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Post by londonpostie on Feb 23, 2023 19:58:17 GMT
Got to half-time and I thought this is marvellous; it built so well and a huge crescendo led us into the interval.
<< SPOILERS!!>>
Best I could see, at that point - points - we were, roughly, on the cusp of the miners strike (83-84), Tony Blair ('97) and the financial crisis (2007). Plus Pulp at Glasto. So we were all wondering what comes next. And, to an extent, I still am. There is so much to praise, though it's hard to not ponder 'what might have been's'. The very worst thing that could have happened is to have resorted to unearned sentimentality, esp. when the piece had gained so much strength from hard won sincere sentiment. It almost happened. I understand they wanted some arcs to end in particular ways (a) dying in the broken dream of a new Jerusalem (b) literally born and dying on the estate (c) a new 21st century status for the reborn city, etc. For sure, hard, hard arcs to reconcile. At the same time, I didn't see the depravation an unnamed female PM caused by choice in the 80s, I didn't see urban riots referenced, there was nothing on the coalition policy of Austerity - did see happy young professionals straight out of the expanded Uni demographic, plus the lure of the New World and an on-off gay romp between London and Sheffield. Perhaps the ref to Richard Curtis was self-deprecation. What facilitated the city to turn around / a Yuppy-influenced Renaissance. And at what cost. Where does a lone parent Liberian family move to? So near and yet so near. 5 Sean Bean's for the first half, 4 nibbling ferrets for the second. p.s. whoever chose (as the radio) a Roberts Revival DAB in Leaf green, I salute you.
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Post by londontg on Feb 24, 2023 15:26:48 GMT
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 24, 2023 15:56:01 GMT
Is Baz hinting at a transfer, or is he just speculating?
"...this show will have a long life on another stage following its limited run at the National."
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Post by Rory on Feb 24, 2023 16:35:04 GMT
Is Baz hinting at a transfer, or is he just speculating? "...this show will have a long life on another stage following its limited run at the National." Definitely looks like a transfer pointer. Nice to see Baz back with a column! I've missed him!
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 24, 2023 19:01:22 GMT
It's surely getting outstanding word-of-mouth. Deserves a West End run, imo.
Widespread dabbing of eyes in my row, and that was just the men.
Any thoughts on why the stage/estate structure was left as finished wood rather than have a concrete-like veneer?
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Post by Jon on Feb 24, 2023 19:05:34 GMT
I wonder where SATE could go in the West End as there's no theatre big enough at the moment to stage it in its current form.
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Post by Mark on Feb 24, 2023 19:14:47 GMT
I wonder where SATE could go in the West End as there's no theatre big enough at the moment to stage it in its current form. Was wondering this when watching. As it is, it needs a wide stage and all of those have booking or long runners. If they took away the stage left part of the set and re-orientated the backdrop it could potentially fit somewhere smaller. I’m sure lots of productions have transferred from the Olivier into smaller spaces successfully, and the same can be said of the opposite (remember London Road transferring from the tiny Dorfman to the Olivier).
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Post by Being Alive on Feb 24, 2023 19:14:49 GMT
The only space for it in it's currently for is the Gillian Lynne, but with some redesign it could work in virtually any house
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Post by Jon on Feb 24, 2023 19:26:33 GMT
I wonder where SATSE could go in the West End as there's no theatre big enough at the moment to stage it in its current form. Was wondering this when watching. As it is, it needs a wide stage and all of those have booking or long runners. If they took away the stage left part of the set and re-orientated the backdrop it could potentially fit somewhere smaller. I’m sure lots of productions have transferred from the Olivier into smaller spaces successfully, and the same can be said of the opposite (remember London Road transferring from the tiny Dorfman to the Olivier). With The Crucible transferring to the Gielgud, I think there is a chance for SATSE to transfer to a traditional WE house, Everybody's Talking About Jamie transferred from Sheffield to the WE with changes as well.
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 24, 2023 19:30:37 GMT
Newsies ends in April ... p.s don't know a thing about the Troubadour, except it's extremely handy for the North Circular.
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Post by Jon on Feb 24, 2023 19:38:30 GMT
Newsies ends in April ... p.s don't know a thing about the Troubadour, except it's extremely handy for the North Circular. Yeah, that's probably not going to happen.
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 24, 2023 19:39:47 GMT
Just putting it out there ..
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Post by Mark on Feb 24, 2023 20:22:52 GMT
Just putting it out there .. Newsies already extended to the end of July, and they’d be mad not to run it through atleast the end of the summer holidays.
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Post by ShoreditchTom on Feb 24, 2023 20:32:58 GMT
Barbican?
Regents Park OAT?
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Feb 24, 2023 21:30:45 GMT
Just putting it out there .. Newsies already extended to the end of July, and they’d be mad not to run it through atleast the end of the summer holidays. The National has played shows at troubadour venues before so it isn’t unforeseeable: but I expect they’ll adapt the set for a conventional west end space. Probably waiting for the Olivier noms.
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Post by shownut on Feb 24, 2023 21:54:28 GMT
I can’t see it transferring to a commercial house. Very expensive to move a show this size. I would imagine they will go the FOLLIES/LONDON ROAD route and keep it in-house with a remount in their next season.
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Post by Rory on Feb 24, 2023 22:01:41 GMT
I can’t see it transferring to a commercial house. Very expensive to move a show this size. I would imagine they will go the FOLLIES/LONDON ROAD route and keep it in-house with a remount in their next season. Another stage, says Baz. I think it will be a commercial West End house.
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Post by shownut on Feb 24, 2023 22:15:34 GMT
Another stage, says Baz. I think it will be a commercial West End house. I thought by stage he was referring to ‘next stage’ meaning the 4 part teleseries.
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Post by Rory on Feb 24, 2023 22:22:47 GMT
I thought by stage he was referring to ‘next stage’ meaning the 4 part teleseries. I don't think so.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 24, 2023 23:00:55 GMT
Is the production much bigger now compared to its Sheffield run ? Pie and Jamie happily transferred into normal size West end houses
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 25, 2023 14:33:57 GMT
As a 10-stone weakling, that's not very likely. You can get it on Amazon now, which is an abomination. But can you order it from the online supermarket Poppy uses? At the world-famous Crucible Theatre they were selling commemorative bottles, with all profits going to charity. There's a cheeky so-and-so selling one on Ebay for £10.99, plus £3.70 postage. Any thoughts on why the stage/estate structure was left as finished wood rather than have a concrete-like veneer? That shows the skill of the set builders, doesn't it. Like the National Theatre itself, shuttered concrete will be a mirror image of whatever formwork is used, which, in the case of Park Hill, was rough sawn wooden planks.
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 25, 2023 15:49:44 GMT
Any thoughts on why the stage/estate structure was left as finished wood rather than have a concrete-like veneer? That shows the skill of the set builders, doesn't it. Like the National Theatre itself, shuttered concrete will be a mirror image of whatever formwork is used, which, in the case of Park Hill, was rough sawn wooden planks. Surely the load-bearing pillars, lintels, etc, were the standard social housing 1960s concrete form?
Maybe my impression is off.
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Post by shownut on Feb 25, 2023 16:07:26 GMT
Well at least the concrete was interesting.
Too bad about the show. 😝
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 25, 2023 17:16:54 GMT
If, londonpostie, you're asking if Park Hill was system built, then the answer is no. The concrete was cast in-situ, by the Public Works Department. You'll just have to trust me. I even know the code for the car park! I have some close-up photos of the set somewhere, which I'll post if I can find the file they're in. (P.S. Those two links are the same.)
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Post by londonpostie on Feb 25, 2023 17:51:01 GMT
(P.S. Those two links are the same.) Thanks. This is what I meant to link to, and even here it looks concrete grey so I have no idea why it looked, to me, like polished walnut-ish veneer from my seat. An example at 0:50
Interesting to know Park Hill has a distinct construction history. I'll enjoy clicking around the internet tomorrow
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Post by theatrelover123 on Feb 25, 2023 18:02:36 GMT
Well at least the concrete was interesting. Too bad about the show. 😝 I don’t think I have ever seen a poster on here state how much they dislike a show, then repeat it, and repeat it, and repeat it. We get it. You didn’t like it! Others did. End of
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 25, 2023 18:52:59 GMT
Well at least the concrete was interesting. Too bad about the show. 😝 I don’t think I have ever seen a poster on here state how much they dislike a show, then repeat it, and repeat it, and repeat it. We get it. You didn’t like it! Others did. End of Members are allowed to counter positive comments with negative comments. It’s not a love fest. People are allowed to not like something even if the tide of opinion doesn’t agree. Let’s live and let live eh.
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Post by shownut on Feb 25, 2023 19:39:58 GMT
And even though this show was not for me I have often posted that I am glad if it is a hit. A win for the industry is great news no matter what I think of it.
I disagree with 90% of what has been posted on this thread but I am glad others are seeing something that brings them joy.
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Post by mrnutz on Feb 26, 2023 9:54:30 GMT
Saw this yesterday (Saturday night - and sat across the aisle from a very special celebrity guest*).
It's the best thing I've seen at the National in YEARS.
I loved everything about it - the set, the characters, the writing, the music, the performances, the stories, the casting.
For me, it was close to theatrical perfection.
*It was Tom Hanks - and he was wiping away tears with the rest of us.
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Post by colelarson on Feb 26, 2023 19:29:03 GMT
Saw the Matinee yesterday and was blown away,I had heard all the hype and wasn't sure....but now I understand why!
Was beautiful how the songs fit and the singing was glorious, great they have done a soundtrack.
I loved it so much I am thinking about booking again!
Agree with other people who have said about the "spoiler" at the end but still would give 5 stars.
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