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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 25, 2020 20:08:09 GMT
They’re bloody annoying..
Cassie in A Chorus Line? Dr Dillamond in Wicked? Cosette in Les Mis?
Let rip...
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Post by kimbahorel on May 25, 2020 21:31:10 GMT
Phantom he is a predator for a start and to be honest I am not keen on Raoul. I have some of my fave (and well not currently but as it stood) played or covered Raoul (West End and Tour). So I def just don't like the characters that much.
Also Chris in Miss Saigon everyone hates Ellen but I feel sorry for her.
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Post by stagebyte on May 25, 2020 22:15:35 GMT
King George in Hamilton practically chews the scenery. Only songs I skip in Hamilton at the sheer memory of it. Gavroche with his mockney cockney and little Cosette with the excruciating RP caaaaastle on a cloud. Similarly Matilda with her clipped Ts and Ds sooo annoying Lauren - Kinky boots - toe curling awkwardness but for the audience
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Post by cheesy116 on May 25, 2020 22:24:07 GMT
Ellen in Miss Saigon, right at the top of my list.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 26, 2020 8:44:26 GMT
Eliza’s father in My Fair Lady. I’ve only seen the film but every time he comes into the story, which is far too often, he kills its stone dead.
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Post by zak97 on May 26, 2020 9:13:19 GMT
Kim - Miss Saigon
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 9:21:43 GMT
The most famous one of all - The Phantom.
I have never been able to get past the fact that he's a murderer.
Much preferred his more mellow self in the first iteration of Love Never Dies (helped by Ramin's muscles, voice and general fancyability) and was a shame when ALW bowed to peer pressure and advice from Uncle Bill and nastied him up again.
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Post by crabtree on May 26, 2020 9:32:50 GMT
The 'Maid' in La Cage.
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Post by crabtree on May 26, 2020 9:33:35 GMT
Actually, I'd add Dolly Levi.....controversial?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 9:51:37 GMT
To be honest I dislike both the Phantom and Christine - the only thing that saves that musical for me is the music (and even then, I’m only a fan of the music from act one). The Phantom is a murdering psychopath and Christine is an utter wet blanket.
Not a fan of the Engineer in Miss Saigon either - he treats the girls horribly and yet somehow we are supposed to warm to him enough to warrant giving him the big 11 o’clock number?
Jane and Michael Banks - I’m with Katie Nanna: utter brats.
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Post by sleepflower on May 26, 2020 9:53:19 GMT
Marius is a major drip...reminds me of how annoying people get when they're 'in love'!
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Post by daisy24601 on May 26, 2020 10:32:17 GMT
Cosette and Marius are so wet, I always zone out a bit when they're on. At least Marius gets a redeeming moment with Empty Chairs.
I've only seen Waitress once but found Dawn very irritating.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 26, 2020 10:37:39 GMT
Marius is a major drip...reminds me of how annoying people get when they're 'in love'! Hmmm yes. Joe Gillis turns unto a wet lettuce when he finally gets into Betty Schaefer.
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Post by partytentdown on May 26, 2020 10:41:15 GMT
Nicola in Kinky Boots Maureen in Rent Jamie and Kathy in The Last Five Years
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Post by anthony40 on May 26, 2020 10:43:31 GMT
George in Aspects of Love
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Post by anthony40 on May 26, 2020 10:44:46 GMT
Eliza’s father in My Fair Lady. I’ve only seen the film but every time he comes into the story, which is far too often, he kills its stone dead. Yeah but he's there to remind the audience where Eliza has come from and how far she has come.
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Post by TallPaul on May 26, 2020 10:50:06 GMT
Eliza’s father in My Fair Lady. I’ve only seen the film but every time he comes into the story, which is far too often, he kills its stone dead. Yeah but he's there to remind the audience where Eliza has come from and how far she has come. Let's give the poor chap his proper name, shall we - Alfred Dolittle. Maybe it's Stanley Holloway's portrayal you can't stand, BurlyBeaR?
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Post by originalconceptlive on May 26, 2020 11:01:50 GMT
Flounder in The Little Mermaid. I read the libretto recently via www.mtishows.com/news/tag/free-read, and he pretty much only exists to unconvincingly let slip secrets to other characters and thereby creakily move the plot along.
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Post by David J on May 26, 2020 11:03:52 GMT
I can't stand all the adult cats who despise Grizabella (the young ones at least want to approach her) for the vaguest of reasons.
Sure, it is the flaw of the musical that nothing is explained well but we're talking about the majority of the cats we're following for the whole musical and how am I supposed to relate to them when I don't get why they hate Grizabella.
Is it because she left? What does glamour cat mean exactly? Why is that a terrible thing for cats? Does it mean she likes to be glamorous and is proud of it? - says the cats who act high and mighty most of the time
If the musical is going to make a song and dance about Grizabella at least explain! Does the film explain?
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Post by poster J on May 26, 2020 11:27:01 GMT
Cosette and Marius are so wet, I always zone out a bit when they're on. At least Marius gets a redeeming moment with Empty Chairs. I've only seen Waitress once but found Dawn very irritating. agree on Marius and Cosette. I found all the characters in Waitress very irritating, the doctor especially.
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Post by the_f_g_p on May 26, 2020 12:53:32 GMT
Second this! George in Aspects of Love
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Post by danb on May 26, 2020 13:11:39 GMT
Yeah but he's there to remind the audience where Eliza has come from and how far she has come. Let's give the poor chap his proper name, shall we - Alfred Dolittle. Maybe it's Stanley Holloway's portrayal you can't stand, BurlyBeaR? Well, I couldn’t take to Dennis Waterman's Alfred at the NT either.
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Post by TallPaul on May 26, 2020 13:34:32 GMT
Let's give the poor chap his proper name, shall we - Alfred Dolittle. Maybe it's Stanley Holloway's portrayal you can't stand, BurlyBeaR? Well, I couldn’t take to Dennis Waterman's Alfred at the NT either. No, I know what you mean. When I saw him at Drury Lane, I kept thinking, "That's Minder, that is." 🙂
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Post by johartuk on May 26, 2020 14:42:39 GMT
I can't stand all the adult cats who despise Grizabella (the young ones at least want to approach her) for the vaguest of reasons. Sure, it is the flaw of the musical that nothing is explained well but we're talking about the majority of the cats we're following for the whole musical and how am I supposed to relate to them when I don't get why they hate Grizabella. Is it because she left? What does glamour cat mean exactly? Why is that a terrible thing for cats? Does it mean she likes to be glamorous and is proud of it? - says the cats who act high and mighty most of the time If the musical is going to make a song and dance about Grizabella at least explain! Does the film explain? Yes, that one confuses me. I thought maybe it was because all the other cats have humans and homes, even Gus and Skimbleshanks, who live in a theatre and a railway station/line respectively. Grizabella seems to be a stray. Other than that, I have no idea what she's done to offend the other cats.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 14:59:14 GMT
Cosette is awful, she's just such a drip. Although once I did see a Cosette I really liked - she got really cross with Valjean at one point and stamped at him, and seemed much more human.
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Post by FrontroverPaul on May 26, 2020 15:09:59 GMT
The two spies in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I know it's a family-orientated musical but they're just too pantomime.
Not too keen on the Baron or Baroness either for similar reasons.
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Post by anthony40 on May 26, 2020 15:49:00 GMT
The two spies in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I know it's a family-orientated musical but they're just too pantomime. Not too keen on the Baron or Baroness either for similar reasons. The two spies in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I know it's a family-orientated musical but they're just too pantomime. Yes! Definitely! I never saw the most recent Palladium version as I hadn't as yet arrived in London but I have 'The Making of' DVD and the cast recording and from this- and the film too- I feel the same way. Again, I can't comment on the recent Palladium production but I love them in the film- especially their interaction together.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 10:37:00 GMT
I was always terrified of the Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
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Post by viserys on May 27, 2020 11:01:50 GMT
I can't stand all the adult cats who despise Grizabella (the young ones at least want to approach her) for the vaguest of reasons. Sure, it is the flaw of the musical that nothing is explained well but we're talking about the majority of the cats we're following for the whole musical and how am I supposed to relate to them when I don't get why they hate Grizabella. Is it because she left? What does glamour cat mean exactly? Why is that a terrible thing for cats? Does it mean she likes to be glamorous and is proud of it? - says the cats who act high and mighty most of the time If the musical is going to make a song and dance about Grizabella at least explain! Does the film explain? Yes, that one confuses me. I thought maybe it was because all the other cats have humans and homes, even Gus and Skimbleshanks, who live in a theatre and a railway station/line respectively. Grizabella seems to be a stray. Other than that, I have no idea what she's done to offend the other cats. I'd give two reasons: The "kinder" explanation (for the other cats) is that Grizabella was a haughty "glamour puss" who thought very highly of herself while she was in her glory days and it's now a "look how the mighty have fallen" disgust and the others not forgiving her for her earlier uppity attitude (think of many C-list celebs who turn their back to the normal world they came from, think they're suddenly a cut above them and when they've fallen by the wayside and try to return, realize they have alienated everyone at home). The other "crueler" explanation: They are just disgusted by a formerly "gorgeous" glamourous cat, who's now old and scruffy, just like humanity often goes "ugh, have you seen what has become of her? Awful!" (and it's usually her, rarely him, men can go wrinkly and bald all they like). The line in her short poem goes "The postman sighed as he scratched his head: 'You'd really had thought, she'd ought to be dead'". Then of course the poems were written in early 20th century, when there was a whole other attitude towards prostitution and "loose women" who were out to have a good time (and not nicely married, staying at home to serve their husbands and masters), so this might also be reflected in the other cats' attitude, even though the show is somewhat timeless. Also don't forget that Grizabella used to look a lot scruffier in her earlier 80s version with the unkempt curly mop of "hair" (fur?) and played by older singers. I personally really can't get behind the "new look Grizabella" being played by extremely good-looking youngish performers like Nicole Scherzinger and that new glossy sleek wig she wears.
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Post by greeny11 on May 27, 2020 12:04:43 GMT
I have gone for characters in shows that I actually really enjoy.
Certain portrayals of Jamie in Everybodys Talking About Jamie Patty in School of Rock Nicola in Kinky Boots Certain portrayals of the Phantom in POTO Amber in Hairspray
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