 31, 2017 15:13:04 GMT
How high is the stage?
Will there be day seats?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 16:56:18 GMT
I hope it does come over to the West End. With a new book, set and rewriting the character Gleb! And a new score ?! 😂 Only if they want me to protest outside the theatre, the score is great.
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Post by showbizkid on Aug 1, 2017 7:23:53 GMT
Actually the score is fine, the book, direction and set however is bad. That said lovers of the 90's film can keep it afloat. I didn't like it on Broadway. Poor Ramin!
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Post by ali973 on Aug 1, 2017 7:35:24 GMT
I think people have false expectations from this show. It's an adaptation of a "cartoon" on stage, and not this grade historical drama that its critics want it to be. I've said this before, but of all animated movie to stage adaptations (Lion King, Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast) this is by far the best and least patronizing and infantile.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 8:07:37 GMT
If the show was really going for historical accuracy then it would be a really short show because you know . . {Dont look!} . . *gasp* Anastasia actually died in 1918. I know right?
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Post by showbizkid on Aug 1, 2017 11:00:05 GMT
I think most people know that Anastasia's body was apparantly found in 2009 in Ekaterinburg 50 metres from the other Romanovs. The story is indeed not true. That said it wasn't the story that I had so much issue with. It was the Russian/Soviet stereotypes - it made me cringe! There has to be some style and class when it comes to war or poverty and death (Les Mis and Saigon do it almost flawlessly) Anastasia didn't.
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Post by Baemax on Aug 1, 2017 11:25:59 GMT
... I'm not sure I'd hold Miss Saigon up as an example of doing it right just 'cos it's at least better than Anastasia in that regard...
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Post by westendwendy on Aug 1, 2017 11:41:42 GMT
... I'm not sure I'd hold Miss Saigon up as an example of doing it right just 'cos it's at least better than Anastasia in that regard... Didn't he say "almost". I totally get what showbizkid means.. The revolution sequences and Vietnamese war scenes in Siagon try to be authentic, Anastasia has gurning Russians, crass lyrics and is cheesy and tacky and lacks class.
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Post by viserys on Aug 1, 2017 11:47:53 GMT
Don't get me started on the nonsense that's Miss Saigon.
And while I'm fine with a bit of inaccuracy or bending facts to fit the story, I just don' t see what they thought to gain by making Anya the genuine Anastasia? There would have been a terrific story of "is she or isn't she?" and making-believe in this, perhaps even with the old Countess wanting to badly to believe that she is real (while knowing deep inside she isn't) and that at least one person survived. And Gleb, whose role doesn't make sense at all right now, could be the one who firmly believes she is not who she claims to believe and finally exposes her. And amid the crumbling of the lie and people accepting the truth for what it is, there could still be the happy end for Anya and her common-born chap.
But while listening to the cast recording (not having seen the actual show) I just went from "yea right" to shaking my head at the insistence that she IS Anastasia. I don't expect a deep history lesson from a cartoon adaptation, but this was just too much to swallow for me. That said, I'd see it anyway when it comes over.
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Post by danb on Aug 1, 2017 12:00:33 GMT
I've had the wrong end of the stick all along thinking that this was the story of Anastasia set to the songs of Anastacia. Apparently it isn't...
No "I'm Outta Love", no "Left Outside Alone"...no Dan. 😢
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 12:56:10 GMT
... I'm not sure I'd hold Miss Saigon up as an example of doing it right just 'cos it's at least better than Anastasia in that regard... Didn't he say "almost". I totally get what showbizkid means.. The revolution sequences and Vietnamese war scenes in Siagon try to be authentic, Anastasia has gurning Russians, crass lyrics and is cheesy and tacky and lacks class. You're saying that like it's a bad thing.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 1, 2017 18:35:57 GMT
LOL that actually WAS funny..I occasionally find your irreverence refreshing
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Post by Stasia on Aug 2, 2017 8:02:16 GMT
Reading frases like "Anastasia lacks class" I'm getting nervous, sir - like, how can they all know that about me? And getting back to the topic - obviously it was my favourite cartoon when I was a kid, as I am named after the Grand Duchess. Even my first boyfriend's name was Dmitriy. Since the first talks and ideas (of Stage Entertainment Russia head, who organised first steps of it) for more than 5 years I've been waiting for this musical to happen. But when it happened I didn't like it. I can judge only by a not-so-good video my friend shown me, and by the album, so there is a benefit of a doubt. But I don't like the whole Gleb line, and the show itself lacked something for me, so now I am not very keen on getting it here in Russia next year
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Post by viserys on Aug 2, 2017 8:13:58 GMT
so now I am not very keen on getting it here in Russia next year I'd be really keen to find out the Russian reaction to this show (same if "Great Comet" ever made it there). At least the Austrians had the sense to ignore the atrocity that was Frank Wildhorn's take on the story of their crown prince Rudolf and stayed away in droves when it ran in Vienna. Not that I'd compare Anastasia to the stuff Wildhorn churned out, it's way better than that.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 2, 2017 10:26:43 GMT
I think this could go both ways in a place like Russia. Not that I know the theatre market there too well, but it's a recent new market for large-scale commercial musicals from Broadway. They've had Phantom, Tanz der Vampire, Notre Dame De Paris (and perhaps Cats?). So we know that there is appetite. However, given the newness of the genre and scale to the market, I'm not sure the audience would be too critical of Anastasia that for all intents and purposes is entertaining, but has a lot of historic and book problems. The only issue I see it having with the Russians is the historical elements.
Not worried about the way Londoners will receive it. The West End loves anything that comes from America, and with the American tone of the show, it will do well.
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Post by showbizkid on Aug 2, 2017 11:03:21 GMT
I think this could go both ways in a place like Russia. Not that I know the theatre market there too well, but it's a recent new market for large-scale commercial musicals from Broadway. They've had Phantom, Tanz der Vampire, Notre Dame De Paris (and perhaps Cats?). So we know that there is appetite. However, given the newness of the genre and scale to the market, I'm not sure the audience would be too critical of Anastasia that for all intents and purposes is entertaining, but has a lot of historic and book problems. The only issue I see it having with the Russians is the historical elements. Not worried about the way Londoners will receive it. The West End loves anything that comes from America, and with the American tone of the show, it will do well. There isn't much of an American tone to the show - I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. Russians will not like it in its current format, Russians are very particular with what shows they like. It's a totally different market. They had Cats, Mamma Mia, Singing in the Rain, Zorro, Sound of Music, Beauty and the Beast, Phantom - some failed while others did well. The main issue with Anastasia is that its factually inaccurate and has so many bad or stereo typical references to the revolution, the people, the Bolsheviks and indeed the story itself. That said having spoken to the Russian Stage Ents team I doubt it will transfer to Moscow. (At least without the vast changes it needs).
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Post by ali973 on Aug 2, 2017 14:11:24 GMT
I would think they'll either produce it in its current format, or not at all if the current format and book would cause a problem. Just because it's Russian/based in Russia, it doesn't mean that it needs to be done there. It's like saying Les Miz and Phantom absolutely need to be done in France because of their setting. Stage Entertainment has a handful of shows in their portfolio that could be done in Russia and bring in the money. The sole premise of these shows is that they are done in one place and then exported identically across. Though its second incarnation might see some rewrites (either for the tour or for London, for example), I doubt a bespoke production would be developed for Russia.
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Post by Stasia on Aug 2, 2017 17:21:47 GMT
I think this could go both ways in a place like Russia. Not that I know the theatre market there too well, but it's a recent new market for large-scale commercial musicals from Broadway. They've had Phantom, Tanz der Vampire, Notre Dame De Paris (and perhaps Cats?). So we know that there is appetite. However, given the newness of the genre and scale to the market, I'm not sure the audience would be too critical of Anastasia that for all intents and purposes is entertaining, but has a lot of historic and book problems. The only issue I see it having with the Russians is the historical elements. Not worried about the way Londoners will receive it. The West End loves anything that comes from America, and with the American tone of the show, it will do well. There isn't much of an American tone to the show - I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. Russians will not like it in its current format, Russians are very particular with what shows they like. It's a totally different market. They had Cats, Mamma Mia, Singing in the Rain, Zorro, Sound of Music, Beauty and the Beast, Phantom - some failed while others did well. The main issue with Anastasia is that its factually inaccurate and has so many bad or stereo typical references to the revolution, the people, the Bolsheviks and indeed the story itself. That said having spoken to the Russian Stage Ents team I doubt it will transfer to Moscow. (At least without the vast changes it needs). If you know people from SE Russia that means we are one handshake from each other. I used to work there for 3 years a few years ago The head of Russian team was involved into producing/creating the Broadway version and judging by the social media canpaign they handled this spring and by a handful of his interviews they are very looking forward to having Anastasia here in Moscow. Of course things may change...
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