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Post by Hamilton Addict on May 20, 2016 20:14:25 GMT
Shoes For Rent, Laura tweeted about you!
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 20, 2016 20:17:41 GMT
^ yep... and I'm affraid I unfollowed her- I think she is a great talent, and was a great fan of her twitter personality- love me some snark and sass.. but learning that she didn't joke...shame this is her take on theatre etiquette..
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Post by Hamilton Addict on May 20, 2016 20:29:57 GMT
^ yep... and I'm affraid I unfollowed her- I think she is a great talent, and was a great fan of her twitter personality- love me some snark and sass.. but learning that she didn't joke...shame this is her take on theatre etiquette.. You're famous now!! When I go to She Loves Me, I'm scared if I don't clap and smile I'll be angrily tweeted about!
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 20, 2016 20:33:19 GMT
Not what I wanted to be known for (lol thank god it's all somewhat anonymous), but I just disagree with their sentiment... someone needed to say it I think..
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Post by The Matthew on May 20, 2016 20:46:26 GMT
I then assume he asked one of the cast members and he said this: 'I wholeheartedly agree with her! There was one guy in the front row (I think) just sitting there glaring with his arms crossed. I mean, the actors can see you guys out there in the audience... It throws them off. And why waste $150 on a ticket if you're not going to enjoy a live show? Stay at home! I'm with Laura on this one.' Of course. It's so simple. From now on I'll check with future me to find out how things went before I make plans, just to make sure I don't plan anything that I won't enjoy.
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Post by Michael on May 20, 2016 20:47:19 GMT
No-one is obliged to applaud. If you didn't like or enjoy what you just saw, don't clap, it's as easy as that.
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Post by d'James on May 20, 2016 20:48:02 GMT
Wow. I want to go to see Carrie in a show in the front row and turn my back on her when she comes on for her bow; then she'll learn a bit more about courtesy. Almost tempted to end my Twitter break to say something to her. What an entitled little madam.
Maybe some people are applauding through relief that it's over. Haha.
(P.S. What did Frances say?)
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 20, 2016 20:55:32 GMT
Wow. I want to go to see Carrie in a show in the front row and turn my back on her when she comes on for her bow; then she'll learn a bit more about courtesy. Almost tempted to end my Twitter break to say something to her. What an entitled little madam. Maybe some people are applauding through relief that it's over. Haha. (P.S. What did Frances say?) Frances said she didn't like the Les Mis performance at the Oliviers last year (or two years ago) and her comment was something along the lines of " no life behind the eyes, didn't believe it" to which Carrie responded it was sad to see someone she looked up to say that (never forgetting to mention she played little Eponine) and thank god they won the award moments later to help forget such remarks (paraphrasing slightly)
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Post by d'James on May 20, 2016 21:00:39 GMT
Maybe Frances shouldn't have said that but get over it. It's just one person's opinion. Also comments like that, people not clapping etc. are surely ways for people and shows to look for ways to improve - unless the believe they're perfect already.
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Post by theatremadness on May 20, 2016 21:25:58 GMT
Wow. I want to go to see Carrie in a show in the front row and turn my back on her when she comes on for her bow; then she'll learn a bit more about courtesy. Almost tempted to end my Twitter break to say something to her. What an entitled little madam. Are you Sheridan Smith?!?!?!
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Post by ali973 on May 20, 2016 21:34:39 GMT
This entitlement running amok. I RARELY clap during the show unless the performance is unbelievably amazing. I normally only clap at curtain calls.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 21:45:26 GMT
Social media really does show up how precious, entitled etc some performers are. I've unfollowed so many over the years. Recently Michael xavier for being sensitive to someone's tweet and posting it on Instagram. The poor person was from Spain (I think) so didn't have English as their first language. They basically said although it was a great performance it wasn't as magical and special as they had expected due to no Glenn close. He took offence and said they were contradicting themselves etc. It just seemed unnecessary
Likewise here, picking out one audience member who didn't clap...just one. There is every possibility that for a medical reason they can't clap. But no, that won't have crossed their minds. Actors do a great job in entertaining an audience, but let's face it they aren't saving lives here. They are paid to do a job. Imagine going into most other jobs and demanding additional priase every day.
I usually clap but if I haven't enjoyed something I wouldn't clap.
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Post by synchrony on May 20, 2016 22:14:25 GMT
I'd clap at the end of most shows as I've very rarely seen anything that truly has NOTHING to appreciate. I do also think applauding at the end is polite. However, the length and enthusiasm of my clapping does vary greatly depending on how much I liked the show.
I would clap after specific numbers only if the performance is good AND the show invites applause at that time and it feels 'right' in context. So I would certainly applaud after 'Rose's Turn', for example. But I wouldn't applaud after a song like 'The Word of Your Body'; it would seem weird however well it was sung.
I ovate only for things I find truly exceptional. I have no qualms about remaining seated when everyone else is on their feet. I have also been one of only two people at a performance ovating. If I don't ovate, I may well still have enjoyed the performance a lot though.
Slightly off topic... It bugs me when people clap on planes when they land. This never used to happen?!
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Post by kathryn on May 20, 2016 22:18:27 GMT
Frankly I thought She Loves Me was pretty poor - but I did clap politely at the curtain call. That's what it's for.
Clapping in the middle of the show for a solo should mean that you were extra blown away by what just happened, surely you can't demand it as a mere politeness or it loses all meaning?! I would have thought performers would rather know that spontaneous mid-show applause is heartfelt instead of perfunctory.
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Post by d'James on May 20, 2016 22:22:22 GMT
I'd clap at the end of most shows as I've very rarely seen anything that truly has NOTHING to appreciate. I do also think applauding at the end is polite. However, the length and enthusiasm of my clapping does vary greatly depending on how much I liked the show. I would clap after specific numbers only if the performance is good AND the show invites applause at that time and it feels 'right' in context. So I would certainly applaud after 'Rose's Turn', for example. But I wouldn't applaud after a song like 'The Word of Your Body'; it would seem weird however well it was sung. I ovate only for things I find truly exceptional. I have no qualms about remaining seated when everyone else is on their feet. I have also been one of only two people at a performance ovating. If I don't ovate, I may well still have enjoyed the performance a lot though. Slightly off topic... It bugs me when people clap on planes when they land. This never used to happen?! Someone's been watching some Dame Edna!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 21, 2016 8:11:51 GMT
Wow. Carrie Hope-Fletcher though.
How on EARTH would these people survive in the outside world?
Sit down dear. And zip it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 21, 2016 8:19:58 GMT
I think we need a "Bad behaviour by actors" thread
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 21, 2016 10:49:44 GMT
I wouldn't come in contact with miss Fletcher because I just said this- (in response to her saying she thanks her bus driver) -do you thank him every time the bus stops? or just when its your stop to get off? that's what curtain is for and -It's such a me me me I deserve praise attitude- no one clapped for me at the military, we worked just as hard I think
to which she blocked me... ha! then she tweets this:
so one audience member not clapping= the death of courtesy, respect and kindness...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 10:51:27 GMT
I then assume he asked one of the cast members and he said this: 'I wholeheartedly agree with her! There was one guy in the front row (I think) just sitting there glaring with his arms crossed. I mean, the actors can see you guys out there in the audience... It throws them off. And why waste $150 on a ticket if you're not going to enjoy a live show? Stay at home! I'm with Laura on this one.' Are they policing our arm positions now? 9 times out of 10 I sit with my arms crossed, because I simply don't have anywhere else to put them! It doesn't MEAN anything, it's just something to do that's not elbowing the people next to me or fiddling with my hair or constantly twitching for any other reason!
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Post by kathryn on May 21, 2016 11:02:33 GMT
Not to mention facial expressions! Some people suffer from 'resting bitch-face' - it's nothing personal, it's just how your face looks when you are not smiling.
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Post by Xanderl on May 21, 2016 11:20:33 GMT
Perhaps he did applaud but only briefly, so she didn't catch the clap
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Post by Hamilton Addict on May 21, 2016 11:46:07 GMT
I think it's really good that we're being taught about theatre etiquette. We all must keep to the rules of smiling, not having our arms crossed and applaud after every song. If you don't like it, tough, you should've known before the show that it wouldn't be good. If you disobey these rules, you will be angrily tweeted about!
*sigh*
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 12:43:30 GMT
Yup I'm in the 'entitled and insecure' camp here. Saw it last night and thought "Really?"
I will say that I always applaud at the end out of courtesty, because usually even in a crappy show there are people doing a good/decent job, and end applause to my mind is for everyone (musicians, backstage crew etc). But it's often the very definition of 'polite' applause.
I certainly object to the idea that I should give crazy applause to someone for a solo. Um doing the solo is why you were employed? and sure if it's AMAZING I'll be moved to appalud, but frankly I'm with TheatreMonkey, it'd all go a lot faster (and stay in the world of the show) if we didn't applaud after every single thing.
And don't get me started on 'entrance applause' in America. Well done "famous" person you showed up to work...
ETA: When Carrie comes to Cardiff I hope she follows the bus driver thanking protcol of saying 'Thanks Drive' because that's how we do it here.
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Post by d'James on May 21, 2016 12:47:30 GMT
I wouldn't come in contact with miss Fletcher because I just said this- (in response to her saying she thanks her bus driver) -do you thank him every time the bus stops? or just when its your stop to get off? that's what curtain is for and -It's such a me me me I deserve praise attitude- no one clapped for me at the military, we worked just as hard I think to which she blocked me... ha! then she tweets this: so one audience member not clapping= the death of courtesy, respect and kindness... entitled brat- god I really hope she is never cast in anything again Yeah, that bus comment was my fault I think.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 21, 2016 12:55:00 GMT
There is a difference between thanking the bus driver as you get of the bus, and getting applauded after EVERY solo you sing on stage... Like I said, I doubt people jump up from their seats every time the bus comes to a halt and shout "thank you driver" or clap at him...
I have no doubt she thanks drivers- its just not the same as appluase
ETA: djames- did she respond to you tweet? If its the one I think it is you were absolutely right...
Also apperently Benanti was asked by the roundabout theatre company to take the tweet down and refused
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Post by d'James on May 21, 2016 13:05:57 GMT
Yeah. The bus driver/waitress tweets were replies to my long tweet.
I really hate that she says/thinks she is standing up for courtesy.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 21, 2016 13:14:00 GMT
I think this is the last I'll say on this subject because she really makes my blood boil, but on another forum someone posted that this is such typical behaviour from oeople who have never struggled to get to where they are. Benanti landed a lead on Bway at 18 and dropped out of college. Carrie was a child actress and never really struggled to find work in entertainment. They never waited tables or stressed about paying rent or starved to make month's end. They never worked a job in which lives matter abd they responsible for them... So it must be easy to think they are just antitled to get praise for anything- because it was always there so why should bot be perfect 100% of the time? Why shouldnt everyone love and praise them unconditionally (in the name of kindness none the less)?
I don't claim to know their lives or struggles, but it's something someone pointed out and I have to agree.
I was a huge fan of Laura, I love her sense of humor, but this whole thing just turned me off.. and I was never a fan of Carrie and this just strengthened that.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 13:22:44 GMT
Yes! as much as I do sometimes like Carrie, that element of her personality makes my blood boil. She talks often about how much she 'struggled' to get where she was, when in reality she was a child actress whose famous brother paid for her to go to private school and then instead of going to University/drama school she "wrote a musical" with her brother that never saw the light of day. And don't tell me the rest of us who have books hidden in a sock draw would have got 2 book deals before 30 without a lot of legs up along the way?
It sounds like I'm bitching about her brother, but I actually have a lot of respect for Tom Fletcher-yes he got lucky that the band he was in when he was a teenager made it big, but he seems to have worked hard on various things since then and always seems incredibly gratful for where he's gotten!
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Post by Coated on May 21, 2016 14:00:18 GMT
I think that clapping needs to be seen in the same way as puppy training. If your puppy pees on the sofa, you should not respond by giving it a highly sought after treat.
So yes, I'm one of the people who is perfectly happy to not clap when I can't see any redeeming features in a show. There is also a point where I get very tired of hearing how actors/singers/dancers 'have given so much and worked so hard'. That's their job, and the reason why I pay for tickets.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 21, 2016 14:39:31 GMT
And don't tell me the rest of us who have books hidden in a sock draw would have got 2 book deals before 30 without a lot of legs up along the way? I certainly didn't get where I am today without lots of legs up!
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