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Jan 13, 2020 20:34:41 GMT
Post by lynette on Jan 13, 2020 20:34:41 GMT
Saw discussion starting on the Little Women thread so thought we ought to have dedicated thread. I was surprised to see that no women directors in the list....all very exclusive.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 13, 2020 21:37:56 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination?
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Jan 13, 2020 21:52:56 GMT
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Post by justfran on Jan 13, 2020 21:52:56 GMT
I feel that the nominations are fairly predictable this year. Shame not to see Taron Egerton up for leading actor. I’d rather see Adam Driver win for Marriage Story than Joaquin Phoenix. Klaus gets my vote for animated film and 1917 definitely deserves some of the technical awards.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 13, 2020 22:10:06 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination? Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head.
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Post by lynette on Jan 13, 2020 22:11:31 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination? I’ve heard people say Little Women ...but I’ve not seen it. I have seen The Irishman and imo it is too long and old fashioned, what people used to think was a good drama. Enough of glamorising the mafia.
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Jan 13, 2020 22:22:50 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 13, 2020 22:22:50 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination? I’ve heard people say Little Women ...but I’ve not seen it. I have seen The Irishman and imo it is too long and old fashioned, what people used to think was a good drama. Enough of glamorising the mafia. I actually saw The Irishman doing the opposite of glamorizing the mafia. The main character destroys his relationship with his daughter because of it, all 3 main characters end up old, infirm and ultimately completely alone because of it.
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Jan 13, 2020 22:42:54 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 13, 2020 22:42:54 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination? I’ve heard people say Little Women ...but I’ve not seen it. I have seen The Irishman and imo it is too long and old fashioned, what people used to think was a good drama. Enough of glamorising the mafia. I hated The Irishman...but I do appreciate that it is just not my kind of film. I need to care about a single person in a film to really enjoy it and I didn't care about anyone is that film. I'm yet to see Little Women.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 13, 2020 22:46:22 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination? Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. Would any of them win against their male counterparts though? Did they do a better job? We can all list of a range of women who directed films last year, but do any of them actually deserve to be nominated or is it just lip service to nominate someone just so there is a token woman in there? I think that is actually far more offensive than not nominating someone.
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Jan 13, 2020 22:47:15 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 13, 2020 22:47:15 GMT
I’ve heard people say Little Women ...but I’ve not seen it. I have seen The Irishman and imo it is too long and old fashioned, what people used to think was a good drama. Enough of glamorising the mafia. all 3 main characters end up old, infirm and ultimately completely alone because of it. Good...then there is some justice in the world x
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 23:17:46 GMT
I haven’t seen all the nominated movies yet, but pleased to see Brad Pitt nominated for an acting oscar, along with Renee for Judy. Deserving wins imo. I’m not sure I can see Joker sweeping the board. It was a good film but I’m not sure it was exceptional.
Nice to see De Niro in two movies nominated for best picture too, along with Netflix getting in there too with multiple movies for best picture. I haven’t seen it yet, but I can see Sam Mendes getting the director award if it’s as technically complex as I’m hearing.
I think it might be Laura Dern’s then too (she’s out out some brilliant work over the last few years) along with Brad’s.... but by god, that best supporting actor category is going to be tough for any of them to win! It’s basically acting royalty right there.
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Post by poster J on Jan 13, 2020 23:48:02 GMT
The acting winners are increasingly looking to be Phoenix, Zellweger, Pitt and Dern (the last two are pretty much as certain as you can get).
Pretty much everything else is still up for grabs. My suspicion is they will give Director to Tarantino (deserved or not) and might give Gerwig Adapted Screenplay as a sort-of consolation for not nominating her for directing.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Academy follows the HFPA and gives 1917 Best Film. I think The Irishman is going to be the film that ends up empty-handed.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 13, 2020 23:56:02 GMT
Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. Would any of them win against their male counterparts though? Did they do a better job? We can all list of a range of women who directed films last year, but do any of them actually deserve to be nominated or is it just lip service to nominate someone just so there is a token woman in there? I think that is actually far more offensive than not nominating someone. Well, considering that female-directed films have their actors nominated in the major acting categories, and one of them is even up for Best Picture, I’d say yes. Actors and films do not direct themselves.
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 13, 2020 23:57:41 GMT
Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. Would any of them win against their male counterparts though? Did they do a better job? We can all list of a range of women who directed films last year, but do any of them actually deserve to be nominated or is it just lip service to nominate someone just so there is a token woman in there? I think that is actually far more offensive than not nominating someone. To be honest I'd say it's more offensive to assume all the men did a better job that the women cited so there we are.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:59:49 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 13, 2020 23:59:49 GMT
I'd love Parasite to get BP and Director but I doubt it will. It certainly deserves it.
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Jan 14, 2020 0:00:50 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 14, 2020 0:00:50 GMT
Would any of them win against their male counterparts though? Did they do a better job? We can all list of a range of women who directed films last year, but do any of them actually deserve to be nominated or is it just lip service to nominate someone just so there is a token woman in there? I think that is actually far more offensive than not nominating someone. To be honest I'd say it's more offensive to assume all the men did a better job that the women cited so there we are. I didn't say that though did I x
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Jan 14, 2020 0:15:40 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 14, 2020 0:15:40 GMT
Would any of them win against their male counterparts though? Did they do a better job? We can all list of a range of women who directed films last year, but do any of them actually deserve to be nominated or is it just lip service to nominate someone just so there is a token woman in there? I think that is actually far more offensive than not nominating someone. Well, considering that female-directed films have their actors nominated in the major acting categories, and one of them is even up for Best Picture, I’d say yes. Actors and films do not direct themselves. Oh I dunno, there are tonnes of mediocre films out there that have one really standout performance in them that make them and that get nominations, that doesn't mean they should get Best Picture or Director awards based on a single performance. In the end it is all subjective to us mere mortals and it is certainly an old boys club. I enjoyed Hustlers far more than Once Upon a Time in Hollywood or The Irishman. But it's not really the kind of film that usually wins Oscars. Booksmart was also excellent, but falls into the same category. I wouldn't have given Hollywood a single nomination for anything and I think is by far Tarantino's worst film, but it has received his most nominations ever. I haven't seen Little Women but it hasn't been nominated for Director anywhere, so obviously the Oscar judges are not the only ones who think it didn't deserve it.
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Post by crowblack on Jan 14, 2020 0:22:12 GMT
'Mainstream' TV is streets ahead of 'mainstream' cinema at the moment - most of the films on today's list could have been made 30 or 40 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 1:01:36 GMT
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Jan 14, 2020 1:12:01 GMT
Post by intoanewlife on Jan 14, 2020 1:12:01 GMT
Yup I'd agree with this too. Lighthouse deserved more nods. Rebecca Ferguson also deserved a nod for Doctor Sleep, she was amazing.
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Jan 14, 2020 1:34:44 GMT
Post by perfectspy on Jan 14, 2020 1:34:44 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination? Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. None of them better then the ones nominated. How many film versions have we had of Little Women?
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Jan 14, 2020 1:44:25 GMT
Post by perfectspy on Jan 14, 2020 1:44:25 GMT
The Irishman is a solid film but not the type to rush back and watch again. Great to watch as you will probably never see that line up again.
Joker is another that is good but a little over rated. Great direction though and Phoenix was superb.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 14, 2020 4:04:39 GMT
I am very pleased for Antonio Banderas. Like Scarlett, he has finally received his first Oscar nomination. Pain And Glory was fantastic and he gave the performance of the year.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jan 14, 2020 6:07:46 GMT
Were there any female directors whose work deserved a nomination? Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. The fact that Joker is nominated over any of these films annoys the hell out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 8:04:24 GMT
Well, considering that female-directed films have their actors nominated in the major acting categories, and one of them is even up for Best Picture, I’d say yes. Actors and films do not direct themselves. I haven't seen Little Women but it hasn't been nominated for Director anywhere, so obviously the Oscar judges are not the only ones who think it didn't deserve it. Or alternatively, obviously the Oscar judges are not the only ones who’ll reward any man’s work before seeing the value in a woman’s.
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Jan 14, 2020 8:22:11 GMT
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Post by poster J on Jan 14, 2020 8:22:11 GMT
Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. None of them better then the ones nominated. How many film versions have we had of Little Women? How on earth is it relevant that there have been film versions of Little Women before?
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 14, 2020 9:12:39 GMT
Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. None of them better then the ones nominated. How many film versions have we had of Little Women? They are better than the ones nominated, at least I think so. Just because some out of touch Oscar committee doesn't want to nominate great films that fall outside their tiresomely narrow remit. Joker could win all the awards in the world, wouldn't change the fact that I found it underwhelming.
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Post by duncan on Jan 14, 2020 9:33:23 GMT
Its not a committee - its Academy Members that nominate.
I think its within their own category to get to the shortlist, so members who are editors vote for who should be nominated for Best Editor etc and then from the shortlist its all members can vote.
Either way, their view of the merits of a film are no more important than your own. So long as you enjoy a film or an individual performance is what really matters.
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Jan 14, 2020 9:38:05 GMT
Post by kathryn on Jan 14, 2020 9:38:05 GMT
Well, considering that female-directed films have their actors nominated in the major acting categories, and one of them is even up for Best Picture, I’d say yes. Actors and films do not direct themselves. Oh I dunno, there are tonnes of mediocre films out there that have one really standout performance in them that make them and that get nominations, that doesn't mean they should get Best Picture or Director awards based on a single performance. In the end it is all subjective to us mere mortals and it is certainly an old boys club. [snip] I haven't seen Little Women but it hasn't been nominated for Director anywhere, so obviously the Oscar judges are not the only ones who think it didn't deserve it. It's possible to have a stand-out performance in an otherwise mediocre film. But if a film gets 6 nominations - including lead and supporting acting categories and best picture, as well as technical categories, there is something else going on. Last year it happened with Bohemian Rhapsody because the director went AWOL from the project, had to be replaced, and was in the middle of a sex crime scandal. There are no such problems with Greta Gerwig! It's not true that she hasn't been nominated for Director anywhere for Little Women, either - several critics groups have nominated her. And you really shouldn't judge a film without seeing it - this Little Women is distinctly different from previous adaptations. Having said that, my constant refrain with awards is that they're nonsense, designed to make a big noise to call attention to the industry itself, and if actual noteworthy work gets rewarded it's more of a happy accident than an indication that awards are worthwhile. People will remember the films and performances that made an impact on them regardless of how many awards they won. In fact, after a couple of years no-one outside of awards nerd even remembers who won what. I was surprised the other day to be reminded that Pheonix didn't win Best Actor for Walk The Line.
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Jan 14, 2020 9:39:14 GMT
Post by perfectspy on Jan 14, 2020 9:39:14 GMT
None of them better then the ones nominated. How many film versions have we had of Little Women? How on earth is it relevant that there have been film versions of Little Women before? I am sure it will be a good film but not as good as the 94 version or the 49 version. I will watch it as the story is a classic and no doubt it deserves it’s nominations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 10:03:43 GMT
Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. Would any of them win against their male counterparts though? Did they do a better job? We can all list of a range of women who directed films last year, but do any of them actually deserve to be nominated or is it just lip service to nominate someone just so there is a token woman in there? I think that is actually far more offensive than not nominating someone. Based on average score, the best films released in the USA in 2019 according to film critics. The ones in bold were directed by a woman. The ones in red were nominated for Best Director. 1. Parasite2. Portrait of a Lady on Fire3. The Irishman4. Marriage Story 5. The Souvenir 6. Little Women7. Uncut Gems 8. The Farewell9. Long Day's Journey Into Night 10. Pain and Glory 39. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood1917 and Joker did not make the top 50. While there's never an accurate way of measuring 'best' when it comes to art, I'd say it seems clear that the work of Céline Sciamma, Joanna Hogg, Greta Gerwig and Lulu Wang would be more than worthy of being nominated this year. But let's say, well, Portrait of a Lady on Fire was distributed by the film studio NEON who also had Parasite and therefore gave that film a bigger campaign. Well, The Souvenir is a small British indie that audiences didn't take to in the way that critics did. Well, The Farewell is mostly in Mandarin (we'll ignore the fact that Parasite is a foreign language film) so maybe that held it back. Little Women is a six-time nominated film. It was nominated for Best Picture. It has just passed $100million in the worldwide box office on week three of its release. Audiences love it, critics love it and the Academy liked it enough to nominate it for six awards. So yes, I'm not sure how anyone could say that Gerwig did not deserve to be nominated. Well, considering that female-directed films have their actors nominated in the major acting categories, and one of them is even up for Best Picture, I’d say yes. Actors and films do not direct themselves. Oh I dunno, there are tonnes of mediocre films out there that have one really standout performance in them that make them and that get nominations, that doesn't mean they should get Best Picture or Director awards based on a single performance. I haven't seen Little Women but it hasn't been nominated for Director anywhere, so obviously the Oscar judges are not the only ones who think it didn't deserve it. Gerwig won the award for Best Director from the National Society of Film Critics. Most filmmakers would consider that a more prestigious honour than being nominated for a Golden Globe, which are voted on by a group of around 90 European journalists, not critics or filmmakers. Her film got two performances Oscar nominated and won or was nominated for a lot of ensemble awards over the course of the awards season, proving that it wasn't just the case of one standout performance. Greta Gerwig for Little Women, Olivia Wilde for Booksmart, Lorene Scafaria for Hustlers, Marielle Heller for A Beautiful Day In The Neighbourhood and Lulu Wang for The Farewell just off the top of my head. None of them better then the ones nominated. How many film versions have we had of Little Women? How many Scorsese films have we had about gangsters? How many Tarantino films have we had that follow the same type of structure as Once Upon a Time in Hollywood including the extreme violence? How many war films have we had? How many films featuring the character of the Joker have we had? Of the Best Director nominated films, only Parasite can really claim to be doing something that hasn't been done a million times before. --- People continue to (probably willingly) miss the point. This isn't about this year alone. This is about the larger scheme of things. Yesterday, 5 men were nominated for best director. In the last 92 years of the Oscars, 5 women have been nominated for best director. The same amount of men that were nominated for directing yesterday is the same amount of women that have been nominated in 92 years of Oscar history. There is no way that people can claim with a straight face that that is all down to merit and that there is no bias there. Of course there is. A quote from Gerwig, published two days before Oscar nominations: Two days later, five films featuring male violence are nominated for Best Director. She knows what she's talking about.
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