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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2022 11:07:58 GMT
Tom Tugendhat enters the leadership race, not sure if he'll go far as he has no experience in Government.
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Post by ceebee on Jul 8, 2022 16:36:29 GMT
Tom Tugendhat is a rare MP of integrity, charm and modesty. He would be an excellent PM.
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 8, 2022 16:51:50 GMT
And then there were three...Suella, Tom and Rishi.
Isn't it supposed to be the Labour Party that's progressive?
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2022 17:52:04 GMT
No-one from the left of the party can win with the members. Tugendhat and Hunt therefore have no chance unless they fix it so that the MPs agree a single candidate so it doesn't have to go to a members vote, like they did when May ascended to the throne. If Boris endorses a candidate that will boost their chances with a few MPs and with a lot of the membership - if that is Mordaunt she may have a chance. Wallace appears popular but only because so far no-one seems to know what his position is on any issue at all except Ukraine. Zahawi is not a serious candidate. Baker likewise. So, Sunak or Truss I suppose. Sunak is perceived to be in Cummings' pocket, plus all his non-dom problems. So Truss I'd guess. Lord Frost would walk it if he were an MP - next time.
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2022 18:11:55 GMT
Ben Wallace is competent but he's rumoured to be after the top job at NATO which might rule him out.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 8, 2022 18:16:49 GMT
And then there were three...Suella, Tom and Rishi. Isn't it supposed to be the Labour Party that's progressive? Liz Truss might not have declared yet but one of her supporters said on the radio this morning that she’s definitely standing.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 18:18:36 GMT
Ben Wallace is competent but he's rumoured to be after the top job at NATO which might rule him out. the French have vetoed that idea
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 8, 2022 19:00:28 GMT
No-one from the left of the party can win with the members. Tugendhat and Hunt therefore have no chance unless they fix it so that the MPs agree a single candidate so it doesn't have to go to a members vote, like they did when May ascended to the throne. If Boris endorses a candidate that will boost their chances with a few MPs and with a lot of the membership - if that is Mordaunt she may have a chance. Wallace appears popular but only because so far no-one seems to know what his position is on any issue at all except Ukraine. Zahawi is not a serious candidate. Baker likewise. So, Sunak or Truss I suppose. Sunak is perceived to be in Cummings' pocket, plus all his non-dom problems. So Truss I'd guess. Lord Frost would walk it if he were an MP - next time. A right wing candidate would win, again? Suprises me that
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 19:10:59 GMT
One name I hadn't expected to see as a possible candidate is Kemi Badenoch. She doesn't have the base to mount a real challenge but she is capable and deserving of promotion.
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2022 19:50:11 GMT
No-one from the left of the party can win with the members. Tugendhat and Hunt therefore have no chance unless they fix it so that the MPs agree a single candidate so it doesn't have to go to a members vote, like they did when May ascended to the throne. If Boris endorses a candidate that will boost their chances with a few MPs and with a lot of the membership - if that is Mordaunt she may have a chance. Wallace appears popular but only because so far no-one seems to know what his position is on any issue at all except Ukraine. Zahawi is not a serious candidate. Baker likewise. So, Sunak or Truss I suppose. Sunak is perceived to be in Cummings' pocket, plus all his non-dom problems. So Truss I'd guess. Lord Frost would walk it if he were an MP - next time. A right wing candidate would win, again? Suprises me that Membership polling shows Hunt losing against every other serious candidate if it goes to the membership. Tugendhat would do even worse - for example the fact he has French dual nationality counts against him with the membership due to a perceived conflict of interest. But Wallace might be a left-wing candidate, like I said no-one really knows. Sunak isn’t really from the right of the party, he could easily win. Not sure if Javid will stand.
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2022 19:55:51 GMT
Sunak vs Mordaunt would be an interesting prospect. It's insane that the Tories will either have their first non white leader and PM and third female leader and PM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 20:01:20 GMT
Sunak vs Mordaunt would be an interesting prospect. It's insane that the Tories will either have their first non white leader and PM and third female leader and PM. People always seem to go on about the tories being this or that, but they have had a much more diverse range of leaders and MPs and also legalised same sex marriage. As it stands I want Sunak, he is also the most statesman like of all the candidates that I can see. After years of the mess that is Boris on the world stage, it would be good to have someone serious and more professional. Whatever his downsides I do at least trust sunak to be that
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2022 20:09:46 GMT
I meant to mention on the Tugendhat dual-citizenship thing - there are loads of countries where dual-citizens are banned from holding *any* public office including PM/President. There are also loads where dual-citizenship itself is banned. So it is not a concern specific to Conservative members.
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Post by Jan on Jul 8, 2022 20:14:10 GMT
Sunak vs Mordaunt would be an interesting prospect. It's insane that the Tories will either have their first non white leader and PM and third female leader and PM. People always seem to go on about the tories being this or that, but they have had a much more diverse range of leaders and MPs and also legalised same sex marriage. As it stands I want Sunak, he is also the most statesman like of all the candidates that I can see. After years of the mess that is Boris on the world stage, it would be good to have someone serious and more professional. Whatever his downsides I do at least trust sunak to be that Wallace voted against legalising same sex marriage incidentally, so that’s one thing we *do* know about him.
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Post by Jon on Jul 8, 2022 20:15:51 GMT
Mordaunt does has the dubious honour of having appeared on reality TV. She did ITV's Splash back in 2014.
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Post by alece10 on Jul 8, 2022 20:27:27 GMT
People always seem to go on about the tories being this or that, but they have had a much more diverse range of leaders and MPs and also legalised same sex marriage. As it stands I want Sunak, he is also the most statesman like of all the candidates that I can see. After years of the mess that is Boris on the world stage, it would be good to have someone serious and more professional. Whatever his downsides I do at least trust sunak to be that Wallace voted against legalising same sex marriage incidentally, so that’s one thing we *do* know about him. Probably most of the tories did and voted for Section 28.
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Post by xanady on Jul 8, 2022 21:26:43 GMT
Nadine Dorries is standing…Go Nads 😂
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 8, 2022 23:21:02 GMT
Wallace voted against legalising same sex marriage incidentally, so that’s one thing we *do* know about him. Probably most of the tories did and voted for Section 28. There are not that many MPs left who were sitting in 1987/8 when that legislation was going through the House
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Post by vdcni on Jul 9, 2022 4:09:46 GMT
Though quite a few Tory MPs who voted against its repeal in 2003 are still around.
Graham Brady for one.
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Post by vdcni on Jul 9, 2022 4:16:54 GMT
Sunak vs Mordaunt would be an interesting prospect. It's insane that the Tories will either have their first non white leader and PM and third female leader and PM. People always seem to go on about the tories being this or that, but they have had a much more diverse range of leaders and MPs and also legalised same sex marriage. As it stands I want Sunak, he is also the most statesman like of all the candidates that I can see. After years of the mess that is Boris on the world stage, it would be good to have someone serious and more professional. Whatever his downsides I do at least trust sunak to be that More Tories voted no to same sex marriage than yes. The Lib Dems pushed it during the coalition and they and Labour were the parties who voted for it to a much greater extent.
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Post by karloscar on Jul 9, 2022 7:39:50 GMT
A trustworthy Tory... Well there's an oxymoron if ever there was one. Sorting the chuff from the chaff is going to be mighty tricky. So many dodgy opinions, unsavoury alliances and frankly weirdly conflicting beliefs. Who is the least worst option? Haven't a clue.
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Post by Jan on Jul 9, 2022 7:49:57 GMT
Badenoch and Braverman join the fray. The former is interesting and may play a role.
I’m assuming when Wallace’s policies are known they will be unacceptable to either the MPs or the members. If so I see no route at all for a middle-aged white man to win. This isn’t due to positive discrimination, just due to opportunity and ability. If Labour were running a leadership contest things would probably look different.
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Post by karloscar on Jul 9, 2022 9:32:29 GMT
Badenoch has tried to promotethe transphobic ( and despite their protests homophobic)LGB-Alliance, and Sulala Braverman is "antiwoke" and would bring back Section 28 in a second. Dangerous!
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Post by The Matthew on Jul 9, 2022 9:54:07 GMT
I'd accept pretty much anyone who doesn't want to strip people of their rights. If you start finding that human rights get in the way of your policies it's time to consider the possibility that you may actually be the baddie.
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Post by Jon on Jul 9, 2022 10:08:25 GMT
It's just occurred to me that Boris won't be able to skulk off into the sunset after he resigns because as a former PM, he'll have to go to events involving past PMs like Remembrance Sunday.
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Post by Jan on Jul 9, 2022 10:12:29 GMT
It's just occurred to me that Boris won't be able to skulk off into the sunset after he resigns because as a former PM, he'll have to go to events involving past PMs like Remembrance Sunday. Where he'll join fellow failures Brown, Cameron and May. So no problem.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 9, 2022 10:20:26 GMT
Badenoch and Braverman join the fray. The former is interesting and may play a role. I’m assuming when Wallace’s policies are known they will be unacceptable to either the MPs or the members. If so I see no route at all for a middle-aged white man to win. This isn’t due to positive discrimination, just due to opportunity and ability. If Labour were running a leadership contest things would probably look different. I know you were talking non-middle aged white men, but I was thinking ability this morning. 1990 leadership race contained Margaret Thatcher, Michael Heseltine, Douglas Hurd and John Major. I know the party has lurched to the right and the last prime minister probably filled the cabinet with yes men but 1990 was heavy weight. Not too much talent to select from
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Post by Jan on Jul 9, 2022 10:29:28 GMT
Badenoch and Braverman join the fray. The former is interesting and may play a role. I’m assuming when Wallace’s policies are known they will be unacceptable to either the MPs or the members. If so I see no route at all for a middle-aged white man to win. This isn’t due to positive discrimination, just due to opportunity and ability. If Labour were running a leadership contest things would probably look different. I know you were talking non-middle aged white men, but I was thinking ability this morning. 1990 leadership race contained Margaret Thatcher, Michael Heseltine, Douglas Hurd and John Major. I know the party has lurched to the right and the last prime minister probably filled the cabinet with yes men but 1990 was heavy weight. Not too much talent to select from Major was hopeless, but I agree in general. Same with Labour. Their best candidate in terms of broad appeal, Burnham, isn't even an MP. A very professional slick operation from Team Sunak with websites and videos and so on. That will count heavily against him with both MPs and members.
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Post by Jon on Jul 9, 2022 10:49:11 GMT
I think appearances is everything when it comes to politics and someone like Sunak or Mordaunt would appeal more to voters than someone like Ben Wallace.
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Post by TallPaul on Jul 9, 2022 11:13:22 GMT
Right, let's clear a couple of things up.
Firstly, apart from a brave handful, very few Board members were complaining about human rights when our lives were heavily restricted. Quite the opposite, in fact. The demand was always for more restrictions and compulsory vaccinations.
Secondly, with the highest tax burden since the war, a belief in big state and all the net zero nonsense, the very idea that this is a right wing government is for the fairies.
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