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Jan 14, 2020 10:17:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 10:17:39 GMT
Oh I dunno, there are tonnes of mediocre films out there that have one really standout performance in them that make them and that get nominations, that doesn't mean they should get Best Picture or Director awards based on a single performance. In the end it is all subjective to us mere mortals and it is certainly an old boys club. [snip] I haven't seen Little Women but it hasn't been nominated for Director anywhere, so obviously the Oscar judges are not the only ones who think it didn't deserve it. Having said that, my constant refrain with awards is that they're nonsense, designed to make a big noise to call attention to the industry itself, and if actual noteworthy work gets rewarded it's more of a happy accident than an indication that awards are worthwhile. People will remember the films and performances that made an impact on them regardless of how many awards they won. In fact, after a couple of years no-one outside of awards nerd even remembers who won what. I was surprised the other day to be reminded that Pheonix didn't win Best Actor for Walk The Line. This of course, in theory, is true. Anyone that pays attention to awards season knows that it's rarely the best films and performances that get the recognition. Unfortunately, it is still important because a Best Picture nomination will make people go and see your film. At a time when most wont go to the cinema unless it's to see the latest superhero film or blockbuster, smaller films and more intimate stories look for awards attention to encourage people that there is other stuff out there worth spending your money on. And if you direct an Oscar nominated film, you're more likely to be given an opportunity to direct a significant project again. Which is why its important for women and people of colour - who are often given less opportunities in the first place - to be given this recognition whenever possible.
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Jan 14, 2020 14:17:53 GMT
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Post by poster J on Jan 14, 2020 14:17:53 GMT
How on earth is it relevant that there have been film versions of Little Women before? I am sure it will be a good film but not as good as the 94 version or the 49 version. I will watch it as the story is a classic and no doubt it deserves it’s nominations. I find it hilarious how you are so certain it won't be as good when you haven't even seen it!
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Jan 14, 2020 14:51:28 GMT
Post by perfectspy on Jan 14, 2020 14:51:28 GMT
I am sure it will be a good film but not as good as the 94 version or the 49 version. I will watch it as the story is a classic and no doubt it deserves it’s nominations. I find it hilarious how you are so certain it won't be as good when you haven't even seen it! I’m sure nearly everyone that has taken part in this thread hasn’t seen all the nominated films either. The 1949 version is a classic that will take some beating.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 14, 2020 14:53:13 GMT
I haven't seen Little Women because it doesn't interest me, it never has in any version, though I do like some of the actress's in this one (as opposed to Wynona Ryder which is why I didn't see the last one) so I may see it eventually on streaming.
In the end as someone said above, it doesn't matter really, awards are all bollocks which is why I don't know why everyone gets so butthurt about it. I imagine as a film maker that your film being a success and people actually seeing it is the most important thing. Sure it is nice to win things, but surely having the people who actually paid money to watch your film and enjoyed it is the main thing.
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Jan 14, 2020 15:06:57 GMT
Post by kathryn on Jan 14, 2020 15:06:57 GMT
intoanewlife FYI, Greta Gerwig was nominated in 2017 for Lady Bird.
(Edited as the post was changed as I was writing mine.) Do you watch many films? Because you don't seem particularly well-informed. From this year's batch of nominees I still need to see The Irishman, Parasite, Harriet, Bombshell, A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood, Richard Jewell, and The Lighthouse to cover the headline categories. Which says something about the lack of variety among films being nominated.
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Jan 14, 2020 15:34:47 GMT
Post by thebroadwayboy on Jan 14, 2020 15:34:47 GMT
I loved once upon a time in hollywood better then Django. Loved Jango though. If you go on quora there are many that love Joker. I refuse to see it
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Jan 14, 2020 15:35:34 GMT
Post by thebroadwayboy on Jan 14, 2020 15:35:34 GMT
I was happy for Leo and Brad in Once upon a Time hope Leo wins
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Jan 14, 2020 15:36:33 GMT
Post by thebroadwayboy on Jan 14, 2020 15:36:33 GMT
Brad Pitt was amazing
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Jan 14, 2020 15:45:53 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 14, 2020 15:45:53 GMT
intoanewlife FYI, Greta Gerwig was nominated in 2017 for Lady Bird.
(Edited as the post was changed as I was writing mine.) Do you watch many films? Because you don't seem particularly well-informed. From this year's batch of nominees I still need to see The Irishman, Parasite, Harriet, Bombshell, A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood, Richard Jewell, and The Lighthouse to cover the headline categories. Which says something about the lack of variety among films being nominated. I was just kidding of course, which is why I edited my post I'll ignore your next comment... I probably watch 5 or so a day at the moment as I'm not back at work yet...but usually at least 10 a week. The problem with the directing category now is that they have 10 BP nominations and only 5 Director nominations. This was done to add a few 'box office' friendly films into the mix even though they will never actually win to bring in tv viewers. So those categories are never going to align again like they used to and people will always 'fall off' the list. Maybe voters thought it was the other Greta and well... I actually thought Bombshell was pretty good and should've got a BP nod as was The Lighthouse which also should've been nominated. But hey my opinion means little. I can't even remember the last time I agreed with a Best Picture winner. I have seen a lot of the nominees apart from the ones I have no interest in seeing. I don't watch something just because its been nominated. I don't care that much about it. I won't be watching Harriet because I will never support anything that particular actress is in which is a shame as the film sounds very interesting. I don't really have any interest in Marriage Story either as I have never liked a single film the director has had anything to do with. I also don't need to see another war film as long as I live. Personally I would give film and director to Parasite and Greta could've gladly have Scorsese or Tarantino's director spot film unseen as far as I am concerned, as neither of those films did a thing for me and there was nothing even remotely interesting about how either of them was directed x
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Jan 14, 2020 15:48:20 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 14, 2020 15:48:20 GMT
If you go on quora there are many that love Joker. I refuse to see it Why out of interest?
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Jan 14, 2020 16:35:02 GMT
Post by kathryn on Jan 14, 2020 16:35:02 GMT
The problem with the directing category now is that they have 10 BP nominations and only 5 Director nominations. This was done to add a few 'box office' friendly films into the mix even though they will never actually win to bring in tv viewers. So those categories are never going to align again like they used to and people will always 'fall off' the list. Yes, there is always going to be a mismatch. It's the trends in the mismatches that are interesting, as they reflect who and what the Academy really thinks are worth taking seriously. Subject matter and genre has a *lot* to do with it, as well as the interpersonal politics of the Academy - it has long been acknowledged that some voters are not really basing it on the film they just watched, but rather on a number of films they have watched over the years, and on their own personal and professional relationships. And then there's the industry politics. Bombshell is the only one I really wasn't that bothered about seeing that I will make an effort to watch now. the others I had on my to-watch list anyway. Not sure if I'll actually catch the Lighthouse in time for the Oscars - I suspect it won't get a wide enough release to make it to my local cinema.
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Jan 14, 2020 17:32:36 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 14, 2020 17:32:36 GMT
The problem with the directing category now is that they have 10 BP nominations and only 5 Director nominations. This was done to add a few 'box office' friendly films into the mix even though they will never actually win to bring in tv viewers. So those categories are never going to align again like they used to and people will always 'fall off' the list. Yes, there is always going to be a mismatch. It's the trends in the mismatches that are interesting, as they reflect who and what the Academy really thinks are worth taking seriously. Subject matter and genre has a *lot* to do with it, as well as the interpersonal politics of the Academy - it has long been acknowledged that some voters are not really basing it on the film they just watched, but rather on a number of films they have watched over the years, and on their own personal and professional relationships. And then there's the industry politics. I'd agree with all of the above. Bombshell's greatness comes from its performances. Theron IS Kelly, she is amazing. Lithgow is also suitable vile as Ailes. Robbie however has the big scenes and nails them to perfection. She is heartbreaking. It's not perfect and clearly not as informative or comprehensive as the 7 hour Loudest Voice - the guy truly was one of the most repugnant things ever to walk the earth, but it is a good representation of this particular area of his utter vileness. Lighthouse like The Witch before it, is a very singular vision carried out to perfection on screen. Much like Midsommar it is a hard watch, but it's so well realised you can't not admire it, even if you don't 'like' it.
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Jan 15, 2020 8:53:42 GMT
Post by asfound on Jan 15, 2020 8:53:42 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination? Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. Even though I enjoyed all these films (apart from Hustlers), the only female directors I think warranted a best director nomination were Céline Sciamma for Portrait of a Lady on Fire or Claire Denis for High Life, both of which got no other Oscar noms. But even then, I'm not sure which director I would replace, since I think the five in the category are all pretty much well deserved. The directing of Little Women overall didn't stand out to me - the screenplay and the acting did, and were nominated, so I think the film pretty much got the accolades it deserved. Booksmart, Hustlers and A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood were fairly middle of the road. If anything it was the Safdie Brothers (Uncut Gems), Robert Eggers (The Lighthouse), Mark Jenkin (Bait) and Bi Gan (Long Day's Journey into Night) that were snubbed for best director. Maybe they should just extend the category like Best Picture.
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Jan 15, 2020 23:27:51 GMT
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jan 15, 2020 23:27:51 GMT
Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. Even though I enjoyed all these films (apart from Hustlers), the only female directors I think warranted a best director nomination were Céline Sciamma for Portrait of a Lady on Fire or Claire Denis for High Life, both of which got no other Oscar noms. But even then, I'm not sure which director I would replace, since I think the five in the category are all pretty much well deserved. The directing of Little Women overall didn't stand out to me - the screenplay and the acting did, and were nominated, so I think the film pretty much got the accolades it deserved. Booksmart, Hustlers and A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood were fairly middle of the road. If anything it was the Safdie Brothers (Uncut Gems), Robert Eggers (The Lighthouse), Mark Jenkin (Bait) and Bi Gan (Long Day's Journey into Night) that were snubbed for best director. Maybe they should just extend the category like Best Picture. I agree that they should extend the category but I also know that if they did it would almost certainly just end up a reflection of Best Picture for the most part (in the same way both sound categories are usually mostly identical except for maybe one difference). The Academy just isn't really made up of experts. That's why it's so annoying that you know they ultimately are pointless and mean nothing but the general public hold them in the highest regard of all the awards ceremonies so you complain that they're not better but they'll never be better without systematic reform to the voting pool.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 15, 2020 23:53:37 GMT
Even though I enjoyed all these films (apart from Hustlers), the only female directors I think warranted a best director nomination were Céline Sciamma for Portrait of a Lady on Fire or Claire Denis for High Life, both of which got no other Oscar noms. But even then, I'm not sure which director I would replace, since I think the five in the category are all pretty much well deserved. The directing of Little Women overall didn't stand out to me - the screenplay and the acting did, and were nominated, so I think the film pretty much got the accolades it deserved. Booksmart, Hustlers and A Beautiful Day in the Neighbourhood were fairly middle of the road. If anything it was the Safdie Brothers (Uncut Gems), Robert Eggers (The Lighthouse), Mark Jenkin (Bait) and Bi Gan (Long Day's Journey into Night) that were snubbed for best director. Maybe they should just extend the category like Best Picture. The Academy just isn't really made up of experts. I know someone who votes... Their wife and 15 year old 'Valley Girl' daughter whose idea of quality television is The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills watch a few of the films they want to see, ignore the rest and then fill the form out and just select people they've heard of.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jan 16, 2020 0:38:23 GMT
The Academy just isn't really made up of experts. I know someone who votes... Their wife and 15 year old 'Valley Girl' daughter whose idea of quality television is The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills watch a few of the films they want to see, ignore the rest and then fill the form out and just select people they've heard of. Precisely. All you have to do is listen to voters' reasoning for their choices (especially in the more fringe categories like the shorts, technical or even animation which isn't that fringe but most admit to voting for their kid's favourite or whichever is Disney/Pixar) to realise that the Academy really has little integrity. The issue is that it's given the most weight despite that and you can't just ignore it because it really does influence how well a film does.
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Jan 16, 2020 4:38:29 GMT
Post by carmella1 on Jan 16, 2020 4:38:29 GMT
I haven’t seen all the nominated movies yet, but pleased to see Brad Pitt nominated for an acting oscar, along with Renee for Judy. Deserving wins imo. I’m not sure I can see Joker sweeping the board. It was a good film but I’m not sure it was exceptional. Nice to see De Niro in two movies nominated for best picture too, along with Netflix getting in there too with multiple movies for best picture. I haven’t seen it yet, but I can see Sam Mendes getting the director award if it’s as technically complex as I’m hearing. I think it might be Laura Dern’s then too (she’s out out some brilliant work over the last few years) along with Brad’s.... but by god, that best supporting actor category is going to be tough for any of them to win! It’s basically acting royalty right there. I am thrilled De Niro did not get nominated for that hunch backed boring role he portrayed. He is an idiot. I also found the movie about an hour and a half too long. Actually I did not like it at all.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Feb 11, 2020 0:04:32 GMT
Well they finally got it right for once (actually I loved The Shape of Water but I know it's a controversial opinion to think it deserved best picture). I'm just back from seeing Parasite about an hour ago and it was utterly brilliant and well deserved the win (I've not seen 1917 or Ford v Ferrari yet but I'm expecting they'll be well made but nothing special so I doubt my opinion on the best of the year being this film will change). See it!
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Feb 11, 2020 0:45:16 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Feb 11, 2020 0:45:16 GMT
For me it was the first Best Picture since Schindler's List to actually deserve its win. So happy for them, it's an absolutely amazing film!
The only winner I didn't agree with was Brad Pitt in OUATIH, but I thought he was so amazing in Ad Astra (which was shockingly also a fantastic film) and he'd have never beaten Phoenix in that category so I don't begrudge him his win.
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Post by duncan on Feb 11, 2020 9:32:55 GMT
Corden and Wilson taking a trip to the litter tray to poo all over the visual effects in Cats whilst presenting the actual visual effects award was a staggering misjudgement from the producers.
The only way to top that in the crassness stakes would be getting Pia Zadora to present the Oscar for Best Actor.
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Mar 15, 2021 14:12:10 GMT
Post by talkingheads on Mar 15, 2021 14:12:10 GMT
So, what do we all make of the nominations? I am quite conflicted, because the vast majority of the films haven't even been released in the UK yet. In fact this will be the first time I haven't seen all the Best Picture and Best Screenplay nominations before the awards. In the case of Promising Young Woman, there isn't even a hint of a release date, which astonishes me considering it's been available to rent in the US for months, as has Sound of Metal: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56363640
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Mar 15, 2021 14:17:08 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 14:17:08 GMT
Davis & Boseman deserve to win for their performances in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. Didn't particularly think Borat did anything interesting or nomination-worthy this time round but others have raved about it.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 15, 2021 14:20:08 GMT
Fun fact: Glenn Close is the third actor to get a nomination for both the Oscar and the Razzie Award for the same performance.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Mar 15, 2021 14:29:48 GMT
Yeah it's frustrating that loads of films aren't released here yet when there's been buzz around them in the US for half a year. I don't know why they're so adamant to push for cinema-exclusive releases in other parts of the world but are perfectly happy for streaming releases in the US, we're really not that far ahead of them when it comes to opening back up and surely the US is the bigger market to be targeting for cinema release anyway. These films are small enough that releasing them to rent probably wouldn't impact them too badly since the only people who would have seen them are likely those to stream them if it's available.
As for the nominations, there's not many surprises and nothing too egregious. The worst of it is probably that One Night in Miami and Ma Rainey's Black Bottom aren't best picture noms, Deleoy Lindo was snubbed and Lakeith Stanfield got a nom but for supporting (some of the worst category fudging I've ever seen - I guess Judas and the Black Messiah just had no lead then? Or maybe they're so bold as to convince us it was Jesse Plemons) but obviously no one wants to be up for lead against Chadwick Boseman which is understandable but it doesn't make it sound any less stupid.
Another Round is almost guaranteed its international film win - it's got so much hype behind it and I've not heard of any of the others (but that could very well be me being ignorant). The rest of the categories I'd say are more up in the air, even best actor - Boseman's still probably the front-runner but it feels less certain than it did a few months ago. I'm sure we'll all be up in arms over some decisions no matter what happens though, it's always the case and honestly a big part of the fun!
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Mar 15, 2021 14:34:40 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 15, 2021 14:34:40 GMT
Fun fact: Glenn Close is the third actor to get a nomination for both the Oscar and the Razzie Award for the same performance. The other two?
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Mar 15, 2021 14:46:05 GMT
Post by talkingheads on Mar 15, 2021 14:46:05 GMT
Well I hope that Carey Mulligan gets best Actress. Been a huge fan of hers since Doctor Who and from what I hear, Promising Young Woman is a barnstorming performance.
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Post by poster J on Mar 15, 2021 15:23:35 GMT
Chadwick Boseman is almost certain to win Best Actor. The others are all up for grabs, though I think Daniel Kaluuya will win Supporting Actor.
I'd love to see Carey Mulligan win, but I do wonder if the Academy will follow the Globes and give it to Andra Day. Frances McDormand is great but I'm not sure she really needs a third statuette so soon after her second.
Supporting actress is the intriguing one - Maria Bakalova has the momentum, but the Academy might decide it is Glenn Close's time for a performance that got decidedly mixed reviews. Colman won't win again so soon.
Nomadland and Chloe Zhao are fairly certain to win I think. It's a shame Regina King wasn't also nominated.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 15, 2021 15:33:11 GMT
Fun fact: Glenn Close is the third actor to get a nomination for both the Oscar and the Razzie Award for the same performance. The other two? Amy Irving for Yentl and James Coco for Only When I Laugh
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Post by Being Alive on Mar 17, 2021 0:46:57 GMT
Over the last two evenings I've been lucky enough to catch The Father and Nomadland - both absolutely superb films.
Nomadland for me should win Best Picture (and cinematography and director), and Frances should win best Actress. I understand the love for Carey Mulligan (and I think she's very good in Promising Young Woman) but the film is all over the shop (not in a good way). I do not understand why Emerald Fennell has been nominated for as much as she has - there's far too much going on.
Controversially, I disliked everything about Ma Rainey's Black Bottom (including everyone in it.). Chadwick is guaranteed to win but he was not good, and nor was Viola. I'd give Anthony Hopkins the award in a heartbeat - his performance in the Father is devastating and beautifully honest. Olivia Colman is also excellent (as ever) but I've not seen enough of the other nominees to say if she should win.
Going to watch Trial of the Chicago 7 and Mank in the next few days -
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Mar 17, 2021 9:33:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 9:33:55 GMT
Over the last two evenings I've been lucky enough to catch The Father and Nomadland - both absolutely superb films. Nomadland for me should win Best Picture (and cinematography and director), and Frances should win best Actress. I understand the love for Carey Mulligan (and I think she's very good in Promising Young Woman) but the film is all over the shop (not in a good way). I do not understand why Emerald Fennell has been nominated for as much as she has - there's far too much going on. Controversially, I disliked everything about Ma Rainey's Black Bottom (including everyone in it.). Chadwick is guaranteed to win but he was not good, and nor was Viola. I'd give Anthony Hopkins the award in a heartbeat - his performance in the Father is devastating and beautifully honest. Olivia Colman is also excellent (as ever) but I've not seen enough of the other nominees to say if she should win. Going to watch Trial of the Chicago 7 and Mank in the next few days - Interesting. Any particular reason? Boseman learnt to play the Trumpet specifically for that role, given everything going on behind the scenes his commitment to the role was outstanding, imo. I struggled with Mank but have no allegiance to Citizen Kane or that particular period. Felt like I've seen other Hollywood periods do it better. Oldham's drunken monologue in the 2nd half was pretty intense and his plight throughout was convincing but all this film really served to do for me was confirm that Hollywood was and still is full of sh*tbags. If that's Oscar-winning then the irony is lost on a lot of people.
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