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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Aug 16, 2018 9:36:48 GMT
Didn't La Cage Aux Folles flop at the Palladium in the early eighties? 301 performances, so about a quarter of the Broadway run.
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Post by Oleanna on Aug 21, 2018 21:59:08 GMT
leicestersquaretheatre.ticketsolve.com/shows/873592893FLOP! Hit Songs from Musical Misfires! A host of West End performers present the greatest songs from the West End’s biggest flops, ranging from the downright bizarre and outrageous (The Hunting of the Snark; Moby Dick) via Broadway hits which never took off in London (City of Angels; Spring Awakening) to the less successful side of the world’s most successful composer. Presented by Michael Robert-Lowe, and with musical direction by David George Harrington, “Flop!” features performances from Gerard Carey (Half a Sixpence; Mary Poppins), Luke McCall (Les Misérables; The Phantom of the Opera), Katy Treharne (The Phantom of the Opera; Dear World) Eric Hallengren (Bat Out of Hell; American Idiot), Phil Lee-Thomas (Brief Encounter; Magic of the Musicals), Rebecca Foley (Alice Fearn: Where I’ve Been and Where I’m Going; Merrily We Roll Along) and very special guest Rosemary Ashe, who will reprise the role of Felicia Gabriel from The Witches of Eastwick, performing the showstopper “Evil”!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 22:30:07 GMT
leicestersquaretheatre.ticketsolve.com/shows/873592893FLOP! Hit Songs from Musical Misfires! A host of West End performers present the greatest songs from the West End’s biggest flops, ranging from the downright bizarre and outrageous (The Hunting of the Snark; Moby Dick) via Broadway hits which never took off in London (City of Angels; Spring Awakening) to the less successful side of the world’s most successful composer. Presented by Michael Robert-Lowe, and with musical direction by David George Harrington, “Flop!” features performances from Gerard Carey (Half a Sixpence; Mary Poppins), Luke McCall (Les Misérables; The Phantom of the Opera), Katy Treharne (The Phantom of the Opera; Dear World) Eric Hallengren (Bat Out of Hell; American Idiot), Phil Lee-Thomas (Brief Encounter; Magic of the Musicals), Rebecca Foley (Alice Fearn: Where I’ve Been and Where I’m Going; Merrily We Roll Along) and very special guest Rosemary Ashe, who will reprise the role of Felicia Gabriel from The Witches of Eastwick, performing the showstopper “Evil”! Thanks for the heads up! I've booked.
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Post by Oleanna on Aug 21, 2018 22:37:39 GMT
Thanks for the heads up! I've booked. It had me at Rosemary Ashe!
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Post by danb on Aug 22, 2018 5:10:35 GMT
CLYDE!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by SageStageMgr on Aug 22, 2018 15:24:28 GMT
The Far Pavilions - it made Hadley Fraser what he is today!
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Post by Xanderl on Feb 24, 2019 16:28:30 GMT
1991 Children of Eden Hunting of the Snark Matador The BBCFour Top of the Pops repeats have got round to 1987, and Tom Jones is having a massive hit with the original recording of "The Boy from Nowhere" from Matador. Surprised the West End run (with Barrowman rather than Tom I believe?) was so much later. Anyway this is a great tune and check out Tom's strong manspreading game in the video!
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Post by sf on Feb 24, 2019 16:35:32 GMT
Surprised the West End run (with Barrowman rather than Tom I believe?) was so much later. Barrowman got one of the all-time great snarky reviews for Matador, I think from Sheridan Morley in the International Herald Tribune: "John Barrowman played the Matador and lost."
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Post by musicallady on Feb 24, 2019 19:48:20 GMT
1991 Children of Eden Hunting of the Snark Matador The BBCFour Top of the Pops repeats have got round to 1987, and Tom Jones is having a massive hit with the original recording of "The Boy from Nowhere" from Matador. Surprised the West End run (with Barrowman rather than Tom I believe?) was so much later. Anyway this is a great tune and check out Tom's strong manspreading game in the video!
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Post by musicallady on Feb 24, 2019 19:51:59 GMT
The BBCFour Top of the Pops repeats have got round to 1987, and Tom Jones is having a massive hit with the original recording of "The Boy from Nowhere" from Matador. Surprised the West End run (with Barrowman rather than Tom I believe?) was so much later. Anyway this is a great tune and check out Tom's strong manspreading game in the video! I saw Matador countless times and loved it. When I went to see Children Of Eden I passed a couple leaving the theatre after the matinee. “You’ll need a flask, sandwiches and a sleeping bag.” She said.
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Post by duncan on Mar 4, 2019 15:15:11 GMT
Surprised the West End run (with Barrowman rather than Tom I believe?) was so much later. Barrowman got one of the all-time great snarky reviews for Matador, I think from Sheridan Morley in the International Herald Tribune: "John Barrowman played the Matador and lost." ...and from another forum, where we have been discussing how bland and forgettable that Tom Jones song is someone posted this news report - Its fair to say Barrowman has aged well, he looks terrible in that clip. Leslie Grantham in a Casblanca themed musical, I have no idea how that actually lasted 4 weeks!!!! As I would say, there is no such thing as a recession in Theatreland - only overpriced shows and terrible shows that keep the punters at home.
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Post by Xanderl on Mar 4, 2019 15:57:31 GMT
Interesting clip! It appears "Rick's Bar Casablanca" wasn't a musical, it was a production of the original stage play "Everybody Comes to Rick's" which Casablanca was based on. It may actually have been the world premiere of the play as the play was unproduced when it was bought and turned into the film en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Comes_to_Rick%27s
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Post by duncan on Mar 4, 2019 16:01:18 GMT
Ah, interesting. On a hiding to nothing however it went by thinking Grantham could fill the shoes of Bogart.
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Post by learfan on Mar 4, 2019 17:53:56 GMT
Interesting clip! It appears "Rick's Bar Casablanca" wasn't a musical, it was a production of the original stage play "Everybody Comes to Rick's" which Casablanca was based on. It may actually have been the world premiere of the play as the play was unproduced when it was bought and turned into the film en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Comes_to_Rick%27sI remember this being on and yes it was a production of the original play. Doomed from the start of course!
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Post by Xanderl on Mar 4, 2019 18:36:51 GMT
Wasn't it, if not the last, then one of the last, things to play at the Whitehall Theatre before it became the Trafalgar Studios? The Trafalgar Studios opened in 2004 I think? But it might have been one of the last shows before the Whitehall turned into a TV studio for a while. After that period it was a single stage theatre for a while again, before the transformation into the Trafalgar Studios.
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Post by horton on Mar 5, 2019 14:19:52 GMT
You are making me reminisce about the old days!
To me, they will always be The Whitehall, Strand, Albery and Comedy!
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Post by northernhomo on Mar 5, 2019 19:39:59 GMT
Are we classing Love Never Dies as a flop? Each and every time I saw it it was beautiful. And yet different from the last previous time.
A behind the scenes doc on that show would have been brilliant watching.
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Post by drowseychap on Mar 6, 2019 1:32:23 GMT
Love never dies was and is a favourite of mine .... some of my most enjoyable nights in the west end were at so called flops .... the goodbye girl .... but then went on U.K. tour to packed houses ...... stepping out .... the drowse chaperone which was fantastic...
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Post by Fleance on Mar 6, 2019 2:51:50 GMT
Has anyone seen Mandragola at the National back in the 1980s? Songs by Howard Goodall. It was a musical based on Machiavelli's The Mandrake Root. It was the only time I saw people called down from the Olivier balcony, to sit in the almost-empty stalls. Pretty awful, but so bad it was fun.
Flops I've enjoyed: Stephen Ward, The Go-Between, Moby Dick.
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Post by Oleanna on Mar 6, 2019 3:02:59 GMT
Has anyone seen Mandragola at the National back in the 1980s? Songs by Howard Goodall. It was a musical based on Machiavelli's The Mandrake Root. It was the only time I saw people called down from the Olivier balcony, to sit in the almost-empty stalls. Pretty awful, but so bad it was fun. Flops I've enjoyed: Stephen Ward, The Go-Between, Moby Dick.
The Go-Between played a limited engagement, and, therefore, cannot be classed as a flop.
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Post by Fleance on Mar 6, 2019 3:06:29 GMT
Has anyone seen Mandragola at the National back in the 1980s? Songs by Howard Goodall. It was a musical based on Machiavelli's The Mandrake Root. It was the only time I saw people called down from the Olivier balcony, to sit in the almost-empty stalls. Pretty awful, but so bad it was fun. Flops I've enjoyed: Stephen Ward, The Go-Between, Moby Dick.
The Go-Between played a limited engagement, and, therefore, cannot be classed as a flop. Thanks. It was selling so badly, that I got the best deal ever from the TKTS kiosk. Way more than 50% off. I guess Mandragola wasn't technically a flop either, since it was in rep for a limited time.
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Post by Oleanna on Mar 6, 2019 3:10:34 GMT
The Go-Between played a limited engagement, and, therefore, cannot be classed as a flop. Thanks. It was selling so badly, that I got the best deal ever from the TKTS kiosk. Way more than 50% off. I guess Mandragola wasn't technically a flop either, since it was in rep for a limited time. It seems very possible that The Go-Between didn’t recoup its investment, and, therefore, would have been a financial flop, but since this information is not made public in the West End... For what it’s worth, I absolutely adored The Go-Between. Wish it had been around for longer so that I could have seen it a few times.
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Post by Fleance on Mar 6, 2019 3:13:16 GMT
Thanks. It was selling so badly, that I got the best deal ever from the TKTS kiosk. Way more than 50% off. I guess Mandragola wasn't technically a flop either, since it was in rep for a limited time. It seems very possible that The Go-Between didn’t recoup its investment, and, therefore, would have been a financial flop, but since this information is not made public in the West End... For what it’s worth, I absolutely adored The Go-Between. Wish it had been around for longer so that I could have seen it a few times. It was lovely and deeply moving. I'm so glad I went.
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Post by distantcousin on Mar 6, 2019 8:15:17 GMT
Wasn't it, if not the last, then one of the last, things to play at the Whitehall Theatre before it became the Trafalgar Studios? The Trafalgar Studios opened in 2004 I think? But it might have been one of the last shows before the Whitehall turned into a TV studio for a while. After that period it was a single stage theatre for a while again, before the transformation into the Trafalgar Studios.
Certainly in the second half of the 90's, it was a TV studio. Channel 5 used to show Live with Jack Docherty (or a similar) live, or as live from the Whitehall during weeknights.
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Post by horton on Mar 6, 2019 17:53:23 GMT
Moby Dick didn't actually lose very much money in the end- certainly not by today's standards and nowhere near Martin Guerre or Witches of Eastwick.
I forgot to mention I adored the extravagance (and wrap-around starcloth) of The Hunting of the Snark and laughed hysterically through Which Witch.
Many enjoyed Metropolis but for me it dragged.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 19:04:51 GMT
Are we classing Love Never Dies as a flop? Each and every time I saw it it was beautiful. And yet different from the last previous time. A behind the scenes doc on that show would have been brilliant watching. Poor old Love Never Dies - I loved it (and much prefer the London version to the Sydney version much of which I found visually unappealing). Some of ALW's best music lost in a) an odd plot and concept and b) the fact that sung through lush romantic musicals just aren't on trend currently. I don't think we can underestimate b) and wonder had it been launched in the Aspects of Love/Sunset era could it have done much better. Re: technically a flop I'd guess not. It survived well beyond a cast change which is usually (though not always) a barometer that something has recouped. Was also pretty full most times I went.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 7, 2019 0:04:07 GMT
Which Witch was something special - one of the very greatest of all dreadful musicals.
I remember seeing it on a two show day - but had to check what the other show was - and it turns out that it was Kiss of the Spiderwoman
Quite a contrast in terms of quality - though Spiderwoman should have had a longer run than 390 performances.
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Post by horton on Mar 7, 2019 7:43:42 GMT
"spectacular lewdness" What a great phrase!
And it reminds me of a real lost treasure. I loved 'Budgie' and still listen to my treasured CD often.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:35:29 GMT
"spectacular lewdness" What a great phrase! And it reminds me of a real lost treasure. I loved 'Budgie' and still listen to my treasured CD often. I loved Budgie too! it's got some great stuff in it, especially Mary, Doris and Jane and of course, In One Of My Weaker Moments. There was talk on here ages ago about a reading of a revised version but haven't heard anything since.
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Post by Xanderl on Mar 7, 2019 13:01:00 GMT
Never saw Budgie although I loved the TV series. Seemed very odd at the time that Adam Faith was playing the lead as he was about 20 years older than he was when the series was made. Or did the musical have Budgie as an older man? (edited to add - I see from this - www.guidetomusicaltheatre.com/shows_b/budgie.htm - that it was set in the late 60s so I guess not). Maybe Adam should have played Charlie Endell.
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