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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 27, 2021 22:14:40 GMT
Good luck to them if they are making millions off their own back. At least we are not paying for an accident of birth out of our pay checks anymore, like some others.
What they do with their lives is up to them, as long as we are not paying for it.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 28, 2021 8:54:26 GMT
Harry's sound.
He said he left the UK because the press intrusion was affecting him and his families mental health. Good luck to him, as a young father he's done what's right by his wife and family and for that he's got to be applauded.
Mental health doesn't give a care whether you're rich or poor or part of the family.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 28, 2021 9:47:20 GMT
The headlines they are generating now are far more negative than anything that was written before they decided to move to the US.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 28, 2021 12:51:29 GMT
Some people have very short memories. Or perhaps they just haven’t paid much attention in the past to the media’s treatment of Harry.
A reminder that he has hated the press for a long time before he even met his wife:
Some of the reasons why he hated them include - and this is just off the top of my head - 1) his parents divorce being treated like a soap opera 2) his mother being chased by papparazzi before dying in a car crash 3) said paparazzi taking pictures of her dying on the back seat of the car 4) said photos being sent to British newspapers for publication, because the paparazzi had working relationships with those newspapers 5) the negative feeding frenzy around his family in the aftermath of his mother’s death, which led to him being trotted out for public appearances while grieving his mother’s death 6) years of false stories and conspiracy theories about his dead mother 7) the tabloids hiring private investigators to identify, stalk, and hack into the phone of his teenage girlfriends 8) the tabloids hacking his mobile phone and his laptop, and publishing stories based on the material stolen from them 9) the tabloids publishing false stories about him that they claimed were based on interviews with his schoolfriends 10) the tabloids setting honey traps for him to try and catch him buying drugs 11) the tabloids claiming he had a drug problem - even though the honey traps failed and he was not using drugs 12) the tabloids turning a fancy dress costume into a front-page scandal 13) persistent untrue insinuations about his paternity 14) the tabloids plotting to steal his hair so they could test his DNA for a paternity test 15) the tabloids publishing pictures of him naked 16) the tabloids leaking details about his military service in Afghanistan, creating a security risk which meant it has to be cut short
And that’s all before Meghan came on the scene.
He had a very brief period where they were writing positive stories about the Invictus Games and his military service and charity work, but at the time that was happening they were also calling Kate Middleton a social climber and calling her and William lazy, so they were effectively playing positive coverage about him off against negative coverage of his brother. Because that is what they do with the Royals - they pit them against each other for public affection. Negative coverage of Harry’s supposed drug problem facilitated positive coverage of a publicity stunt with Charles taking him to visit a rehab centre. It has been noted by many that negative coverage of Meghan and Harry served as a distraction from far more serious news about Prince Andrew. It’s likely that many of the ‘sources’ for the petty negative stories about them are within the Royal Family PR team, as a deliberate media strategy to keep more serious negative stories of other members of the family away from the front pages.
It’s all a game to the tabloids - they don’t care what effect they have on the relationships and well-being of the people they target. In fact they are happy when people and relationships fall apart under the strain of it.
I personally cannot fathom why anyone would actively hope for someone else to be miserable and have their marriage break down, but it seems many here have a sadistic streak. No doubt that reflects why tabloid stories sell as well as they do.
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Post by poster J on Feb 28, 2021 13:31:38 GMT
kathryn I'm sorry but the tone of your last post is out of order. People are allowed to be critical and to have a different opinion than you. The only one throwing insults around here is you. You seem to think Harry and Meghan are saints and should be treated as such. That is your prerogative, but we don't all have to think the same. The vast majority of the criticism of them in the last couple of pages of this thread has been measured and reasoned, and there is no call for you to label us as sadists for daring to criticise. And frankly your viewpoint baffles me - it defies all logic that anyone who really hates the press as much as Harry should then decide to court them as much as he has. Pretty much none of what the press has published can or should be condoned, but that doesn't mean Harry's conduct in getting paid mega bucks to chat to Oprah and court the celebrity lifestyle has to be applauded either. He said he wanted privacy but he is actively seeking the opposite and choosing to share. He can't have his cake and eat it.
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 28, 2021 15:08:57 GMT
People forget what an entitled, privileged Pr**k he was as a younger man - the Swing Low rugger guy, the banging babes guy, the drink/drugs West End clubbing set ...the army eventually started to straighten him out. May have been the first time he spent time with real, normal people. Not the end of the world becasue many of us have embarrassing immature periods.
What I'm never sure about with him is whether he's just changed mentors again - the young man with his Bullingdon-type set, the responsible army/family/Invictus guy, the dutiful consort of queen Megan ... just don't know, though he does seem to respond to the ethic of the group he falls in with.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 28, 2021 17:05:02 GMT
I met H&M through their work with the mental health crisis support line SHOUT 85258. His commitment to that was genuine. So I do not doubt his sincerity on that topic.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 28, 2021 17:46:29 GMT
People forget what an entitled, privileged Pr**k he was as a younger man - the Swing Low rugger guy, the banging babes guy, the drink/drugs West End clubbing set ...the army eventually started to straighten him out. May have been the first time he spent time with real, normal people. Not the end of the world becasue many of us have embarrassing immature periods. What I'm never sure about with him is whether he's just changed mentors again - the young man with his Bullingdon-type set, the responsible army/family/Invictus guy, the dutiful consort of queen Megan ... just don't know, though he does seem to respond to the ethic of the group he falls in with. That's a bit harsh
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Post by theatreian on Mar 1, 2021 14:49:51 GMT
First look at the Oprah interview! Supposed to be shown here next Monday 8th.
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Post by marob on Mar 1, 2021 16:43:04 GMT
I know it’s only a promo piece but I hate the way the US networks edit any kind or factual or reality TV. It’s an interview with Oprah, but they’ve got music like Jack Bauer’s having a shootout against some terrorists. Ridiculous.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 1, 2021 18:59:16 GMT
“We don’t want to be in the media spotlight! What should we do?” ”Go on Oprah!” 🙄
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Mar 1, 2021 19:11:38 GMT
I know it’s only a promo piece but I hate the way the US networks edit any kind or factual or reality TV. It’s an interview with Oprah, but they’ve got music like Jack Bauer’s having a shootout against some terrorists. Ridiculous. If I was drinking tea, I would be spitting it out in laughter! The US networks can be a bit extra
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Post by Someone in a tree on Mar 1, 2021 20:07:08 GMT
“We don’t want to be in the media spotlight! What should we do?” ”Go on Oprah!” 🙄 The are full of contradictions but I find a lot of broken people are
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Mar 1, 2021 22:22:17 GMT
When have they ever said they don’t want to be in the spotlight?
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Post by princeton on Mar 1, 2021 22:40:04 GMT
The Mail Online, the paper which has for quite some time peddled the line that they are nothing more than publicity seekers and shouldn't be given the time of day, is currently running 11 different articles about them - all off the back of a 30 second trailer!!
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Post by jojo on Mar 2, 2021 7:39:38 GMT
It's all pretty depressing. The media have been pretty awful towards them (though worth noting that they were pretty mean towards Kate too), and I don't blame them for wanting to put a stop to it. It was inevitable there would be some push back to them suing those that didn't just cross a line, but jumped over it with glee, but I respected them for it.
I also think it's a shame that there couldn't be a way of letting them be minor royals that could work for everyone, or that the media couldn't get their heads around the idea of them turning up to public events, but not announcing details of a Christening. It was OK for them to release a photo to announce that Meghan is pregnant, whilst simultaneously taking action against a newspaper that published private letters etc.
I was watching a conversation on the news and one person made the very good point that it would have been better if we could get our heads around the idea of a much smaller group of senior Royals, while junior Royals have fairly normal lives most of the time, but still do some ceremonial stuff and turn up to the big events, which seems to be what happens in other European countries that still have royals. The suggestion was that it would be a good thing if a minor royal wanted to pursue a career and become an architect or teacher or doctor etc.
However, Harry and Meghan aren't wanting to take a break from Royal duties to work in any kind of regular profession, but their new jobs are, in practical terms, professional celebrities. They haven't been offered a deal with Netflix because of their documentary making skills, but because they are very, very famous and can get front page publicity for any project they support.
In that respect, I totally get the accusations of cakism. Their aim might be to stop taking any money from the royal fund (I'm not sure what it's actually called), but they are still relying on their royal credentials to do that.
But I don't blame them for it. I blame the media for both the terrible way they were treated, and then the melodramatic way in which every public statement is broadcast. The release of the trailer was treated as if it was a massive news story at a time when there is plenty of real news to be getting on with.
The reality is that the press are loving all of this. They love to be outraged, and they are just as happy when some of that is outrage at their own behaviour. It all generates clicks.
However, I don't buy into the idea that they are standing on their own two feet or whatever phrases are being pushed. It reminds me of one of the Kardashian children declaring herself the youngest ever "self-made" billionaire.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 4, 2021 7:26:50 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 4, 2021 12:57:38 GMT
This is nothing new. There were stories before the wedding that Meghan was being difficult and demanding.
We don't know the truth or otherwise behind any of this. But it is not the first time her behaviour has been called into question.
Yes, it might all be a smear campaign. But given how many times the Sussex couple have gone to court now, that would be risky.
So perhaps there is a kernel of truth in there. We just don't know.
The best thing would be for the press to actively ignore them. Not print stories based on their Instagram or twitter postings. Not review any of the shows they make. Nothing. They wanted to be left alone by the media. Let's see that happen.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 4, 2021 20:28:57 GMT
Very disappointed. I thought she was lovely at the start but now...?
If she slags off the Queen on Sunday (and when she talks about ‘the firm’ she means the Queen) then that will be bridges burnt. For both of them.
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 4, 2021 20:39:16 GMT
There were stories before the wedding that Meghan was being difficult and demanding. I was wondering if this might be a cultural difference... Hollywood personal assistants are (from what I've read) on duty 24 hours a day. Although presumably someone at the Palace explained to Meghan at the time that her behavior was unacceptable. Also, I was wondering why the Palace needs to make a public investigation into allegations made a year ago against someone who is no longer their responsibility (so making sure the situation isn't repeated can't be the purpose). Wouldn't HR matters generally be confidential?
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 4, 2021 21:06:37 GMT
Because the employer owes a legal duty of care to the employee - we don't know who left on what terms and exactly why but the bottom of the link is probably relevant:
Also, what was Harry doing while all that was, allegedly, going on.
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Mar 4, 2021 21:19:27 GMT
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Is anyone going to even mention how Prince Andrew has been brushed under the carpet?
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Post by londonpostie on Mar 4, 2021 21:37:05 GMT
Who by?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 5, 2021 9:04:58 GMT
... Is anyone going to even mention how Prince Andrew has been brushed under the carpet? Where else is he supposed to be? Metropolitan Detention Center, Brooklyn?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 5, 2021 9:06:25 GMT
I’m done with them. For Harry to sit there and just watch his wife - someone he’s known two minutes - essentially throw a public grenade like that shows all bets are off. The Palace are clearly not happy but they have no option really of doing it outside of leaks to the press - the family are not going to issue statements, do interviews or discuss what happened directly. But we know what they do and how they do it, when they have something to say. This is one of those times and it’s a game Meghan didn’t know how to play, and going on Oprah playing the victim and looking for sympathy shows she still hasn’t learnt. This isn’t going to be a narrative she can control and it’s going to eventually backfire hugely. What if he agrees with the comment?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 5, 2021 9:07:42 GMT
I’m done with them. For Harry to sit there and just watch his wife - someone he’s known two minutes - essentially throw a public grenade like that shows all bets are off. The Palace are clearly not happy but they have no option really of doing it outside of leaks to the press - the family are not going to issue statements, do interviews or discuss what happened directly. But we know what they do and how they do it, when they have something to say. This is one of those times and it’s a game Meghan didn’t know how to play, and going on Oprah playing the victim and looking for sympathy shows she still hasn’t learnt. This isn’t going to be a narrative she can control and it’s going to eventually backfire hugely. Does Harry know how to play the game? It was always going to be Harry wasn't it. It was written in prophecies
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Post by southstreet on Mar 5, 2021 9:33:48 GMT
I am so amused by all this faux outrage. I honestly don't give two hoots about the royal family, I think they are a ridiculous and outdated institution and nothing else than all other 'celebrities' that are famous not for any particular talent, but just for being famous. I know lots of people are totally into them, and that's fine but they are not for me. Even though being German, I should probably claim it as 'my' Royal Family, too.
I am highly amused at the timing of the 'investigation' into Meghan's alleged bullying, a few days before the huge interview being aired. Veeeeeery convenient.
I am not saying that she didn't bully anyone (she might well have) but until the family and this country properly deals with Andrew anything that Meghan might or might not have done really pales in comparison and takes every little ounce of integrity out of 'the firm'.
And I absolutely don't blame them for trying to get away from the British press, the blatant racism in their reporting of whatever Meghan did or wore (in direct comparison to coverage of Kate there is nobody who can tell me otherwise) and to be fair, I feel a lot of that came from the firm, using Meghan as canon fodder to distract from sh*t going on with Kate and William and obviously the whole Andrew saga.
I also love how this is all Meghan's fault, as if Harry is nothing but a limp sock puppet who doesn't have a mind of his own and doesn't know his family and how it operates. Would he really be walking away from the Royals if they have all been wonderful and supportive of him and his wife?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2021 10:29:04 GMT
No faux outrage here... I’m GENUINELY outraged! 😁 Anyway if a picture paints a thousand words etc.. it’s almost as if she knew what was coming isn’t it? 😉
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 5, 2021 12:17:28 GMT
No faux outrage here... I’m GENUINELY outraged! 😁 Anyway if a picture paints a thousand words etc.. it’s almost as if she knew what was coming isn’t it? 😉 Funny what different people take from the same photo....
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Post by sfsusan on Mar 5, 2021 12:39:53 GMT
Because the employer owes a legal duty of care to the employee - we don't know who left on what terms and exactly why but the bottom of the link is probably relevant: Yes, of course, there's a need for investigation... but why comment publicly on a personnel matter? And is the investigation in the course of a claim from the employee or in response to the Times article? I am highly amused at the timing of the 'investigation' into Meghan's alleged bullying, a few days before the huge interview being aired. Veeeeeery convenient. I agree, that makes the whole situation very suspicious. If the Palace knew about this two years ago, they either didn't investigate (why not?) or did investigate and know what happened. If they knew Meghan had done something wrong, would they protect her or throw her under the bus? (My vote would be 'under the bus'.) (Just to make my position clear, I think there is fault to go around. I don't blame Harry for wanting to bail on his public life [predicted, to bring in a theatrical connection, in 'King Charles III']. But he handled publicizing those discussions poorly, blindsiding the Queen, even if the media was about the break the story. And he and Meghan have made mis-steps since, which I suspect reflects the fact that they consider themselves 'celebrities' in their own right, unrelated to his connection to the royal family. Which I suspect they will quickly find out isn't correct. So in my opinion the initial situation wasn't Harry/Meghan's fault, but their flawed response to it is.)
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